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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Yeah, unfortunately I've never multitracked - I've done all my recordings with hardware, 'out of the box' directly into my digital 4-track recorder. In retrospect, it probably would've been nice to have learned to use some software for multitracking, but yeah...

I was actually just talking to a friend in LA who does his own recordings about this. (He's in a "rock" band) He was saying how tedious pro-tools was for making adjustments when routing in multiple tracks, and how he loves Reaper now...

Haven't messed around with live recording myself. Seems like it would be really fun. Props though, live recording is like, the hardest form of music...much easier sequencing everything out in a piano roll, that's for sure.

So I've been at this one on and off for months.
It's my take on 80's meets current electronica,..hopefully.

Those of you who recall Gary Numan will hear some echo's harking back.

Please bare with having to go to Soundcloud I have emailed them to ask why I can no longer embed

Sooo, the kick n bass - feelin it or not?

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/nuufish-tribe

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Originally posted by theterran I was actually just talking to a friend in LA who does his own recordings about this. (He's in a "rock" band) He was saying how tedious pro-tools was for making adjustments when routing in multiple tracks, and how he loves Reaper now... Haven't messed around with live recording myself. Seems like it would be really fun. Props though, live recording is like, the hardest form of music...much easier sequencing everything out in a piano roll, that's for sure.

Thanks, man. Yeah, I mean, live recording is pretty much all I've ever known - for better or worse. I'm under the impression, however, that if I'm using a bunch of different instruments/machines and synths, multitracking may make the track sound better/fuller, so perhaps it's worth learning down the road if I continue to make tracks using more than just a drum machine and 303/x0xb0x.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Sooo, the kick n bass - feelin it or not? https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/nuufish-tribe

I'm feelin' the bass, but not so sure about the kick, personally. I would try maybe using a 909-esque-sounding kick, if possible, and see how it compares. Or perhaps a similar kick they use in these recent ebm/new wave productions - but that's just me.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler So I've been at this one on and off for months. It's my take on 80's meets current electronica,..hopefully. Those of you who recall Gary Numan will hear some echo's harking back. Please bare with having to go to Soundcloud I have emailed them to ask why I can no longer embed Sooo, the kick n bass - feelin it or not? https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/nuufish-tribe

It would sound much better with different kick, i agree. It's somehow too lo-fi for the rest of the track imo. Nice bass.

Regarding embed from sc... Do you get the overlay window when you click on share button?

How is this mix? Bass plucks at the beginning - too loud?

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Originally posted by gordan100 It would sound much better with different kick, i agree. It's somehow too lo-fi for the rest of the track imo. Nice bass. Regarding embed from sc... Do you get the overlay window when you click on share button?

agree about the kick, i detest that kind of modern kick sound, sounds horrible in clubs as well

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Originally posted by gordan100 How is this mix? Bass plucks at the beginning - too loud?

very loud and very wide, honestly mate id move onto something new at this stage :-/

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Originally posted by evo8 very loud and very wide, honestly mate id move onto something new at this stage :-/

Thanks I did I'm really very tired from that shit. I will not touch it for a month at least, if ever

I was washing my ears with tweaking an old one. Don't know if it's any good, I've overcomplicated in second break i think.

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Originally posted by gordan100 Thanks I did I'm really very tired from that shit. I will not touch it for a month at least, if ever I was washing my ears with tweaking an old one. Don't know if it's any good, I've overcomplicated in second break i think.

Previous track you posted from this had, I'm sorry to say, a fairly terrible mix...Dynamic range was squashed, and the stereo is way too wide. Lots of harsh mid-highs and high end as well, made my ears hurt a little bit, even at lower volume. Sounds to me like you were trying to master it with ear fatigue.

It's good to give your ears 3-4 days of rest before attempting a final mixdown / master...You lose sensitivity to alot of the mid-> high range with ear fatigue, and your mixes will come out harsh as fuck. When you go for the final mix-down / master it's also good to make adjustments as quickly and efficiently as possible...or else : ear fatigue.

The next one holds some promise. Mix is decent. Pretty interesting, and a good vibe up until 4:06. I personally don't like that delayed instrument you add in there...Was hoping for something a little more melodic / chilled out.

keep at it...

