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damn, maybe ill try with different kicks samples in the future, not working out right now lol.

using reason.

I layered in another subby kick, just not that good to dial it in I guess.

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Originally posted by szm damn, maybe ill try with different kicks samples in the future, not working out right now lol. using reason. I layered in another subby kick, just not that good to dial it in I guess.

Try to go for something like this:

my headphones have a low dip in the sub so I cant exactly hear it properly but yea that kick sounds clean, love that bass.

Im sure I have a lot more problems than choosing a kick, more-so a structural volume-mix problem somewhere thrown in here and there.

made one last render, was too addicting not to haha.

I haven't been inspired as of the last 6 months or so plus other projects have kept me from music. Started this last night,very chill d&b wip to get my feet wet again

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 I haven't been inspired as of the last 6 months or so plus other projects have kept me from music. Started this last night,very chill d&b wip to get my feet wet again Systemtest � Open Sentiment

Actually, this is pretty good staff man, little work on your hats (a bit to bright for me) and kick (need to have some adjustment to your low end) and then is ready to go

Phil, this is good. It's got fullness and sounds clear.
I also did nothing for the last 6-7 months, or it was so terrible that it was deleted immediately.

MSZ, you are quick at track removing, so i managed to listen only once. Yeah, the start was not spectacular, but after the first break it starts to develop really nicely, recognizable msz style..

Darek, you sound pro, i would like to hear something more experimental or trancey from you


This is just a skeleton, needs more development... i like the gated pad. And nice drum loops i've found

Thanks for the reply. Hope all are well


Gordan, compositionally you could take it a few ways and seems solid. Arrangement and quality of the samples is the area I would question

Thanks Phil. There is no arrangement, it's just a test.

Yeah, compared to commercial stuff, quality of samples are not that smooth. Where do you guys get your samples?

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Originally posted by gordan100 Thanks Phil. There is no arrangement, it's just a test. Yeah, compared to commercial stuff, quality of samples are not that smooth. Where do you guys get your samples?

Myself, I have such a library of sounds that I just simply don't need anymore (unless they just sound so unique that I gotta mess with it)but I have found really good quality one shots with Cymatics & GhostHack. I also have a really good sample pack from Deadmau5 that I use from called Xfer which I know is still floating out there somewhere.
For the most part, I use 90% percussive sample one shots from these packs and use my synths to cover the rest.

I'd also like to point out a little trick that taught me a really good lesson on percussive sequencing. Depending on your DAW (I use Ableton and I swear I am not sure if this is available to other DAW's) I would put a full clip of a percussive sample loop that I found and then right click on that Sample to create a Percussive Midi clip. Now, this does not work on every sample you put in but...there have been times that it captured the full clip into Midi and broke down each part it was using. I then could use these one shot sample packs and literally replace the sample Kick,Snare and other percussive elements including Cymbal's,Knocks,tom rolls,etc.
This allowed me to visually see the progression of the percussion and how it was built. It also gave me the flexibility to re arrange in MIDI the progression of the beat. Instead of a 4 on the floor, I could change it to a 7/4 if I wanted to or eliminate or even add a downbeat.
I originally learned of this by taking a 4 bar loop of an Arpeggio that I liked,converted it to Midi and then altered the sound of the arp and essentially changing it from going up to down in progression and thought "hmm,wonder if this can be done with drums" and walaaa

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Originally posted by gordan100 Phil, this is good. It's got fullness and sounds clear. I also did nothing for the last 6-7 months, or it was so terrible that it was deleted immediately. MSZ, you are quick at track removing, so i managed to listen only once. Yeah, the start was not spectacular, but after the first break it starts to develop really nicely, recognizable msz style.. Darek, you sound pro, i would like to hear something more experimental or trancey from you This is just a skeleton, needs more development... i like the gated pad. And nice drum loops i've found 4th Dimension Club � Star guide for Absolute beginners

yea a bit of a juxtaposition, drum loop saying the prodigy, rest is saying proggy.I think the loop can be used as a fill at some point or an interesting variation.

been tweaking this wip, referencing some track but im still far off no matter what I do, the mid range is muted and the kick has problems still. cant polish turds, need a new mixing style perhaps.

