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Originally posted by szm damn i just listened on speakers, im really sorry for making you listen to that! these iems I have are no good for this. my mixing techniques are so awful lmao. pumping sidechain too much. i'll be looking to upgrade my setup this year regardless, havent decided if I want a sub or 8 inch speakers. i made another mix of that piece on speakers, fucked this one up too.. I layered in a kick, except its phasing because its out of time lmao. the bass is shit I think, and its the crux of the bad mix, and the reverb mids are muddy. im so lazy with everything, not sure if production is for me. ill come back to this stuff when I upgrade my setup, and keep experimenting I guess. i'll be afk for a while, may see u guys in a bit, too many life things happening. <3

Feedback is mostly still the same albeit it does sound better than I remember it sounding before. The drums do sound more dynamic and present.

Please still reduce the bassline by a very significant amount, and reduce the pads/instruments slightly less. They're cool sounds but still overwhelming.

I like the vocal chop in there.

I did not notice phasing on the kick, but maybe that's because I'm on headphones.

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ill come back to this stuff when I upgrade my setup, and keep experimenting I guess. i'll be afk for a while, may see u guys in a bit, too many life things happening. <3

Whatever it is, I hope it is positive or will turn out for the better. Take care

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Originally posted by Storyteller Nice housey start. Gives me those oldschool vibes! Not sure about the mid-ey synth but surely there's a space to fill there. Very catchy groove. Looking forward to an extended version! --------

thnx

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Originally posted by Storyteller Storyteller � 061 - Liquiddnbcrunch Been a few weeks again since I tried something

Finally back home from work to listen proper!

I dig this alot...and would like to hear more. Some mixup/beat-down type work with the drumkit could be pretty cool with this...lotta room to play with that groove, and possibilities for where this could go, for sure.

Mix-wise, the snare hits a scoche hard on my beyers at higher volume...which is about it as far as nitpicking goes.

Gave this a listen...

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Originally posted by theterran

Start feels like I'm entering a 2000ish trance tune , old Paul van Dyk stuff.

A few things that caught my attention; The mix seems ever so slightly bass heavy imo. The panning in hats in the high-end sweeping from left to right was a bit distracting for me. The vocals are sometimes fighting for attention with the lead synth. Nice background melody around 3:20.

Nothing major all in all. Overal an enjoyable listen. I'm left wanting some excitement (maybe double down on effects) here and there? Well done either way!

Purposely taking a break for my ears sake until inspiration hit and that just happened. I've wanted to remix this for over 10 years now but never felt confident enough until now.Funny thing is, I'm on a beach with laptop and headphones and the cloud. Thank god for technology.
Its raw and still needs work but as base work, im feeling it
t.b.c.....

https://soundcloud.com/systematicx1...=social_sharing

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Purposely taking a break for my ears sake until inspiration hit and that just happened. I've wanted to remix this for over 10 years now but never felt confident enough until now.Funny thing is, I'm on a beach with laptop and headphones and the cloud. Thank god for technology. Its raw and still needs work but as base work, im feeling it t.b.c..... https://soundcloud.com/systematicx1...=social_sharing

What track is this?

Beginning is (I assume) mostly from the original. The delay on the vocals is a bit much initially (listening on headphones - might translate better to speakers).

When the drums com in I'm a bit distracted, it feels like a different rythm. When the vocals come in with the rhodes type sounds it sounds really nice.

I like the subtle piano and strings in the background, they should be louder, they're really far back that one would hardly notice - if at all. I'd love to hear that plucky guitar from the beginning under this beat. Is that doable?

Great sounds and solid foundation, I'm currently missing the things that truly excite.

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Originally posted by Storyteller What track is this? Beginning is (I assume) mostly from the original. The delay on the vocals is a bit much initially (listening on headphones - might translate better to speakers). When the drums com in I'm a bit distracted, it feels like a different rythm. When the vocals come in with the rhodes type sounds it sounds really nice. I like the subtle piano and strings in the background, they should be louder, they're really far back that one would hardly notice - if at all. I'd love to hear that plucky guitar from the beginning under this beat. Is that doable? Great sounds and solid foundation, I'm currently missing the things that truly excite.