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Originally posted by gordan100 It would sound much better with different kick, i agree. It's somehow too lo-fi for the rest of the track imo. Nice bass. Regarding embed from sc... Do you get the overlay window when you click on share button?

Firstly to you 3 guys that feedback about kick - yes it does sound very low-fi n dry doesn't it, I've tried many different kicks so far, the search continues...... I'm finding deeper 909 type kicks take away from the strings in the drop which are the central theme for me.

SOUNDCLOUD ISSUE - so I used to get that overlay screen when click the share button, but now I just get a translucent white screen with no codes or anything to embed. Sent Soundcloud an enquiry about this but all they sent back was a feedback survey asking how I found their service reply to my query!

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Originally posted by gordan100 Thanks I did I'm really very tired from that shit. I will not touch it for a month at least, if ever I was washing my ears with tweaking an old one. Don't know if it's any good, I've overcomplicated in second break i think.

Overall a decent vibe but 3 crits for ya;

Hatz are too loud and distracting me.
Bass jumps out of the mix on certain notes, just needs a little taming.
It's a bit samey after a while, needs some journey.

I see your drums are getting much better now.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Firstly to you 3 guys that feedback about kick - yes it does sound very low-fi n dry doesn't it, I've tried many different kicks so far, the search continues...... I'm finding deeper 909 type kicks take away from the strings in the drop which are the central theme for me. SOUNDCLOUD ISSUE - so I used to get that overlay screen when click the share button, but now I just get a translucent white screen with no codes or anything to embed. Sent Soundcloud an enquiry about this but all they sent back was a feedback survey asking how I found their service reply to my query!

Did you try with different browsers, chrome or edge, i don't know what are you using now?

Thanks TheTerran and Richard for comments. Yeah, i don't like the delayed sound anymore too and bass gets boring quickly. I think that first version of this is still better.

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Originally posted by gordan100 Thanks I did I'm really very tired from that shit. I will not touch it for a month at least, if ever I was washing my ears with tweaking an old one. Don't know if it's any good, I've overcomplicated in second break i think.

Musically, I like this one. Its a style I'd listen to. It has a potential to be very lush yet hypnotic in some elements.

Mix wise - I don't think the stereo imaging is correct. the low mids sound too wide, so they lack the firmness. The pad - it is very "out there" and sounds like it is a bit drowned in reverb and too wide for it's own good, and it just falls out of focus. Perhaps if it had a mono low-end layer added to it would anchor it more.

Not a fan of the delayed bass(not the static one) sound at all but that might just be a matter of taste. I have a feeling that it was supposed to work as a hook, but it just doesn't IMO and frankly it is a boring sound/set of notes.

As I said I like the track, it reminds me of some of Hiroshi Watanabe's older work on Kompakt , and he is one of my all time favorite producers, so there is that.

There, pretty much done with this one.

Even went the whole 9 and upped to youtube for that 192 kbps bitrate.



Cleaned up some artifacts at the very start.

Did some nuancy stuff and synth balancing.

Played with more of the FX noises that come in and out...

Too late now, but if I struggle with bass presets in the future I'm building my own from init. Too used to this bass sound now to switch. Loses power at A#3 @50hz for some reason...just the nature of this bass(es). Did the best I could with some fine frequency tuning, delay / sustain adjustment and more work with the compressor and eq.

Programmed my own 3-layer white noise to mesh in with the whoosh FX I used. I liked the woosh, but I wanted more control. Hopefully I got close enough where it's not distracting.

Added more oomph to downlifter.

Played around with the pads more after the 1st break. Should have a little more going on, but overall I'm keeping the 2nd build-up the way it is. I compensated for the lack of instruments going into the 2nd build-up by hitting the main theme softer, and building up more into the peak before the 2nd break-down.

Added a light array of processing to the master bus.

Multiband Comp. -> Light EQ. -> Vintage tape warmer -> Limiter

Sits at around 6-8 db dynamic range, and I feel like I can turn it up pretty loud before it begins to distort.

Overall I think it turned out alright. I like it at least .

