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During tonight's event, Obama was heckled by a shockingly disrespectful lawmaker who shouted, "You lie!" in the middle of the president's speech. And that wasn't the only episode intended to humiliate and embarass. Republicans burst into audible laughter/ridicule at several points during the speech.

Later, Rahm Emanuel approached the lawmakers to ask who had embarassed the President. When told it was R.-S.C. Wilson, Emanuel said,

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�No president ever has been treated like that, ever,� Mr. Emanuel told reporters.

Who has ever heckled and humiliated a US president like that?

I fear that the answer has to do with race. As much as it pains me to say it, a white Congressman feels less restrained in publicly shouting down a President (with a capital "P") if that person's skin color is black.

Think about it: would this ever happen if the President was white? Would people act a little more restrained?

Eh, I don't think it has anything to do with race. The Republicans don't have a very deep bench right now, and there are a couple of real degenerates in the House at the moment.

That shocked the hell out of me. Even at my highest disdain for Bush, I would never dare do something like that. is wrong with him?

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Originally posted by Scottaculous That shocked the hell out of me. Even at my highest disdain for Bush, I would never dare do something like that. is wrong with him?

Because Bush is white

white people are respected, while black people, unfortunately, not so much. Not so much especially if you're from the South.

If you thought the birthers, deathers, and Nazi-comparers weren't enough, this is what else the Republican party has to offer. Amazing that this is happening in the US, until recently one of the most civil and polite societies in the world.

BTW: how would you react if someone personally insulted you, by saying directly to your face: "You lie"? Say, on the street, at work, or in school? This actually happened to me once in the workplace. A colleague verbally assaulted me in a direct way. I really felt myself losing control and a fight could easily have escalated. This is a very dangerous thing to say to a person's face.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd until recently one of the most civil and polite societies in the world.

only the rude, loud & obnoxious ones must visit australia then

i'm not as quick to play the race card. i'm not defending him but there can be any number of motivations to be that insolent.

you're right though. in earlier times, such a charge would be fighting words.

edit: the crazy, yet predictable, part of it all is, according to factcheck.org, the president didn't lie. (source) wilson, way to embarrass your state, party, and country. u mad?

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd I fear that the answer has to do with race. As much as it pains me to say it, a white Congressman feels less restrained in publicly shouting down a President (with a capital "P") if that person's skin color is black. Think about it: would this ever happen if the President was white? Would people act a little more restrained?

First, let me start by saying what that SC representative did was stupid and I don't agree at all calling shit out like that (even though he was right- Obama was lying that illegal immigrants won't be covered). He issued an apology already, but that doesn't excuse the disrespect.

BUT... It is beyond sickening to see how much the Left is crying "racism" now about everything. It's not possible for anyone to disagree with Obama's policies without it being about race? Grow the fuck up! It's constantly the Democrats that are injecting race into things, not Republicans. Racism was the reason Obama's Harvard buddy was arrested. White angst, claims Charlie Rangel, is to blame for him getting busted by the IRS for his tax evasion. Racism, as Governor Patterson of NY claims, is the reason for his deep unpopularity... not his awful political skills. Racists in the right wing are upset because poor people are about to be helped, says Jerimiah Wright (from his golf course mansion?). Americans are cowards about discussions of race, says attorney general Eric Holder. Green Jobs czar Van Jones claims he was done in by a smear campaign. Paul Krugman says racist motives are at the heart of Obamacare opposition. Black journalist Cynthia Tucker says 45-65% of Americans who protest are racists. The guy who made the Obama as the Joker posters was a racist (until it was uncovered he was Middle Eastern and a Dennis Kucinich supporter... shhhh). Black MSNBC anchor (forgot his name) says "socialist" is really a code word for the "N" word. Black CA Democrat Rep. Diane Watson said the GOP doesn't want to support Obamacare because "he looks like me," and then went on to praise Fidel Castro's leadership (this is the same woman to referrs to D.C. as "Chocolate City" and blasted Ward Connerly for marrying a white woman).

As very nicely stated by professor Victor Davis Hanson:

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What we are seeing is a very unfortunate turn of events in which racism is now the guaranteed retreat position once many prominent African-American elites find themselves in controversy. The problem is that the rest of the population of all races and classes looks at this privileged cohort and does not really detect bias or ill-treatment in their past or present circumstances, but rather remarkable tolerance and race-blind attitudes, as exemplified by their career successes.

What's cowardly is turning to racism at every dissent. Fucking pathetic.

I agree racism has nothing to do with the issues. Republicans aren't angry for racist reasons, I'll buy that.

But we're not talking about the issues here, we're talking about respect and decorum. I contend that, all else being equal, a white person gets more respect than a black person. And someone who would restrain themselves in addressing a white person is likely to feel less so when addressing a black person.

Look, I remember how Bush was also heckled by the Democrats during the war. But if you remember, he was always given a polite forum in this country. Even liberals showed respect for the office of the presidency at that time.

This is the first time in my life I bring up racism. I've never done it before, when talking about this President. But my hunch is that, just like tall people "tower over" shorter people and feel entitled to act slightly superior to them, so do lighter-skinned people subconsciously feel superior to darker-skinned people and feel as if they can "loosen up" a bit. This is a very well documented phenomenon.

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Originally posted by The17sss First, let me start by saying what that SC representative did was stupid and I don't agree at all calling shit out like that (even though he was right- Obama was lying that illegal immigrants won't be covered). He issued an apology already, but that doesn't excuse the disrespect.

So we're clear, Wilson said Obama lied about his health plan not covering illegal immigrants.

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One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we�ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They�re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage: quote: H.R. 3200: Sec 246 � NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/se...ut-health-care/

What's your argument?