So this is a track originally from Above & Beyond called Blue Sky Action. 75% is from the Master original. Thing is, there is a TON of instrumentation, vocal and mixed SFX that was not used on the final cut of the original. What I am attempting to do is take those "lost" instruments and re formulate them into a "newer" piece.

I have attempted to put that guitar piece under the drum bed but it wasn't working, hence why it was turned into midi and then a piano hit

Agreed on everything you have said, this was a slightly different bounce that you heard and I have made "some" improvements overall since then but, this is going to be a labor of love, not going to pound this out.

Ah inspiration. For me its up and down. Unfortunately, this motive came from a not so positive place. If you listen to the lyrics, it is not the most inspirational as it talks quite frankly about a guy who is preparing to commit suicide. With that said, an individual at my work took their life recently, which made me think about this song enough to pull it out and give it a shot.

I'm not at home at the moment but if anyone wanted the stems, I could throw them up on the cloud. This is kind of a rare thing as anjunabeats do not do this very often.

mm im back for now, ill comment on a future wip, but im not in a state to give feedback right now, still trying to get some speakers and room dialed in.

I went to check out a few monitors, the only monitors that struck out to me was the adam audio a7v but a bit above my budget, was hoping I would dig the hs8 but it seemed to missing a lot of information the adam audio provided in the mid/side mids. idk, still thinking about it.





back to mucking around with some ideas, this needs some sort of meaty stab or something, and the mix sucks (as always).

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Originally posted by szm mm im back for now, ill comment on a future wip, but im not in a state to give feedback right now, still trying to get some speakers and room dialed in. I went to check out a few monitors, the only monitors that struck out to me was the adam audio a7v but a bit above my budget, was hoping I would dig the hs8 but it seemed to missing a lot of information the adam audio provided in the mid/side mids. idk, still thinking about it. back to mucking around with some ideas, this needs some sort of meaty stab or something, and the mix sucks (as always).

You know the drill . Too bass heavy.

Cool progressions you have going on, I like the bass portamento with the unconventional pattern.

Just fill in the gaps in the drums with some percs, go for drums with just the bass here and there for deep vibes (filter bass down) and you've got some nice things going on

hehe one day ill fix my bass issues. will go for round 2 of studio speaker test on saturday, hope to walk out with something.

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Originally posted by szm mm im back for now, ill comment on a future wip, but im not in a state to give feedback right now, still trying to get some speakers and room dialed in. I went to check out a few monitors, the only monitors that struck out to me was the adam audio a7v but a bit above my budget, was hoping I would dig the hs8 but it seemed to missing a lot of information the adam audio provided in the mid/side mids. idk, still thinking about it. back to mucking around with some ideas, this needs some sort of meaty stab or something, and the mix sucks (as always).

Dig that porta bass line but it seems muffled and cloudy in the mix. I agree with Story on this. Depending on the vibe, you could potentially make this into one long flow.
Monitors...I am really really in debate over that. I believe they are a GREAT tool but the best tool is your ears. My Hs8's truly are only used now for reference as I haven't turned them on in a couple of months now. Sure, at first they were used on every track but I found a lot of things lacking as time went on. Now, my adams are my mains but truly....I could survive without them as they are on the verge of being like my Yamaha's now.
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Yet another remix.This time from a classic. Still trying to work out the composition for this to make it a Liquid D&B track but, it starting to shape up but still needs a lot of work. The base is there though...any suggestions?

sounds pretty amazing to me, vocals sound great. maybe some more mid bass? kick drums maybe a little too tappy

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 ------------------- Yet another remix.This time from a classic. Still trying to work out the composition for this to make it a Liquid D&B track but, it starting to shape up but still needs a lot of work. The base is there though...any suggestions? SystematicX1 � Time Remix

Dunno, arrangement itself sounds fine to me. What do you feel it's missing? Every time I had the thought "Song might benefit from 'insert thing here", you did it shortly after. Example, 1:40, thought "maybe some background interest..."and then that arp came in.

If you want to extend it...I'd say lean into the piano breakdown at 3:00 for a chillout section, rebuild -> repeat main/chorus and add any additional flair, then wrap up.

As it stands now, mix seems to lack a little clarity/oomph...But I'm assuming the final pass should sort it out.