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Originally posted by szm been tweaking this wip, referencing some track but im still far off no matter what I do, the mid range is muted and the kick has problems still. cant polish turds, need a new mixing style perhaps. msz � Dolphinicecream

I like this...and just a suggestion with yours to do away with. But, curious if your "swing" isn't dissolving because of your kick progression. Meaning, if you were to take out the 2nd and 4th kick just going kick,snare,kick,snare instead of kick,kick/snare,kick,kick/snare four on the floor drive.
Dig those pads and the keys add a really nice element. What my ears craved was some separate eq'ing on those higher frequency tones to let the delay you have on that stabby arpy backing tone shine more. I can hear the delay just dripping and just needs a tad bit of a lift. Possibly panned a little left OR right a hair and let the stereo shine a bit.
Your low frequency tones (Sub/Kick) in Mono? I got a little stereo spread there
If I could also suggest adding some side chain compression to that sub to bring that kick out and give it that pulsing ducking tonality.
Just a thought but I will say that this is probably (even though it appears you aren't happy with it) one of your better composition and arrangements. Honestly, with just a little lift on the production side, this could be a really nice track man

agreed with all that, eqing has been a nightmare will try again after a few days rest maybe. I need to do some more tests, im having that midrange problem, will try moar sidechain but I try to cut back on sidechain when I can but I usually cant I guess as i've seen the same critique echo from others regarding that.

sometimes I surprise myself that im able to output anything at all and I get satisfied easily or unable to proceed, but alas that is life.

Serious young WIP and still working out comp but it for some reason it is sticking with me so I'm rolling with it. Don't know exactly what to call it..a mess? lmao
Funk Nouvelle ? 107 bpm lawl


*edit - This edit has a bit more cohesiveness to it
*edit 2 - This is how I want it, slight adjustment but overalll..feeling it better. Bridge time!

ill return in 10 days or so, trying to grab some better speakers maybe I can give some mix feedback then. like the vibe tho.

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Serious young WIP and still working out comp but it for some reason it is sticking with me so I'm rolling with it. Don't know exactly what to call it..a mess? lmao Funk Nouvelle ? 107 bpm lawl *edit - This edit has a bit more cohesiveness to it *edit 2 - This is how I want it, slight adjustment but overalll..feeling it better. Bridge time! Systemtest � Sanajeh

Hi Phil, after few runs of this production what strikes me the most is lack of groove in this WIP, I mean, something which will drive this vibe in it. At this point I believe, bass line would be a good place to start from because I can barely hear it at the moment - melody vise is worth of farther development.

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Hi Phil, after few runs of this production what strikes me the most is lack of groove in this WIP, I mean, something which will drive this vibe in it. At this point I believe, bass line would be a good place to start from because I can barely hear it at the moment - melody vise is worth of farther development. Cheers, Darek

Thanks for that D. You are correct, on that particular bounce I noticed the very thing. Reason being it was saturated by the sub.When I adjusted the sub I noticed that I was still getting some clip on my low freq so I lowered the kick. This specific bounce was about 3 edits ago and a LOT has come (and gone) on with this track. Swing and groove are much more prominent and evident now. I'll throw a revised version later on in the week. Thanks again bud

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Thanks for that D. You are correct, on that particular bounce I noticed the very thing. Reason being it was saturated by the sub.When I adjusted the sub I noticed that I was still getting some clip on my low freq so I lowered the kick. This specific bounce was about 3 edits ago and a LOT has come (and gone) on with this track. Swing and groove are much more prominent and evident now. I'll throw a revised version later on in the week. Thanks again bud

Sounds good Phill, will wait for more development

Here is my new WIP downtempo creation lol (still few things needs to happen) - how that seats with you guys?

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Sounds good Phill, will wait for more development Here is my new WIP downtempo creation lol (still few things needs to happen) - how that seats with you guys? DariusX. � New Chillout 08MAR2021 Cheers, Darek

I will check this out in a few and get back but I did have a question for you D. What Daw do you use?

