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No worries, it was awful and out of tune. My headphones mask harmonics in the lower mids.

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Originally posted by MSZ Some Idea im toying with, although I havent listened on speakers so it's probably off and the quantization needs work.

Man, just too late again lol.

Darek

You guys take your WIPS down to quick..lol

Welp, this is just an idea or a very early WIP

*edit- should have probably given a better edit here as after the 3:00 mark it repeats. Sorry

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Originally posted by gordan100 Any good in this?

Hi Gordan,

This my sound as unconventional comment but I decided to go this route because I think it is important for you to know where I cam from and what I'm looking for in music I really like to listen to. First of all I really have to have good day (inspiration vise) to go to my mini studio and work on something new, something which let me express my self, my feelings, my emotions and I usually start with little tool call Cthulhu from XferRecords which help me quickly go through different chords sequence for best possible melodic part. After that I work around bass and drums and really paying attention to balance and levels with good harmonics as this is the glue to your track structure which translate to best possible listening experience.

At this point I should switch to your track and try to give you my best and honest suggestion/opinion which some times is not that easy as you may have a bit different expectations then I do from music, so I will start with this: so far I can't feel/hear overall coherent theme in your WIP, the thing which make track attractive and let different elements/sounds do/play their part in it (if you know what I mean), also it is important to recognize that in today music not only melody with cool drops and rises is enough but also FX and sounds selection play huge role in success of the track - and this is the element whci is also missing in this production concept.

Overall I can definitively say the you are making progress in developing your production skills and it is just a matter of time you get the "ONE" track which may change direction of your life

Cheers man,

Darek

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 You guys take your WIPS down to quick..lol Welp, this is just an idea or a very early WIP *edit- should have probably given a better edit here as after the 3:00 mark it repeats. Sorry

Dont know if this something artistic you're going for, but on my system the whole beat sounds drowned out mega, some of the nice synthwork really pops so nice job on that part.

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Originally posted by MSZ Dont know if this something artistic you're going for, but on my system the whole beat sounds drowned out mega, some of the nice synthwork really pops so nice job on that part.

Heya MSZ, long time no see man. Thanks for the reply.
Yea, early early stages (like just 5 hours ago) but what I believe you are referring to is the automation on the kick from the 45-240 hz.
Not sure if it really correlates to the track yet and not sure it will even remain.

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 You guys take your WIPS down to quick..lol Welp, this is just an idea or a very early WIP *edit- should have probably given a better edit here as after the 3:00 mark it repeats. Sorry

ok, i really like the sounds here and the mood, that sawish lead that pops up every now and again is fat

just the kick has no real low end to speak of and theres no real bassline - as such its actually a nice melodic piece of music

you could keep it beatless and have that version - then make some changes/sacrifices for a trance/techno version, my 2c

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 You guys take your WIPS down to quick..lol Welp, this is just an idea or a very early WIP *edit- should have probably given a better edit here as after the 3:00 mark it repeats. Sorry

Sounds like you started really cool project man (right from 1:00 min mark to about 3:15) - nice and path synth with lots of depth in it and on top of that you have pretty sweet melodic concept going on which creates darn good atmosphere - awesome

Btw, please check your drums/kick as this sounds like you have auto-filter on it in the middle part of this track.

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Sounds like you started really cool project man (right from 1:00 min mark to about 3:15) - nice and path synth with lots of depth in it and on top of that you have pretty sweet melodic concept going on which creates darn good atmosphere - awesome Btw, please check your drums/kick as this sounds like you have auto-filter on it in the middle part of this track. Darek

Always glad for your feedback Darek, Thanks man.
Yea, guess I am going to have to change that EQ frequency to a flat tone. Might just change the kick altogether.
Appreciate guys!

I'd like to confirm my suspicions.
-the bass is dissonant(especially the first note) when I listen on my speakers, but not so much through headphones, does it irk you? I tried to pitch it around it doesnt seem to be helping which would require resynthesis and restructure whichim not really down for.
I need to cut the bass at some point, also lazy.

watch out, overall this piece is too loud, its killing the dynamics, I dont wanna fuck with that either right now, its going to take a lot of balancing out. I had it more mellow before but now I fear there is too much distortion emanating to kill the form.

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Originally posted by MSZ I'd like to confirm my suspicions. -the bass is dissonant(especially the first note) when I listen on my speakers, but not so much through headphones, does it irk you? I tried to pitch it around it doesnt seem to be helping which would require resynthesis and restructure whichim not really down for. I need to cut the bass at some point, also lazy. watch out, overall this piece is too loud, its killing the dynamics, I dont wanna fuck with that either right now, its going to take a lot of balancing out. I had it more mellow before but now I fear there is too much distortion emanating to kill the form.