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Originally posted by theterran Dunno, arrangement itself sounds fine to me. What do you feel it's missing? Every time I had the thought "Song might benefit from 'insert thing here", you did it shortly after. Example, 1:40, thought "maybe some background interest..."and then that arp came in. If you want to extend it...I'd say lean into the piano breakdown at 3:00 for a chillout section, rebuild -> repeat main/chorus and add any additional flair, then wrap up. As it stands now, mix seems to lack a little clarity/oomph...But I'm assuming the final pass should sort it out.

Thanks for the feedback guys.
So, the mix is set at a current -3 db because I know more stuff is going to get added. That oomph or lack of is because of that.
Your right, the energy is kinda just blah...I think that is the reason I'm thinking it needs more but, sometimes less is more so I am attempting to work with that mind set.
Final mix will add more strength but the energy , imo on this cut should come from a lead or something more dynamic behind it,and right now I am coming in flat.
I am wondering as well if the VOX isnt off balance volume wise, and these stems are broken up so much that normalization is challenging.

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken @msz maybe start a thread about monitor updates 2024 to get this place moving again, there�s lots of new monitors that I think are good to discuss: Tannoy gold 5-8�, new JBLs, new focals, new genelecs, Eve (from adam), and much more. Monitors are after your ears the most important tool you have.

what are you planning on getting? I mean im not going to invest 4000Cad so I can bang out 8 bar loops.

but if I did I would buy the adam audio a77h 3 way.

only option for me is second hand adam a7x I think.

Im currently running jbl 305p and they are fun to listen to but they are so scooped in directivity. I know the first generation were better in that regard. who gives a shit about frequency response if the sound image is shit.

Something outside my usual. Lotta jamming to Mobitex albums as of late, and I was just like..."Yeah, I would really love to make something like that..."

Nitpicking is welcome of course...Arrangement is definitely going to change and I'm still currently in the process of finding sounds and figuring out where I really want to go with it. Also aware there are quite a few issues that still need sorting out even with what's already there. (Initial stabs sound like they're clipping with 8db headroom -_-)

I'd mostly be interested whether or not I nailed the vibe or not @ 0:32 onward, and if the inclination to hear more is there...

The low-end is intended to be quite thick btw...but it hopefully shouldn't be overbearing or blown out...I actually did put quite a bit of work into honing that in on this initial attempt.

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Originally posted by theterran TheTA � Chillgressive Idea

Nice feel to it, really like your transition at :20 sec mark to the arp.
Sub is deep but the movement is where I would focus. I am taking a guess that if there was a little gap in between the sub notes where it acts more like a chug that a sustaining note, "might" add to that full on cyber chill feel. And yes, I am totally nitpicking. Good stuff!

Thank you! Feedback/nitpicking always appreciated . Only way to improve tbh.

If I'm interpreting the part about the bass correctly...Add more separation into the bass notes to add additional chug/movement?

Did play around with that a little bit, but the addition of the subby pad you can hear in the first 30sec was the result of going in the opposite direction for more of a full/droney bass-line with chugs for accent.

Could try and add in a little more punctuation to the bass itself, but I really want that "warm-blanket-of-bass" kinda feel.

After further review...Sub is still probably a scoche heavy, and could do with some further tightening up...But I personally feel it's right there in the ball-park this time, and I'll deal with it towards the end.

Also...To take what you said a different way...some removal of 1 or 2 of the 1/8th notes really had quite a big impact on the movement as well. Bit of swing added, and I think I dig it even more now

Alright...second go around. I don't know about how I am feeling after the changes. I feel like I may have lost something and contemplating shortening it. I will say this mix is better but again, I feel something is lost in the dynamic range.

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Alright...second go around. I don't know about how I am feeling after the changes. I feel like I may have lost something and contemplating shortening it. I will say this mix is better but again, I feel something is lost in the dynamic range. SystematicX1 � Time Remix

Gonna be rich coming from me...but...I think there's too much bass in this particular mix...more specifically, sub-bass.

Likely the sub overworking any final compression / eating up your headroom/dynamics.

Can really hear it at 0:51. Upper-midrange plucks sound uncomfortably compressed.

As for nitpicking...Sub itself has some funkyness from what I can hear...1:08 on the upper C, there's some unpleasant mid-range resonance, and then the bass practically disappears when it octaves down...Guessing it's near, or below the 20hz mark...as even my 11" sub (which I've response tested down to 11hz) struggled a little to play that note. A trick I've resorted to recently for low-low bass, is to run a separate, 1 osc. pure sine-wave, dedicated to that one low note. You're not really getting much detail in that frequency range anyhow...