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 I will check this out in a few and get back but I did have a question for you D. What Daw do you use?

Ableton Live 10

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Ableton Live 10 Darek

Perfect! The reason I asked was that I had a question about the bass tone I am using atm. In Ableton's native Instrument Rack is a prest Bass tone called Juno Oh Bass

This has a HEAVY sub level and a very crisp mid range (with the cutoff maxed as shown in that image)
The problem I am having is I am trying to dilute that sub to go with the mids....it's not draining even with EQ. Should I just go with another sub because,damn.. I love that Juno stabby bass tone but I am almost tempted to cut it all the way out and that mid range is probably being diluted because of it being in mono

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Perfect! The reason I asked was that I had a question about the bass tone I am using atm. In Ableton's native Instrument Rack is a prest Bass tone called Juno Oh Bass This has a HEAVY sub level and a very crisp mid range (with the cutoff maxed as shown in that image) The problem I am having is I am trying to dilute that sub to go with the mids....it's not draining even with EQ. Should I just go with another sub because,damn.. I love that Juno stabby bass tone but I am almost tempted to cut it all the way out and that mid range is probably being diluted because of it being in mono

Yeah, I can see...., at this point what I usually do (if I have a problem which is taking me more than 5 min to resolve) swapping it for another bass sound - so far (almost exclusively) I'm using F9 Toolkit for Ableton V1_47 DX which has quite large selections of different kinds of basses with quite large tonal characteristic scale. Let me know if you need little more info on typo of basses I'm using.

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Yeah, I can see...., at this point what I usually do (if I have a problem which is taking me more than 5 min to resolve) swapping it for another bass sound - so far (almost exclusively) I'm using F9 Toolkit for Ableton V1_47 DX which has quite large selections of different kinds of basses with quite large tonal characteristic scale. Let me know if you need little more info on typo of basses I'm using. Cheers, Darek

I feel ya...a couple of things preventing me. I am leaving Las Vegas at the end of the month. Everything is primarily packed away and I decided to format the machine beforehand that I am doing production on. I got an ounce of inspiration and went to just native ableton plugs for this track because ...lol I have none loaded and didnt want to add additional plugs because of my situation. I guess I wasn't prepared to start making a full on track but it just started progressing and couldn't stop.

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As for your chillout track....HOLY FREAKIN KICK/BASS.
Has a somewhat Patrick Ohearn flair with those back end pads....very cool vibe.
If I had to say anything on a critique level I would say that the Bass and Kick are VERY prominent. The first piano layer almost seemed drowned out by it however when the full piece came in the solo/lead piano shined through. Very cool

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 I feel ya...a couple of things preventing me. I am leaving Las Vegas at the end of the month. Everything is primarily packed away and I decided to format the machine beforehand that I am doing production on. I got an ounce of inspiration and went to just native ableton plugs for this track because ...lol I have none loaded and didnt want to add additional plugs because of my situation. I guess I wasn't prepared to start making a full on track but it just started progressing and couldn't stop. ------------------------ As for your chillout track....HOLY FREAKIN KICK/BASS. Has a somewhat Patrick Ohearn flair with those back end pads....very cool vibe. If I had to say anything on a critique level I would say that the Bass and Kick are VERY prominent. The first piano layer almost seemed drowned out by it however when the full piece came in the solo/lead piano shined through. Very cool

Thanks man, yeah, these combo (kick and bass) by design suppose to be prominent as they need to drive this very melancholic atmosphere, also my fist synth is only use for creating background filler sound. My final sounds level job will be done a bit later in pre-master stage.

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Thanks man, yeah, these combo (kick and bass) by design suppose to be prominent as they need to drive this very melancholic atmosphere, also my fist synth is only use for creating background filler sound. My final sounds level job will be done a bit later in pre-master stage. Cheers, Darek

How are you not clipping I suppose I should ask, would be the better question? I did get a little distortion at higher gains but not a lot actually

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