P.S. There is an actual rule of Republicans to be more civil.

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it is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the President, such as referring to him as a �hypocrite� or a �liar.�

http://rules-republicans.house.gov/Educational/Read.aspx?ID=5

I don't think it's because he's black.

I think it's because the Republicans have no leader. The more childish members of the party have no one to whip them into shape when they step out of line, so they feel like they can do and say anything.

It could also be because Obama is very young, and old people don't respect younger people.

But don't run around looking at race as the be-all end-all reason for every disrespectful thing said to the President. That's just stupid.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous So we're clear, Wilson said Obama lied about his health plan not covering illegal immigrants. What's your argument?

Simple... the report by the Congressional Research Service from the other day. Evidently, their reports do not get released to the public and give private analysis to Congress on request. But David Freddoso of the San Francisco Examiner got his hands on a copy and shared it with Mark Tapscott from the Wash. Examiner, and exposed Obama's lie.... which is that although it doesn't specifically say illegals will be covered, it certainly (and purposefully) does not prevent them from obtaining it. Read on:

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Under H.R. 3200, a �Health Insurance Exchange� would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option. H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens�whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently�participating in the Exchange. In its subsection on health insurance subsidies (known as �affordability credits�), HR 3200 does state, �Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.� That would seem to solve the problem, but it�s more rhetoric than reality. The bill contains no verification requirement or enforcement process for citizenship or legal residency, as exists for other federal benefit programs. The only verification required for the subsidies pertains to family income. Beyond that, as the CRS report notes, everything is left in the hands of the Health Choices Commissioner. House Democrats defeated all attempts in committee to add an enforcement mechanism that would require proof of citizenship or legal residency for those getting subsidies. CRS also notes that �undocumented aliens� who have a �substantial presence� in the US would be required to buy health insurance (page 4) through the exchanges in HR3200. They would also become eligible for �emergency Medicaid,� although not normal Medicaid (page 6) for up to five years.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...--55021087.html

Or you can read the actual 11 page CRS report here:
http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/noncitizens.pdf


Lie exposed.

Edit: It's also precarious that he's now using the figure "30 million uninisured" when he's been saying 46/47 million up to this point. Could that be so he can try and claim illegals won't be covered now (rhetorical question)?

I'm not so sure that I'd play the race card on this one either. It's close though, with dipshit being from South Carolina.

However, I think it's probably just a stunt to grab the talking points away from the speech itself. Hell, I've been awake for all of 20 minutes and turned on the computer, and this news was the headline, and not the content of the speech.

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Originally posted by pmoisse It's close though, with dipshit being from South Carolina.

haha... lots of mouth-breathers in the Carolinas man. I'm surrounded by them.

The fuck does a lunatic congressman interrupting during a speech have to do with race? What, cuz Obama's BLACK? So basically anyone criticizing the president, it's because he's black, not because they disagree with his policies.

It was wrong, but I loved Pelosi's reaction. Like a grandmother in church..."Who said that?!?!?"

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Originally posted by The17sss What's cowardly is turning to racism at every dissent. Fucking pathetic.

It really doesn't take much to provoke a rant from you, does it? One person in a thread speculates about race and four people say it isn't a factor and you throw a tizzy about how the "Left" only has a race card and nothing else to play? You seriously need to take a deep breath sometimes.

Furthermore, the rules on illegals aren't actually changing. Under the current Republican-approved situation, illegals are able to purchase insurance from private companies willing to dispense it. You think these private corporations are going to say no to a paying policy-holder?

What the H.R. 3020 does is explicitly prohibits the use of federal funds to subsidize the insurance plans of illegals. You're right - it doesn't prevent them from purchasing private policies legally.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN only the rude, loud & obnoxious ones must visit australia then

ignoring the ironic statement....


compared to politics in other parts of the world, e.g., britian, where the prime minister is heckled by members of parliament on a weekly basis, US politics is very formalistic and traditional.

hey, you don't know that im loud!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Furthermore, the rules on illegals aren't actually changing. Under the current Republican-approved situation, illegals are able to purchase insurance from private companies willing to dispense it. You think these private corporations are going to say no to a paying policy-holder? What the H.R. 3020 does is explicitly prohibits the use of federal funds to subsidize the insurance plans of illegals. You're right - it doesn't prevent them from purchasing private policies legally.

This is the correct answer to the argument.

As far as the topic is concerned, this isn't a matter of race, this is a matter of the Republicans refusing to compromise on any health care bill. They will oppose Obama and the Democrats at any cost, even if it means humiliating themselves in front of the entire country.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN hey, you don't know that im loud!

finally a non-american admits to being rude and obnoxious?

I guess an interesting question to pose (not defending Wilson by any means) is, if/since no illegals will be covered by any reform, why are the 10-12 million uninsured illegals included in the 47M uninsured number that gets thrown out there?

Either we are to believe that a) they will be "legalized" by the time significant reform is passed, or b) perhaps this plan won't need to cost as much as advertised, or c) ??? Hellifiknow.

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Originally posted by Shakka I guess an interesting question to pose (not defending Wilson by any means) is, if/since no illegals will be covered by any reform, why are the 10-12 million uninsured illegals included in the 47M uninsured number that gets thrown out there?

I suppose since they live here anyways, we will include them, but under no circumstances will they be covered by any Federal Health Insurance.

http://factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-...ut-health-care/

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we�ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They�re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

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H.R. 3200: Sec 246 � NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don�t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don�t offer it.

So Joe Wilson made an ass out of himself for no reason. Wouldn't be the first time a Republican did that.

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Originally posted by Spam It could also be because Obama is very young, and old people don't respect younger people.

that actually crossed my mind as well. So it's either age or race.

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