I really like where you going with this but you are completely right about your first note Mac, sound wired at the best man, you can take some of the de-tune of your base but I don't think this would do the job lol

Here is more develop part of my Chill/ambient track which I posted before, any thoughts?





Thanks guys,

Darek

Hello again, still up been drinking a bit...

Fantastic work, you're even giving a basshead like me too much bass which is great. If I were to criticize it a bit, everything is very static it comes in and out without any movement or intrigue, I would maybe incorporate some human touch into every bit. Also I think I fixed my bum note, yay.

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Originally posted by evo8 ok, i really like the sounds here and the mood, that sawish lead that pops up every now and again is fat just the kick has no real low end to speak of and theres no real bassline - as such its actually a nice melodic piece of music you could keep it beatless and have that version - then make some changes/sacrifices for a trance/techno version, my 2c

Thanks bud, yea...that saw is the driving force for me to work more on this. Ive envisioned a few different directions that I could take it

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Here is more develop part of my Chill/ambient track which I posted before, any thoughts? Thanks guys, Darek

really like this one Darek, nice mood at the start and a nice groove, the background arp that comes in is a nice driver

the mix is straining at certain points, could be the bass that is causing that, should be easy enough to fix

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Originally posted by MSZ I'd like to confirm my suspicions. -the bass is dissonant(especially the first note) when I listen on my speakers, but not so much through headphones, does it irk you? I tried to pitch it around it doesnt seem to be helping which would require resynthesis and restructure whichim not really down for. I need to cut the bass at some point, also lazy. watch out, overall this piece is too loud, its killing the dynamics, I dont wanna fuck with that either right now, its going to take a lot of balancing out. I had it more mellow before but now I fear there is too much distortion emanating to kill the form.

like where it goes at the end with the extra melody coming in

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Here is more develop part of my Chill/ambient track which I posted before, any thoughts? Thanks guys, Darek

Yea Darek, this is very moody and I really really dig that arp.
I can't say to much more than what already has however;I would have to agree with the others comments about it being a little hazy and I unfortunately atm am listening on sub quality speakers so I can't be for sure. I "think" I am picking up some ducking on the sub that kind of takes away from the movement on certain notes.
Dig this though man

Thank you MSZ, Evo8 and SystematicX1 for your time and comment guys. I know that this is not the quality of release product yet but I always try to get really close to clean (technically speaking) production material - in this particular case my bass is really heavy and deep but also suppose to be very active/moving and may occasionally sounds like has some compression (ducking) issues but my EQ-ing process provides enough room for each instruments to breathe on their own with no major overlapping in freq.

Hopefully the final production will be the highest quality I can provide

Cheers guys,

Darek

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Originally posted by MSZ I'd like to confirm my suspicions. -the bass is dissonant(especially the first note) when I listen on my speakers, but not so much through headphones, does it irk you? I tried to pitch it around it doesnt seem to be helping which would require resynthesis and restructure whichim not really down for. I need to cut the bass at some point, also lazy. watch out, overall this piece is too loud, its killing the dynamics, I dont wanna fuck with that either right now, its going to take a lot of balancing out. I had it more mellow before but now I fear there is too much distortion emanating to kill the form.

i really like the evolving pluck, the off kilter timing and automated delays sound great

with the bass, correct me if im wrong but that first note (an A i think) is below the notes that i would usually use for a bass. the lowest im i might usually use is around a D sharp 0 - below that just ends to sound wooly/lacking in clarity. i think the reason for this may be that you cant actually hear the sub frequencies at this pitch (on my headphones or speakers anyway) so most likely the ear only picks up the upper harmonics

so i think thats reason why your low notes sound dissonant like that, just a bit too low. then an A the octave above may not be "suby" enough for you. you could always transpose the whole piece down to F, then youd have a nice frequency for your sub on chord 1

i think you could do better with the bass and it might be worth totally redoing it, as the rest of the tune is really nice imo

IMO as ever

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Here is more develop part of my Chill/ambient track which I posted before, any thoughts? Thanks guys, Darek

yes dude thats really cool!

