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https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/dark-sex
Really dig this, got kind of this tech vs house thing going on. Dig it. It is boomy, but feels intentional, which imo is good. It seems to fit and almost has that kind of "arguru" vibe to it.
I know one thing for sure, my girlfriend was dancing to it all the way through...lol which is rare..lol
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Need some opinions on this. Pulled this out of the cobwebs.
It is a remix,it is Katy perry (heads up) /grins
I kinda don't want to post much on it because I am hoping some will pick up on the areas I am seeing need focusing on.
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| Originally posted by SystematicX1 https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/dark-sex Really dig this, got kind of this tech vs house thing going on. Dig it. It is boomy, but feels intentional, which imo is good. It seems to fit and almost has that kind of "arguru" vibe to it. I know one thing for sure, my girlfriend was dancing to it all the way through...lol which is rare..lol -------------------------- Need some opinions on this. Pulled this out of the cobwebs. It is a remix,it is Katy perry (heads up) /grins I kinda don't want to post much on it because I am hoping some will pick up on the areas I am seeing need focusing on. |
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| Originally posted by evo8 its too static imo, nothing really driving the track, not gone on the kick/bass combo |
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| Originally posted by Richard Butler Here's the final WIP in the 3 tracks I'm going to be sending out (inc' the most recent 2 on here) I think this is the strongest but it almost made itself, never found a track this easy Need fresh ears on the mix https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/dark-sex |
Welp, intro's done. Think the song's about 80-90% there...Ran outta creative gas, but I think the intro / breakdown / buildup ended up being "ok". Oh well. Tried for a story-like arrangement, with a lighter tone in the beginning, transitioning into the darker one after the first breakdown. Plenty of space to mix in with I guess. Friends who listened have said the second build-up / transition is a little too jarring @ 5:09'ish. Maybe a more pronounced build there is needed.
Still experimenting with sound FX and tweaking the mix here and there...My sfx library is pretty slim, so I ended up making some that I thought would compliment the vibe of the tune. I'd like to tie them into the song a little better though.
Spent a little more time on the low-end, should be a bit better now.
Still on the fence about the backing arps I made with Sylenth. They fit the overall mix, but sound a little anemic with less going on. Also not a fan of sylenth and its' squishy sounding resonance...but it's the one synth that produces that darker, techy trance-pluck I like.
Added a *little* variance to the hats. Any more is too distracting, I think.
Should be pretty easy to master this one too, plenty of headroom to work with.
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| Originally posted by theterran Welp, intro's done. Think the song's about 80-90% there...Ran outta creative gas, but I think the intro / breakdown / buildup ended up being "ok". Oh well. Tried for a story-like arrangement, with a lighter tone in the beginning, transitioning into the darker one after the first breakdown. Plenty of space to mix in with I guess. Friends who listened have said the second build-up / transition is a little too jarring @ 5:09'ish. Maybe a more pronounced build there is needed. Still experimenting with sound FX and tweaking the mix here and there...My sfx library is pretty slim, so I ended up making some that I thought would compliment the vibe of the tune. I'd like to tie them into the song a little better though. Spent a little more time on the low-end, should be a bit better now. Still on the fence about the backing arps I made with Sylenth. They fit the overall mix, but sound a little anemic with less going on. Also not a fan of sylenth and its' squishy sounding resonance...but it's the one synth that produces that darker, techy trance-pluck I like. Added a *little* variance to the hats. Any more is too distracting, I think. Should be pretty easy to master this one too, plenty of headroom to work with. |
Glad you liked it fuxzz, and I appreciate the time you took to listen and provide feedback!
Could definitely progress the pads a little more towards the first minor build at 2:35. I did end up skimping on the first section a bit in favor of getting the arranging done. The pads do drop down at around 2:35'ish, so I can easily work towards that shift a little sooner.
Definitely needs some more going on in the middle of that first break to make the transition into 5:09 a little less contrasting/jarring. Getting pretty unanimous feedback on this from my friends who have listened. The tricky part is going to be getting the intensity right without having it sound rushed or forced.
If my usual approach to adding the finishing touches doesn't work, I'll end up taking a break yeah. No need to force it, like you said.
thanks again!