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Originally posted by theterran There, pretty much done with this one. Even went the whole 9 and upped to youtube for that 192 kbps bitrate. Cleaned up some artifacts at the very start. Did some nuancy stuff and synth balancing. Played with more of the FX noises that come in and out... Too late now, but if I struggle with bass presets in the future I'm building my own from init. Too used to this bass sound now to switch. Loses power at A#3 @50hz for some reason...just the nature of this bass(es). Did the best I could with some fine frequency tuning, delay / sustain adjustment and more work with the compressor and eq. Programmed my own 3-layer white noise to mesh in with the whoosh FX I used. I liked the woosh, but I wanted more control. Hopefully I got close enough where it's not distracting. Added more oomph to downlifter. Played around with the pads more after the 1st break. Should have a little more going on, but overall I'm keeping the 2nd build-up the way it is. I compensated for the lack of instruments going into the 2nd build-up by hitting the main theme softer, and building up more into the peak before the 2nd break-down. Added a light array of processing to the master bus. Multiband Comp. -> Light EQ. -> Vintage tape warmer -> Limiter Sits at around 6-8 db dynamic range, and I feel like I can turn it up pretty loud before it begins to distort. Overall I think it turned out alright. I like it at least .

its a really nice tune, music is great, wet fx great, arrangement great

my initial impression is that it just doesn't have enough "omph" for a finished track

clap isn't powerful/loud enough for me

also i find the hats/tops percussion not cutting enough/ loud enough. i just feel like the whole frequency spectrum is not as full as it could be

once my ears get used to it it sounds fine, but its the initial impression that counts in a way. id recommend referencing similar professional tracks when mixing down

IMO IMO

this is still rough as fuck and i know the mix is all over the place and needs loads of work but i like where it is going as a work in progress

doing this kind of music is challenging for me but definitely a direction i want to go in

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Originally posted by chris marsh its a really nice tune, music is great, wet fx great, arrangement great my initial impression is that it just doesn't have enough "omph" for a finished track clap isn't powerful/loud enough for me also i find the hats/tops percussion not cutting enough/ loud enough. i just feel like the whole frequency spectrum is not as full as it could be once my ears get used to it it sounds fine, but its the initial impression that counts in a way. id recommend referencing similar professional tracks when mixing down IMO IMO

Cheers, and appreciate the feedback.

And I definitely reference professional tracks, alot. However, I don't like all professional mixes. Moreover, I accept, and roll with a more antiquated sound. Many tracks from the late 90's early 2000's time period aren't great for modern reference material.

Here's something a little more recent though https://youtu.be/Xl9lQonO_RQ?t=119

Clap is tucked into the mix neatly. Just loud enough to hold the beat, not loud enough to start being obnoxious. Nice, tight clap.

That and many modern mixes are squashed into a brick...I tend to use only a couple layers of light compression to balance and control the sound, so people used to the brick might not like my mixing style. But I don't care, I prefer dynamic range and using my volume knob.

Gonna be hard to gauge the translation without knowing what you listened with, etc...Might be able to analyze the hats a bit better knowing this.

Though, listening to "rough as fuck", I'm finding the opposite occurring for me. When I turn up your mix to listening levels, the high-end sounds harsh and makes my ears ring, also sounds overly compressed...*shrug* Do like the tune though. DnB is 2nd on my list of genres I like most. A bit dark and aggressive. Could use a bit more going on though. Gl with it.

Cheers. Yes the mix is rough and horrible atm and will need a lot of work in fact im sure the master was clipping. Mostly trying to sort out arrangement and making sounds now

While it's great to reference an old sound (i certainly do that too) i feel it's ideal for mixes to compete with more modern material, but that's just imo

I also find it very helpful to reference with a frequency anslyser too When mixing down. Do you fo that too?

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Originally posted by chris marsh Cheers. Yes the mix is rough and horrible atm and will need a lot of work in fact im sure the master was clipping. Mostly trying to sort out arrangement and making sounds now While it's great to reference an old sound (i certainly do that too) i feel it's ideal for mixes to compete with more modern material, but that's just imo I also find it very helpful to reference with a frequency anslyser too When mixing down. Do you fo that too?

Np, wasn't doggin' the mix persay...Only trying to gauge where you were coming from on your feedback. The hardest part of receiving feedback is not knowing the other persons listening environment and mixing tendencies. I've seen mix criticism go either way on the same track before. One guy like, omg too much bass, other dude like, omg not enough bass... So yeah.