1m really liking the sub, almost like an old skool jungle bass you are going for there! the guitar bit is great id like to hear more of that!

whilst i feel the sub is hitting just the right frequencies i think its a touch too loud and needs to be more controlled.

you can do this with some heavy compression or you may want to adjust the patch, if you can get the beating between the oscillators that are detuned to somehow sync to the track

also, imo, make space for that sub. i think your other bass sound is occupying some of the same frequency range so you may want to high pass it. i think this is a big reason why the bass sounds less controlled from 1.17 onwards. EDIT Perhaps this could also be related to overall compression of the track being a little to heavy at this point?

imo nothing else should be in that sub range of around 50 hz in this track, not even the kick, if you want a big sub you should make space for it

also i think it would be good to make your sub mono in its lower frequencies, or at least narrow it down a multi band imager could be useful for this like the one in izotope ozone


anyway sounds awesome keep it up dude!

imo as ever.

also, thank you darek and gordon for your comments on my track, ill be putting it up for free DL at some point

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Originally posted by chris marsh yes dude thats really cool! 1m really liking the sub, almost like an old skool jungle bass you are going for there! the guitar bit is great id like to hear more of that! whilst i feel the sub is hitting just the right frequencies i think its a touch too loud and needs to be more controlled. you can do this with some heavy compression or you may want to adjust the patch, if you can get the beating between the oscillators that are detuned to somehow sync to the track also, imo, make space for that sub. i think your other bass sound is occupying some of the same frequency range so you may want to high pass it. i think this is a big reason why the bass sounds less controlled from 1.17 onwards. EDIT Perhaps this could also be related to overall compression of the track being a little to heavy at this point? imo nothing else should be in that sub range of around 50 hz in this track, not even the kick, if you want a big sub you should make space for it also i think it would be good to make your sub mono in its lower frequencies, or at least narrow it down a multi band imager could be useful for this like the one in izotope ozone anyway sounds awesome keep it up dude! imo as ever.

Cheers Chris for you extensive review/suggestion on my WIP man, appreciate.

As for this bass line, I purposely made it ducking or breathing a bit with little side-chain to a kick so this way I have living or floating effect going on in low freq level -> we will see the final product and I hope that you will agree with me on this Chris

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Cheers Chris for you extensive review/suggestion on my WIP man, appreciate. As for this bass line, I purposely made it ducking or breathing a bit with little side-chain to a kick so this way I have living or floating effect going on in low freq level -> we will see the final product and I hope that you will agree with me on this Chris

no worries mate i hope it was of some use

i just imported into my sequencer for a more detailed listen. Ahh i see what you mean, the SC compression with the kick on the sub, perhaps you might want to adjust the attack and release settings a little? maybe a shorter attack and release time might work better with this bass, just to get it out the way of the kick

soloing your low end it actually sounds pretty damn tight to me, but i would stick with the suggestions of making your very low end mono, (EDIT - in fact i made your track mono from about 150 hz downwards as a test and got better readings on the phase meter, and the tune sounded tighter) and also getting that other bass sound out of the way of the sub, and high passing everything to make sure that sub has space

i watched in an in depth tutorial from an amazing DnB producer yesterday and he even high passes his sub at around 25 HZ, kick at 100 HZ (but of course the exact frequencies depend on the tune)

its got some really nice width to it, which is something i need to work on, as you rightly pointed out. what do you usually do to achieve that?

but of course its all subjective and thats just my opinion so please take it with a pinch of salt.


its a really nice tune dude! its chilled and musical but at the same time has some real balls on it!

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Originally posted by chris marsh no worries mate i hope it was of some use i just imported into my sequencer for a more detailed listen. Ahh i see what you mean, the SC compression with the kick on the sub, perhaps you might want to adjust the attack and release settings a little? maybe a shorter attack and release time might work better with this bass, just to get it out the way of the kick soloing your low end it actually sounds pretty damn tight to me, but i would stick with the suggestions of making your very low end mono, (EDIT - in fact i made your track mono from about 150 hz downwards as a test and got better readings on the phase meter, and the tune sounded tighter) and also getting that other bass sound out of the way of the sub, and high passing everything to make sure that sub has space i watched in an in depth tutorial from an amazing DnB producer yesterday and he even high passes his sub at around 25 HZ, kick at 100 HZ (but of course the exact frequencies depend on the tune) its got some really nice width to it, which is something i need to work on, as you rightly pointed out. what do you usually do to achieve that? but of course its all subjective and thats just my opinion so please take it with a pinch of salt. its a really nice tune dude! its chilled and musical but at the same time has some real balls on it!

First of all Chris I really appreciate your time and suggestions man - I know that a lot of things depend on producer personal taste and his vision for his work, so some of us will try to do different things to achieve desire results - in my case I like to play with reverb, auto-pan, simply delay and stereo image to expose current or active instrument/sound. My goal is to create adequate space between all of my sounds and work on special sounds theme (like specific blend of sounds for particular vibe of the track) to get to certain melodic state for my production - if this make any sense

Please let me know if there is something specific you would like me to go through man?

Ok so I am keeping on this one and think I may have got something with it.
Attempted to work on the over sharpness of overall tonality
Kick and Snare are "better" but still need to bring some brightness out on that snare I think
Sub is much better on this mix and better gelling than before, I think lol

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