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| Originally posted by theterran Welp, intro's done. Think the song's about 80-90% there...Ran outta creative gas, but I think the intro / breakdown / buildup ended up being "ok". Oh well. Tried for a story-like arrangement, with a lighter tone in the beginning, transitioning into the darker one after the first breakdown. Plenty of space to mix in with I guess. Friends who listened have said the second build-up / transition is a little too jarring @ 5:09'ish. Maybe a more pronounced build there is needed. Still experimenting with sound FX and tweaking the mix here and there...My sfx library is pretty slim, so I ended up making some that I thought would compliment the vibe of the tune. I'd like to tie them into the song a little better though. Spent a little more time on the low-end, should be a bit better now. Still on the fence about the backing arps I made with Sylenth. They fit the overall mix, but sound a little anemic with less going on. Also not a fan of sylenth and its' squishy sounding resonance...but it's the one synth that produces that darker, techy trance-pluck I like. Added a *little* variance to the hats. Any more is too distracting, I think. Should be pretty easy to master this one too, plenty of headroom to work with. |
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| Originally posted by evo8 this is really nice, the breakdown is a little empty for me, you could maybe have some background synth sweeps just to underpin the rest? nothing too dominating, just there I think 9 minutes is too long also nice! |
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| Originally posted by theterran Glad you liked it fuxzz, and I appreciate the time you took to listen and provide feedback! Could definitely progress the pads a little more towards the first minor build at 2:35. I did end up skimping on the first section a bit in favor of getting the arranging done. The pads do drop down at around 2:35'ish, so I can easily work towards that shift a little sooner. Definitely needs some more going on in the middle of that first break to make the transition into 5:09 a little less contrasting/jarring. Getting pretty unanimous feedback on this from my friends who have listened. The tricky part is going to be getting the intensity right without having it sound rushed or forced. If my usual approach to adding the finishing touches doesn't work, I'll end up taking a break yeah. No need to force it, like you said. thanks again! |
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| Originally posted by fuxzz What I meant about the pad in the beginning, and what I would do is this: If I�m correct you start with C#, goes to D# and then down to a lower A#. What I would do, is, that in one occasion, and only one, instead of going down to A#, go up to F#. It just feels right to me. Maybe you hear something different and better though. However, I don�t think you should change to much, because it creates a good hypnotic intro with this repetitiveness. |
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I hope I don�t come across as pretentious, what I say is said with all humility. I�m just putting my thoughts out there for you to consider. Obviously, what I say isn�t necessary right. Just wanted to make that clear so I don�t come across as someone �all knowing� I hope you will keep the space in the track! |
Okay, I guess you will make it work somehow!
Good, we think the same way then.
The Terrans piece inspired me to upload this, which been lying on my computer for quite a while. There are some seriously talented people in this thread, so I would appreciate if you let me know what you think.
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| Originally posted by fuxzz Okay, I guess you will make it work somehow! Good, we think the same way then. The Terrans piece inspired me to upload this, which been lying on my computer for quite a while. There are some seriously talented people in this thread, so I would appreciate if you let me know what you think. |
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| Originally posted by fuxzz Okay, I guess you will make it work somehow! Good, we think the same way then. The Terrans piece inspired me to upload this, which been lying on my computer for quite a while. There are some seriously talented people in this thread, so I would appreciate if you let me know what you think. |
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| Originally posted by theterran Like the vibe overall, pretty energetic / atomospheric, and it's a nice kind of different. Sound selection is good, and everything works well together. Vocal snippets are placed well, and are interesting. Kick seems to be lacking some punch / drive though. It sounds alright at first, but gets lost in the mix I think. Since this seems like more of a beat driven track, that might be worth looking into. Might consider doing some more panning / filtering work with that whooshy noise, or duck it a few db, to blend it in with the drumkit a little more. Will note that I was listening passively to the mix, and then actively when I felt pulled out or distracted. I thought the track actually ended at 4:00, and was pulled out of the vibe there. Even tabbed back to hit pause so SC didn't continue on down the random playlist it typically does and realized it was only 1/2 done. Gotta be somethin' there, 10 seconds of silence is a bit much. Personal preference : I was hoping for some sorta distinct melodic hook / theme, something light and passive, but still memorable. Could theme it off of the vocal sections that fade in around 5:15, or something to accent the ambience. Could use any variety of instruments for it in this mix too. I just don't think the bassline is interesting enough to hold the beat, supporting vocal snippets and atmosphere together for the entire 9 minutes. If nothing springs to mind, or is inspired, then I wouldn't worry about it. If you're interested, I have the 133 bpm snippet of what my brain was trying to fill in the void with...it's a simple, drone-y, backdrop harmony but, it might spark some ideas if that's something you'd like to toy around with. Like you said, it's not worth it to force things in a song though. I feel it's usually pretty apparent to the listener...and it tends to be a detriment to the song more often than not. Good job overall though, I liked it. |