My goal would be to take the old-school style of mixing with bigger dynamic range, and bring it into the modern format. Cleaner, sparklier, better...but with dynamics.

Anyway yeah, I actually make pretty liberal use of the frequency analyzer at times, especially for low-end. Still doesn't tell ya everything that's goin' on though...

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Originally posted by chris marsh this is still rough as fuck and i know the mix is all over the place and needs loads of work but i like where it is going as a work in progress doing this kind of music is challenging for me but definitely a direction i want to go in

Ok...Chris, dig this dood but the other comments are correct. Imo the percussion is fine, there is enough snap there to keep some highs however you could bring that ride down a bit as it is sharp
I see what you are doing with that sub bass which is good but the reese needs to come out more with it, instead of treating it like a true mid, bring some lower frequency out and blend it with the sub (which needs to come down in order to make it fit).
As you said, you know it is a rough mix but imo It sounds pretty good and will sound better once you tighten it up.
Has a very Spor sound to it with the backing atmosphere tones. I want to hear this one finished man!

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One of my goals for 2018 is to break out 6 old tracks that were never finished. Lofty goal since a lot of these are two years or older. Pulled this one as I always dug it.
Pre mix and still needs some work but it is getting there.
Any things that stand out I should pay attention to?

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Originally posted by theterran There, pretty much done with this one. Even went the whole 9 and upped to youtube for that 192 kbps bitrate. Cleaned up some artifacts at the very start. Did some nuancy stuff and synth balancing. Played with more of the FX noises that come in and out... Too late now, but if I struggle with bass presets in the future I'm building my own from init. Too used to this bass sound now to switch. Loses power at A#3 @50hz for some reason...just the nature of this bass(es). Did the best I could with some fine frequency tuning, delay / sustain adjustment and more work with the compressor and eq. Programmed my own 3-layer white noise to mesh in with the whoosh FX I used. I liked the woosh, but I wanted more control. Hopefully I got close enough where it's not distracting. Added more oomph to downlifter. Played around with the pads more after the 1st break. Should have a little more going on, but overall I'm keeping the 2nd build-up the way it is. I compensated for the lack of instruments going into the 2nd build-up by hitting the main theme softer, and building up more into the peak before the 2nd break-down. Added a light array of processing to the master bus. Multiband Comp. -> Light EQ. -> Vintage tape warmer -> Limiter Sits at around 6-8 db dynamic range, and I feel like I can turn it up pretty loud before it begins to distort. Overall I think it turned out alright. I like it at least .

its nice i guess, like for an end of set or something, my problem with it is that the kick isnt coming through enough to drive, only listening on my headphones but i suspect too much sub

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Originally posted by chris marsh this is still rough as fuck and i know the mix is all over the place and needs loads of work but i like where it is going as a work in progress doing this kind of music is challenging for me but definitely a direction i want to go in

kick is very plasticky or poppy im not sure it suits the style of the track?

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Originally posted by theterran Np, wasn't doggin' the mix persay...Only trying to gauge where you were coming from on your feedback.

well definitely don't do that by listening to this WIP. i have some finished/mixed tracks in my signature that would be better for that

with the highs. here is a snapshot of your track https://ibb.co/bwZKGm

and the one you posted for reference: https://ibb.co/hNEfNR

so yours is a little dull in the highs by comparison

also agree with EVO on the kick

all the best

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Originally posted by evo8 kick is very plasticky or poppy im not sure it suits the style of the track?

thanks. can you elaborate on what you mean a bit? i quite liked the kick maybe its something that can be fixed when mixing? was trying to get it to sit nicely around 100 hz so room for sub underneath

Ill try out some different kicks maybe its not right

@SystematicX1 thanks mate it does need a lot of work. im struggling with this one, still finding it hard to get jsut a couple of elements working well on there own without much music (ie this type of drum and bass)

spent a ridiculous amount of time on it already feel like chucking it but i guess its worth persisting

will return the favour later on your WIP

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Originally posted by chris marsh this is still rough as fuck and i know the mix is all over the place and needs loads of work but i like where it is going as a work in progress doing this kind of music is challenging for me but definitely a direction i want to go in

Quite interesting work man and believe with some tweaking to your kick (a specially to low end to have more punch in it) it could grow to something pretty cool chris.

Darek

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