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Originally posted by Richard Butler So finally after months of trying I feel I have cracked the bass on this track. I will get this pro mastered perhaps by our good Dutch analogue friend here. Can you please critique this. Does the bass growl enough? I made some automation mistakes in the break which I will sort. Riding the levels of things like vocals and piano on this has been a nightmare taking massive amounts of time but still I think there are errors.

Sounds great Richard. There's only one thing I would address. When the bass comes in and plays its Progression, have the pianos left hand following the root note progression of the bass. At the moment they play the same root note on bar 1 of the turn around, but on bar three of the turn around it sounds like the bass synth changes its root note while the piano is still sustaining it's note from bar one, it's at this point that things sound a little out of key and clashing melodically, then it comes good again on bar four cause they both are playing the same root note in the bottom registers. My 2 cents!

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Trying to resurrect one of my old work (collab with Anakratis) and adding vocal to this Progressive House track - at this moment vocal is only in small portion of this WIP and only as a place holder but you could hear my idea how it suppose to work lol - any thoughts? Here we go - with vocal: Cheers, Darek

Some of your best work, nice.

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Originally posted by MSZ Some of your best work, nice.

Thanks Mac appreciate that !!!

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Thanks Mac appreciate that !!! Darek

I got some feedback now, you know that nintendo sound you have going through, I think you should try to mute it and see if the whole sounds better. If you feel there is empty spaces in some parts, you should try a very reverbed out pad/atmoshperic element in the background just enough to create ambience, very faint though.

The thing about the atmospheric ambience aspect, matt lange is an artist that does this very well, you could check out some of his tunes. A little bit of delay'd reverb stuff can go a long way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUjYILanI7o

arthur deep is another guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21VK4c-YN7Y

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Originally posted by MSZ I got some feedback now, you know that nintendo sound you have going through, I think you should try to mute it and see if the whole sounds better. If you feel there is empty spaces in some parts, you should try a very reverbed out pad/atmoshperic element in the background just enough to create ambience, very faint though. The thing about the atmospheric ambience aspect, matt lange is an artist that does this very well, you could check out some of his tunes. A little bit of delay'd reverb stuff can go a long way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUjYILanI7o arthur deep is another guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21VK4c-YN7Y

Yeah, this is Anakratis area of mastery lol - I'm more in to the dance genre then anything else but those two examples are really cool man, sound like very creative way of using reverb in your tunes.

EDIT: He has few free downloads on his site:


Anakratis

Cheers Mac

Darek

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Originally posted by madmuso

I sure like this than your latest WIP. It def takes me on a journey so far, good work man. Make more stuff like this.

Hey guys,

ive still been playing around with this song and from the original post its changed fairly drasticaly but I kinda like it, I tried to implement as many of the suggestions made as well as keep aware of my own itnernal feel, etc. I havent really mixed this yet, more about arrangement, etc. I dont know how much better I can get it in that regard, i'll just have to accept that this is where im at right now and will hopefuly improve as I work on more songs.

Im so used to hearing the original that now this feels like everything happens to quickly, but I do agree that the original was long. Does it feel rushed now?

Thanks,

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Originally posted by Innocence Lost I sure like this than your latest WIP. It def takes me on a journey so far, good work man. Make more stuff like this.

thanks mate!

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Originally posted by madmuso thanks mate!

Anytime man.

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Originally posted by madmuso Hey guys, ive still been playing around with this song

I liked it before, so was kind of not thrilled to hear you say it's been changed a lot.

Then 1:47 hit. Excellent driving pounding energy there. Nice. I'd like the kick to just drop out completely at 2:58 though. Perhaps a tiny touch too much delay on the piano in the break, and there isn't quite enough transition into that dark dirty synth line.

And there's that plucky melody I like so much.

Excellent work.

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Originally posted by madmuso Hey guys, ive still been playing around with this song and from the original post its changed fairly drasticaly but I kinda like it, I tried to implement as many of the suggestions made as well as keep aware of my own itnernal feel, etc. I havent really mixed this yet, more about arrangement, etc. I dont know how much better I can get it in that regard, i'll just have to accept that this is where im at right now and will hopefuly improve as I work on more songs. Im so used to hearing the original that now this feels like everything happens to quickly, but I do agree that the original was long. Does it feel rushed now? Thanks,

I never heard anyone like this, your style is unusually really good. The kick is awesome just like my kicks and it gets nice and shiny in the middle. Just Awesome man. You planning on releasing this when its done?

Thanks for the kind words guys.

This is why getting advice and suggestions is critical, it helps to question your own decisions and helps you see things from another perspective, which is exactly what I needed after hearing the origianl 4 million times. So thank you to everyone who gave me their thoughts, etc. It still needs work but for now i'll step away, work on something else (break balls here again!), then come back to this tune with fresh ears at a later date.

To be honest im really just doing these songs for my own pleasure. As most of you are probably aware I come from a classical and rock background and im happy with what I have achieved in those areas, and by achieved I simply mean, writing, recording and getting it finished! Basicaly having something to show for your hard work.
I just want to have 6 to 10 good electronic songs fully completed to the best of my ability that I can maybe show my kid one day.

