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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Alright, Here goes one more time, hope is the last. I changed from A major scale to f-Major. I changed the breakdown melody. Took out a note in the pads so that they are in key with the choirs. I changed the first two leads to F and i guess thats almost it. If you spot any errors let me know and i'll give it the fix.

Well I like it very much dude, but it's on here for opinions I guess so I will give mine :-)

3:28 when the strings/choir or whatever comes in, i hear you alternating G, F, G, F etc etc, to me it would sound better holding the F and alternating a C, A, C, A above it. There seem to be some conflicting main notes in each of the different elements, very subtle I know but noticeable.

I like the uplifting bassline, have been meaning to do something like this myself

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Originally posted by Wayn0 Opinions appreciated, never really put anything out there! (Due to the lack of mastering lol I would request that this is listened to with headphones for now lol) https://soundcloud.com/wayn0/basstry

Srry I didn't think my opinion would be much value since i have little skill on theory. Sounds groovy, nice bass, good kick. I like the intro lead at 0:20

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Originally posted by Wayn0 Well I like it very much dude, but it's on here for opinions I guess so I will give mine :-) 3:28 when the strings/choir or whatever comes in, i hear you alternating G, F, G, F etc etc, to me it would sound better holding the F and alternating a C, A, C, A above it. There seem to be some conflicting main notes in each of the different elements, very subtle I know but noticeable. I like the uplifting bassline, have been meaning to do something like this myself

Can you tell me at what point you hear the conflicting notes. I'm trying to train my ear for melodies. Thank you man, I appreciate it.

i See Darek removed his track well i thought it was quite refreshing and innovative in terms of structure, the sounds used were a bit common and maybe i'd take the chance to make something more risky and innovative but not really big issues here.

@Wayn0 i see you are good with melodies, the track has the potential, i don't know what do you expect of this track. I generally make club music with deep bass and hard kicks maybe you expect something different but right now as it is it's a good idea that it's not developed in an effective way. You need a present bass to give the groove and some shakers/hat lines, i like the sounds you have used but if you want it to make danceable synths should be "bigger" if you know what i mean. Track at this point it's a pleasurable listen but that's it if you wish people to listen calmly at home then i'd use a different and softer kick to let the melodical parts breathe and have more space.

@Juan Paulino: Melodically sounds better, the first part it's not bad, i don't like that much breakdown onwards i think you should forget about this track and move to something else this tune is quite flat and i've heard better stuff from you, you seem stuck and i've been on this point several times, it's better to throw the project to the trash bin or leave it and don't think of it like XX hours wasted but, simply as a training, i think this track will never be good, you are ofuscated and are treating some elements like core things when you should indeed delete them and forget about it.

Start a new project this will harm you more than would benefit.

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About my new track i think bass is quite heavy i still have not played it loud but guess should be effective well who knows...

About the keys: Bass is in C#m combined with an E Major which should sound fine theoretically. The note you talk about it's indeed a percussion which should be harmonically neutral but well maybe it's playing atonal for me sounds ok.

"Melodies" are simple as i said i make club music this is indeed maybe too melodical, i see you are more trance minded, i understand you miss something but this should be fine without any real melodies for the audience this is oriented.

Thank you for your opinion will try it and see anyway

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Can you tell me at what point you hear the conflicting notes. I'm trying to train my ear for melodies. Thank you man, I appreciate it.

Ok, It's just difficult to comment on melody because I wouldn't want to get in the way of someone thinking outside of the box, perhaps making something that is intended to be outside of conventional chord relationships.

So, my comments really are intended at the very least to identify where the notes go outside of what generally sounds 'right' :-)

Intro 0:00 - 0:55, all at F, high F. Fine - really like it :-)

Bass comes in 0:56 - 1:23. Fine - sounds right.

Lead 'swell' lets call it, 1:24 - 2:33, again like this, sounds fine.

Top Arp 2:33 onwards. This is the first bit that doesn't sit well in my opinion.

When this kicks in you are effectively picking out one note in the chords (bottom note first) 'F,A#,D' and 'F,A,C'. You select D and C. I think here it falls too far away from the core F and you might benefit from either using the middle notes in the chord A, A# there or at least doubling up so that you are using 'D,A#' and 'C,A' to keep more of a link.

