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Can psychological/emotional trauma be severe enough to deaden physical pain ~100%?
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| Akridrot |
This is a serious inquiry that I've been thinking about. I'm not absolutely sure if this is the case, but I've been thinking that while it might seem as if physical pain can go to extreme depths (smashed with boulders, jackhammer on your genitals), I am not sure if pyschological or emotional trauma can be so extreme, so incomprehensibly severe that even if fatal or grave physical injuries were inflicted on a person in that state that the pain would essentially be meaningless as if they were given anesthesia.
Then I thought, would someone need to have a psychological or emotional connection that was more pronounced than the average person? Think of a psychological or emotion to something that pronounced as the equivalent of an actual limb. A connection to a loved one or a pet that is so strong that if you were witness that loved one or pet being hurt, your empathy would be far, far, far higher than someone who didn't have loved ones or pets.
But then I was thinking, does the state of consciousness mean that we all have some kind of mechanism that could be severed even if we are consciously unaware of it? Meaning, could someone dig up or even create a psychological or emotional object (even involuntarily, with your complete resistance) and then use it to cause you psychological / emotional pain that could rival or surpass almost any kind of physical injury you could ever experience?
Imagine someone with no family ties, no pets, no hobbies, no real interests. Just a dude who wastes his life all day long doing bull then going to his boring ass job and repeating. Someone with no real life. What the hell would be the equivalent to a psychological or emotional gunshot wound to a person like this? Does it exist? Could it be created or not?
This is a complex issue and I'm thinking about deeply. On one hand I'm thinking that the body has 3 (or more) axes of pain and once you go as far as you can go on one axis, there is no point or even any ability to go far on another axis because the mind is utterly overloaded. If you smashed someone's lower body under a car their mind wouldn't even be able to register the additional fact that their family is dying a few feet away. Their mind is dazed, it's in shock. I think that's the definition of shock, no matter how it's given... it's like stuffing a path so full of information that there's no way to get any other useful information to the brain whether via pain or pleasure or whatever. |
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| Akridrot |
I'm supposing that if you could fully convince someone of something by messing with their reality you could possibly do this. Like, if you could make someone actually believe that they were trapped forever in a room with no walls or no doors forever and that they were dying of intense physical pain, even if they were in no danger whatsoever. Perhaps permanent psychosis is the equivalent of physical death? You can't reverse the utter destruction to the person's mental capacity. They are essentially dead but with the ability to breathe and piss and defecate. That's it.
But it can't be creating the environment alone that causes the mental pain. It would have to be altering the person's ability to truly believe that they are in danger or that they are trapped forever or to change their perception of time. Some people, if you told them that they were going to die in a prison wouldn't freak out, they'd just stay quiet and wait to die.
You would have to have to ability to alter the very quality that decides if someone is going to freak out and lose their ing mind over a tiny death threat from a harmless person or if they're not going to flinch even with a firing squad in front of them. There has to be some kind of switch that controls people's panic response.
Panic attacks are extremely painful in the mental sense. They are some of the worst experiences a person can undergo. Many would rather be kicked in the face than to experience a panic attack for 30 minutes.
Hmmm. What if there was some chemical or stimulus that could flip this switch on and off? What would it be? How easily could it be used to give someone panic attacks at will?
If this were invented, it would be the equivalent of a psychological taser that could hurt you far more than real tasers ever could. What could this possibly be. In what form would it exist? |
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| Akridrot |
Infrasound is a phenomena that affects the human mind even though we don't consciously perceive it:
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Infrasonic vibrations, though harmful, can be pleasantly stimulating in mild levels. The effects of brief, mild exposure can give a feeling of invigoration for hours. While a person may FEEL invigorated and euphoric, his body is being subjected to an elevated heart rate, elevated blood pressure, a release of endorphins, and the "fight or flight" adrenaline response. Feeling the effects of high-intensity/low-frequency sound can actually become an addiction, partially due to the release of endorphins in the body.
Depending on the pitch, infrasound can cause physical pressure, fear, disorientation, negative physical and mental symptoms, explode matter, incapacitate, and kill. For example, in World War II, Nazi propaganda engineers used infrasound to stir up anger in the large crowds that had gathered to hear Hitler. The result was a nation filled with anger and hatred.
Studies show the different ways in which infrasound affects the human body. As infrasound pitches, or cycles per second, decrease, deadly effects on the body increase. Infrasound disrupts the normal functioning of the middle and inner ear, leading to nausea, imbalance, impaired equilibrium, immobilization, and disorientation. Exposure to even mild doses of infrasound can lead to illness. Increased intensities of infrasound can result in death.
These are a few examples of low frequency (below 500 Hz) and infrasound (below 20 Hz.) levels and their effects: |
http://www.lowertheboom.org/trice/infrasound.htm
There is probably some kind of frequency that could be used to make a person feel as if they are being ripped apart mentally. A frequency or quality that would turn a grown man into a crying baby unable to do anything but writhe in mental pain the second it is turned on and aimed at him. I must know what this quality is.
I wish I had this kind of device. I could probably invent it if I knew enough theory. |
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| Slylee |
i would seriously like to meet you.
i mean in a safe setting with bullet proof glass or you in a straight jacket type of thing. |
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| Silky Johnson |
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| LoveHate |
| quote: | Originally posted by Akridrot
I'm supposing that if you could fully convince someone of something by messing with their reality you could possibly do this. Like, if you could make someone actually believe that they were trapped forever in a room with no walls or no doors forever and that they were dying of intense physical pain, even if they were in no danger whatsoever. Perhaps permanent psychosis is the equivalent of physical death? You can't reverse the utter destruction to the person's mental capacity. They are essentially dead but with the ability to breathe and piss and defecate. That's it.
But it can't be creating the environment alone that causes the mental pain. It would have to be altering the person's ability to truly believe that they are in danger or that they are trapped forever or to change their perception of time. Some people, if you told them that they were going to die in a prison wouldn't freak out, they'd just stay quiet and wait to die.
You would have to have to ability to alter the very quality that decides if someone is going to freak out and lose their ing mind over a tiny death threat from a harmless person or if they're not going to flinch even with a firing squad in front of them. There has to be some kind of switch that controls people's panic response.
Panic attacks are extremely painful in the mental sense. They are some of the worst experiences a person can undergo. Many would rather be kicked in the face than to experience a panic attack for 30 minutes.
Hmmm. What if there was some chemical or stimulus that could flip this switch on and off? What would it be? How easily could it be used to give someone panic attacks at will?
If this were invented, it would be the equivalent of a psychological taser that could hurt you far more than real tasers ever could. What could this possibly be. In what form would it exist? |
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