I wouldnt even know where to begin if I was wanting to release a song in the electronic world. I have plenty of experience and contacts in the rock/metal scene but im new to all this here. I dont know if things are done the same way. I suppose i'll cross that bridge if I ever get to it.

thanks again guys,

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Originally posted by madmuso I wouldnt even know where to begin if I was wanting to release a song in the electronic world. I have plenty of experience and contacts in the rock/metal scene but im new to all this here. I dont know if things are done the same way. I suppose i'll cross that bridge if I ever get to it. thanks again guys,

Aww, don't worry man there plenty of peeps that could help with that. You're def on the right path.

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Originally posted by Innocence Lost I never heard anyone like this, your style is unusually really good. The kick is awesome just like my kicks and it gets nice and shiny in the middle. Just Awesome man. You planning on releasing this when its done?

feeling this track, awesome work here. The track drives really nice.

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Originally posted by Mise

An all round good idea. Loved when the bass came in at 56 seconds, I was tapping my feet right away, this part is the track for me. I would rethink the choice of top end rhythm elements, to me they sound very transient heavy, very spikey. Your main bass sound also has a spikey transient heavy front edge but it really suits it and sounds good. I would let it shine and choose other softer top end rhythm elements. Also, it seemed at times the timing between these elements seemed to a little off and clashing.

You are from the same city my dad was born in, are you a Boca fan?

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Originally posted by madmuso An all round good idea. Loved when the bass came in at 56 seconds, I was tapping my feet right away, this part is the track for me. I would rethink the choice of top end rhythm elements, to me they sound very transient heavy, very spikey. Your main bass sound also has a spikey transient heavy front edge but it really suits it and sounds good. I would let it shine and choose other softer top end rhythm elements. Also, it seemed at times the timing between these elements seemed to a little off and clashing. You are from the same city my dad was born in, are you a Boca fan?

Thanks man, great input. I will take some time off the track to approach it with a fresh perspective. As you said feedback helps a lot. Good we can help each other.

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You are from the same city my dad was born in, are you a Boca fan?

Really?.. Cool!, no I am a River fan

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Originally posted by Richard Butler

Another good track from you Richard, sounding good!

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Originally posted by madmuso

Nice track, very dark but I like it. Bass could be a bit stronger for my liking.

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Originally posted by Mise

Its not bad at all, but you need to get rid of that percussive sound with the funny timing, it messes everything up.

Some harder trance here..

Its like the main idea I guess, its as about as far as I ever seem to get. Maybe I should collab with jp so he can make me an intro



Another Idea but not as hard

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Originally posted by Andy28 Nice track, very dark but I like it. Bass could be a bit stronger for my liking.

Thats exactly what ive been thinking, its not as powerfull/strong as it should be. If I get a chance today im gonna try to layer it with something that will reinforce it to give it the power it needs. See how we go.

thanks

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Originally posted by MSZ Some of your best work, nice.

have to agree, this is good shit Darek - the little build in the break is where its at for me

i would bring that break forward 16, or else mix it with, dare i say it, a riser LOL......but something anyway as it feels like 16 bars extra in there

the emotion is just right without being cheesy, right amount of vox and nice vox too, nice one!

p.s. possibly cut a small bit of lowmid from the vox? it sounds almost too upfront but its not far off for me, its probably ok to leave it

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Originally posted by Mise

i guess this is what they now call "EDM" ? the kick is clicky and so is the bassline so im not sure if that works? too much clicky :P

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Originally posted by madmuso Hey guys, ive still been playing around with this song and from the original post its changed fairly drasticaly but I kinda like it, I tried to implement as many of the suggestions made as well as keep aware of my own itnernal feel, etc. I havent really mixed this yet, more about arrangement, etc. I dont know how much better I can get it in that regard, i'll just have to accept that this is where im at right now and will hopefuly improve as I work on more songs. Im so used to hearing the original that now this feels like everything happens to quickly, but I do agree that the original was long. Does it feel rushed now? Thanks,

way too much going on for me, sounds overcompressed

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Originally posted by Andy28 Another good track from you Richard, sounding good! Nice track, very dark but I like it. Bass could be a bit stronger for my liking. Its not bad at all, but you need to get rid of that percussive sound with the funny timing, it messes everything up. Some harder trance here.. Its like the main idea I guess, its as about as far as I ever seem to get. Maybe I should collab with jp so he can make me an intro Another Idea but not as hard

the leads are very loud on those Andy, not much groove going on so its hard to listen to them

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Originally posted by evo8 the leads are very loud on those Andy, not much groove going on so its hard to listen to them

Thanks evo, will listen again tomorrow with fresh ears and make some adjustments.

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Originally posted by madmuso Hey guys, ive still been playing around with this song and from the original post its changed fairly drasticaly but I kinda like it, I tried to implement as many of the suggestions made as well as keep aware of my own itnernal feel, etc. I havent really mixed this yet, more about arrangement, etc. I dont know how much better I can get it in that regard, i'll just have to accept that this is where im at right now and will hopefuly improve as I work on more songs. Im so used to hearing the original that now this feels like everything happens to quickly, but I do agree that the original was long. Does it feel rushed now? Thanks,

This is really good. The only thing that maybe feels a little bit rushed is the second break. First time I listened I thought so. When listening again, I'm not sure.

But nice dark atmosphere and good soundselection.

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