Well I would continue but I just read Rodri's comment and must agree, though I would say start out from 2:33 onwards and take it in a different direction, as all that I would have said from this point on is that 'if the previous note had been X then Y would work here' and it gets too involved :-)

Again, sorry if thats too invasive of your tune but that is how I hear it :-)

Wayne

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos i See Darek removed his track well i thought it was quite refreshing and innovative in terms of structure, the sounds used were a bit common and maybe i'd take the chance to make something more risky and innovative but not really big issues here. @Wayn0 i see you are good with melodies, the track has the potential, i don't know what do you expect of this track. I generally make club music with deep bass and hard kicks maybe you expect something different but right now as it is it's a good idea that it's not developed in an effective way. You need a present bass to give the groove and some shakers/hat lines, i like the sounds you have used but if you want it to make danceable synths should be "bigger" if you know what i mean. Track at this point it's a pleasurable listen but that's it if you wish people to listen calmly at home then i'd use a different and softer kick to let the melodical parts breathe and have more space. @Juan Paulino: Melodically sounds better, the first part it's not bad, i don't like that much breakdown onwards i think you should forget about this track and move to something else this tune is quite flat and i've heard better stuff from you, you seem stuck and i've been on this point several times, it's better to throw the project to the trash bin or leave it and don't think of it like XX hours wasted but, simply as a training, i think this track will never be good, you are ofuscated and are treating some elements like core things when you should indeed delete them and forget about it. Start a new project this will harm you more than would benefit. --------------------------------------------------------------------- About my new track i think bass is quite heavy i still have not played it loud but guess should be effective well who knows... About the keys: Bass is in C#m combined with an E Major which should sound fine theoretically. The note you talk about it's indeed a percussion which should be harmonically neutral but well maybe it's playing atonal for me sounds ok. "Melodies" are simple as i said i make club music this is indeed maybe too melodical, i see you are more trance minded, i understand you miss something but this should be fine without any real melodies for the audience this is oriented. Thank you for your opinion will try it and see anyway

Thankyou very much for the constructive words, what do you mean by this please? "i don't know what do you expect of this track". In general i see this track as middle of the road easy listening, nothing to grab people in a big way, an album track if you like lol, just something I want to finish as it's not terrible.

I see something like this as a bit more appealing and likely to turn in to something better


Got lost of random stuff like that saved up I just always hit a wall right about here with all my tracks :-(

I have the same issues as many a producer, where it's so hard to translate the sounds in my head on to 'paper'.

Wayn0! You just gave me the best review I ever got, thanks man you rock!

Yeah its my first 140 BPM finished work so yeah I'l either save when I'm better or just cast it aside. I'm no pro, i know that for a fact hehe, far from it.

Rodri thanks for letting me know about the track. I will take your thoughts into consideration.

This thread rules.

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Originally posted by Wayn0 Thankyou very much for the constructive words, what do you mean by this please? "i don't know what do you expect of this track". In general i see this track as middle of the road easy listening, nothing to grab people in a big way, an album track if you like lol, just something I want to finish as it's not terrible.

I mean if you want it to be an underground club track, commercial club track, radio...

If you wish it to be a chill album track is fine as it is, just bass + some subtle hats and should be ready.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Wayn0! You just gave me the best review I ever got, thanks man you rock! Yeah its my first 140 BPM finished work so yeah I'l either save when I'm better or just cast it aside. I'm no pro, i know that for a fact hehe, far from it. Rodri thanks for letting me know about the track. I will take your thoughts into consideration. This thread rules.

Hehe, well that's my pleasure :-) I hope it is of some use and I am happy to listen again to anything else.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos I mean if you want it to be an underground club track, commercial club track, radio... If you wish it to be a chill album track is fine as it is, just bass + some subtle hats and should be ready.

To be honest, I have no idea, I just want to make music that people listen to!

well where a lot of producers fail is on this point you have to know what's your audience and where you want to go, if you want to support a dj career with your productions you should produce similar music to what you want to play and a club track, nowadays, needs to have some core elements to work on the dancefloor, and meet some standards if you want other djs to support it.

Being honest very few people listen to hard edge minimal at home so if your distribution and your networking is oriented towards home listening you are producing the wrong genre in a wrong way. People usually prefer something more eclectic, experimental, melodic and i can assure you that this exact stuff would clean the dancefloors in a minute.

Take Juan Paulino's track for example, that kick is good for a club, to listen at home even though it sits well on the mix you'd probably prefer something more subtle that let's you hear the pads and the arps more clearly. Or simply if you are that kind of guy that picks his headphones and read a book meanwhile, hearing "boom boom boom booom" it's a bit intrusive. On the other hand just hearing a little clip, mainly for rythmic purposes seems to suit more.