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| Originally posted by evo8 really like this one!! love the drums great groove, the kick just seems to fit in perfectly, wouldnt change it! bassline is simple but just works i think you can do better than those male vocal snippets in the breakdown though, easily enough to remedy ive been trying and failing recently to get this kind of sound, i keep drifting back towards modern techno but im determined to succeed, thanks for the inspiration! |
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| Originally posted by fuxzz Btw, I was listening to your track again, and that piano melody at the end is beautiful. What kind of piano did you use? |
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| Originally posted by fuxzz Glad to hear that, especially from you. I always liked the sound of your drums and kick/bass in the WIPs you've been posting here. The male vocals will stay though. I�m aware of that it is ugly in one way, but that is kind of what I like about it. I�m not up to date with modern techno. The inspiration to this one comes from schranz techno intertwined with progressive house�at least I think so. It is not impossible that your snippets here have been part of the inspiration to actually. So maybe I have inspired you with the inspiration I got from you. That is a interesting phenomenon. Looking forward to hear what you come up with. One of the dangers I think is when you start to think to much, and �want� to much. If you want to make a track in a certain style, you will not really listen and hear where the track itself wants to go. Often I feel like putting a track together is like a invisible puzzle. When the first peace is laid down, the rest is more about listening, and finding the hidden peaces that�s missing, than creating something. That is at least one way to look at it. A tip would be, start with the background ambiance and go from there, that is at least what I did with this one. |
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| Originally posted by theterran Nexus 2 : Piano, "Arena Ambience". FX Bus was : FabFilter Pro-Q2 -> Ozone 5 Multiband compressor + Harmonic Exciter -> Valhalla Vintage Verb (Nexus 2 Reveerb is decent, but not always the best choice) Nexus has pretty good pianos. Both the standard Nexus 2 Piano and the PS Total Piano expansion pack are quite good. I understand the preference thing. A few of the people who commented on my wip definitely seemed more into house...so I understood that they'd prefer a stronger kick / bass. I try to review with more of an objective mindset, disregarding personal preference, trying best to consider what the artist was going for. Still might throw in a preference based opinion or two though, but never aimed at the mix. I've had a few songs get a really nice addition from an idea someone else had. The other thing with mixes is that people are listening on varied systems. Something might be one way through headphone monitors, might be different on reference monitors, different listening environments come into play etc... |
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| Originally posted by evo8 thanks - i think i need to get the drums and bass right first but starting with background could be a good idea, I also need to listen to more music from late 90s/early 00s |
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| Originally posted by fuxzz The right kind of background can actually make a groove in itself, that�s why I often find it easier to start with that. Btw, did this ever get finished? Sounds interesting. |
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| Originally posted by evo8 yeah, fair chance i finished that one |
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| Originally posted by TranceLover007 Which of those two version of the same production is most appealing to you: 1. Vocal version but those are only a short verses and repeated few time for space reservation - you can have a sense of style of this vocal which to me is really interesting and adding a spark to this track. 2. Instrumental version Instrumental is a bit easy for release as you own 100% royalties lol but vocal one add some attractiveness to this production. Which one do you like the most?  Darek |
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| Originally posted by theterran I try to review with more of an objective mindset, disregarding personal preference, trying best to consider what the artist was going for. Still might throw in a preference based opinion or two though, but never aimed at the mix. I've had a few songs get a really nice addition from an idea someone else had. The other thing with mixes is that people are listening on varied systems. Something might be one way through headphone monitors, might be different on reference monitors, different listening environments come into play etc... |
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| Originally posted by fuxzz I listened to those a couple of days ago, and I was coming back now to to tell you that I personally don�t like the vocals�but that I think that version was quite catchy, and might be appreciated by a certain kind of people, especially young girls. But now I don�t know, I actually sort of like it, in a way. Maybe it was the autotune that put me off the first time I heard it (together with the intro drums), that is usually not my cup of tea. But the vocals go well together with your melodies. And the melodies are good. The instrumental version�I wasn�t to keen on that either the first time I listened, but it is quite nice. Both versions seems to have grown on me. So which version do I prefer? I don�t know. But I have to say that I am a little curious to hear the end result of the one with the vocals. If you go for that, you could probably finish the instrumental too at a later moment. It is probably harder to go the other way around. So there you go. I apparently think you should go for the Vocal version. And later the other one too |
- overall I decided to go with vocal version and progression is going well and depend on vocal rerecording step (and how long it will take) I may be finish soon lol -> still working on drums sets as at this moment I'm not perfectly happy with it because doesn't drive this track the way I would like 
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