Still think the arrangement sounds natural...But, ye gotta go with your own gut feelings and intuition regardless of what anyone says I think.

Last bit of nit-pickery is some funky-ness with the vocals starting @ ~2:28. Seems like the samples are cutting each-other off, and the lyrical phrases aren't being concisely finished / border on timing error. Can finish her phra-if you can find the time.

Do enjoy your DnB tracks though! Sorry if that all seems overly critical...Your compositions and ideas from what I've heard are always on point. I wouldn't try to second guess yourself or over-analyze too much...Ultimately, it's gotta sit right with you.

Here's hoping you can get it to a place *you* are happy with

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Originally posted by theterran Gonna be rich coming from me...but...I think there's too much bass in this particular mix...more specifically, sub-bass. Likely the sub overworking any final compression / eating up your headroom/dynamics. Can really hear it at 0:51. Upper-midrange plucks sound uncomfortably compressed. As for nitpicking...Sub itself has some funkyness from what I can hear...1:08 on the upper C, there's some unpleasant mid-range resonance, and then the bass practically disappears when it octaves down...Guessing it's near, or below the 20hz mark...as even my 11" sub (which I've response tested down to 11hz) struggled a little to play that note. A trick I've resorted to recently for low-low bass, is to run a separate, 1 osc. pure sine-wave, dedicated to that one low note. You're not really getting much detail in that frequency range anyhow... Still think the arrangement sounds natural...But, ye gotta go with your own gut feelings and intuition regardless of what anyone says I think. Last bit of nit-pickery is some funky-ness with the vocals starting @ ~2:28. Seems like the samples are cutting each-other off, and the lyrical phrases aren't being concisely finished / border on timing error. Can finish her phra-if you can find the time. Do enjoy your DnB tracks though! Sorry if that all seems overly critical...Your compositions and ideas from what I've heard are always on point. I wouldn't try to second guess yourself or over-analyze too much...Ultimately, it's gotta sit right with you. Here's hoping you can get it to a place *you* are happy with

Thanks for that man...I just re upp'd a new version and you were spot on and I did a big adjustment with a saturation plug I had on one of the mid bass channels.
Vocal's got a clean up to, spot on again. Yea, this is why we nit pick...lmao Thnx!
*note the cleanup exposed some cut spots on where I chopped the vox...on second listening, I will need to clean that up

After some concentrated effort...an intro!



Feeling tentatively good about this tune...And I feel no sense of writer's block as of yet...

Also managed to fix the stabs woohoo. Don't have to start over from init...or scrap the whole thing altogether!

Oh, and youtube added the crackle at the start...might need to give it a few ms of silence or something...not sure why it does that sometimes -_-

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Originally posted by theterran After some concentrated effort...an intro! Feeling tentatively good about this tune...And I feel no sense of writer's block as of yet... Also managed to fix the stabs woohoo. Don't have to start over from init...or scrap the whole thing altogether! Oh, and youtube added the crackle at the start...might need to give it a few ms of silence or something...not sure why it does that sometimes -_-

Ain't it the best feeling when tracks just move the way you want them and flow how you want it to.

Dig the groove. Dig the arp....and the back gated vox flows really nice. Like how you use that filter to in/out the movement and accentuates the arp.
IF I had anything to add I would say maybe using a little ducking on that bassline, could give it some breathing in/outs. A heavy attacked side chain could possibly really change how it breathes.

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Ain't it the best feeling when tracks just move the way you want them and flow how you want it to. Dig the groove. Dig the arp....and the back gated vox flows really nice. Like how you use that filter to in/out the movement and accentuates the arp. IF I had anything to add I would say maybe using a little ducking on that bassline, could give it some breathing in/outs. A heavy attacked side chain could possibly really change how it breathes.

Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely be giving the low end a more thorough pass as it comes to the final mix-down. I plan on really dialing everything in for this one.

This , more than likely won't see the light of day. Who knows...maybe someday. This has to be completed by tomorrow and throwing this out as a final pre production bounce before it goes to mix.
Might be one or two elemental adds but for the most part...in form, this is it.
Not sure if anyone will catch it before it goes down but if you had thoughts, I would love to get it.

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