Also and this is not stupid, you should consider the reproduction method, if you are making cheesy commercial tunes most people would listen to 128kbps mp3s on cheap earplugs so.... if your best elements are a deep sub bass at 25hz and the crispness of your synths at 15khz+ your music won't shine.

I generally listen to my tunes with cheap earplugs and see if the bass is noticeable on them or not, i am not mixing with them i just want to ensure that the track is playable both in high end audio equipment and also in the worst case scenario

Ok I take your point, but I kinda see it the other way around (wrongly or rightly) i will make what I love and then it will fall into whatever category it happens to fit :-)

Ideal world though, I would want to produce big tunes to play in a club, what I want is that hands up eyes closed emotional moment :-)

someone please tell me what they think of this melody! :-)

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Originally posted by Wayn0 someone please tell me what they think of this melody! :-)

I prefer "basstry" @ 115.

Where are thecYrus* and alanzo's WIPs? or the rest of the people from the "best supersaw" threads..

I found these renders on my hard drive they are WIPS from 2005/2008.

Very lush and trancy, I like it.

This is now finished apart from a proper mixing session to tame it a bit.
Thanks for the feeds.

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Originally posted by evo8 heres another techno one from me, trying to go darker and slightly more twisted, just roughly sketched out at the moment edit: sorry, i should have cut a few minutes off that before i uploaded :-/

Nice n clean yet dirty enough and greayat bass again.


BTW - I have this techno WIP I'm working on - thought you might be interested (sorry to use youtube)

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Originally posted by Wayn0 someone please tell me what they think of this melody! :-)

Sounds decent to my ears. Finish.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Nice n clean yet dirty enough and greayat bass again. BTW - I have this techno WIP I'm working on - thought you might be interested (sorry to use youtube)

It was really nice going till 1:15 after that the rest didn't connect with me the same way as first min

I could have nice potential if you develop farther this first part Richard!!!

Darek

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Nice n clean yet dirty enough and greayat bass again. BTW - I have this techno WIP I'm working on - thought you might be interested (sorry to use youtube)

first couple of minutes form the basis of a really good techno track, the bass and kick works really well
but then its gets a bit crowded, that lead that comes in at 1:20 is way too loud and taking up too much room IMHO

just some bull shit made by me! I know I Suck!
Working on some 2013 stuff!

BTW
Happy Birthday to me!
05/07/2013

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Nice n clean yet dirty enough and greayat bass again. BTW - I have this techno WIP I'm working on - thought you might be interested (sorry to use youtube) Partners

This is great, love the stereo field and the overall feel. Epic percussion work too. My only tip would be to reduce the level of the hat that comes every other beat, but just a minimal bit. And perhaps the left channel percussion is panned a bit too dramatically.

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 just some bull shit made by me! I know I Suck! Working on some 2013 stuff! chill hau5 track fan staff in the stud

Regarding the chill home track, I'd suggest getting more alive, less artificial-sounding (aka less processed) samples in the first place, and this really needs automation. Listen to Prydz for ideas.

Fun stuff - well, the parts of the track seem really disconnected to each other, borrow some sounds between the parts.. And the kick needs more attention, it sounds somewhat "cheap"

Both have solid potential if you keep working on them.

I haven't listened to the outher two.

And happy birthday

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Originally posted by Wayn0 someone please tell me what they think of this melody! :-)

It's good, but the chords at 3 seconds and again at 11 seconds sound a bit unfitting, so work on those parts.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Nice n clean yet dirty enough and greayat bass again. BTW - I have this techno WIP I'm working on - thought you might be interested (sorry to use youtube)

that horn build should be +3 seminotes to fit the bass (or the bass -3)

OK guys - just to resurrect this thread a bit I decided to share with you my latest vocal track - still in very early WIP stage but you could definitely hear and feel the direction I'm taking this track through.

At the moment is very dry yet as vocal need to be re-recorded (for now it is only a space reservation to complete structural arrangement).

She found me on SoundCloud and offer an collab on my track preview - so good things will happen with your dedication and persistence

So give it a run (it is a private track so you would not find it on SoundCloud):

DCH New Concept MAY 05 2013 Vocal Ableton 9 by DariusX.

Cheers TA's

Darek

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