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Originally posted by SystematicX1 This , more than likely won't see the light of day. Who knows...maybe someday. This has to be completed by tomorrow and throwing this out as a final pre production bounce before it goes to mix. Might be one or two elemental adds but for the most part...in form, this is it. Not sure if anyone will catch it before it goes down but if you had thoughts, I would love to get it. SystematicX1 � 4KASSB1

Suppose up front...Not sure what "going to mix" entails...Is this a foundation for something else? Is someone else going to mix/master this?

Feedback at face value : Intro synth strings seemed a bit ehhh. Piano is nice. Like the bubbly synths underneath at 0:40 and am digging the tone more after this point.

Like that effect at 1:06.

False buildups are always fun.

Good sound to me 1:30...Sounds nice, clean, crisp and punchy. Happily turned up volume. Mix sounds all good on my setup .

Musical nitpicking : Melodic line at 1:40 seems a little...bland, I suppose. *Should* be a little more interesting than it is imo, as the song kinda builds into it...ngl, felt a little let down here...B/A, C#/A...repeat...meh. Almost gets interesting when it travels down, which I felt was the more interesting path for it to go... but then it makes a u-turn back up. Line that follows would seem more ok, if line that preceded it was a little more interesting musically.

Does kinda lack something to tie everything together though...Maybe vocals? Are vocals being added to this? Some main-line melodic phrasing/elements to seal the deal...Synth at 2:14 still not really doin' it for me personally, but eh...chalk it up to personal taste.

Like the complex sequence/blend of sounds going into 2:40.

Overall, sounds good though. Best of luck! And of course, it's not like I'm putting out any big hits...so... grain of salt and all that...

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Originally posted by theterran Suppose up front...Not sure what "going to mix" entails...Is this a foundation for something else? Is someone else going to mix/master this? Feedback at face value : Intro synth strings seemed a bit ehhh. Piano is nice. Like the bubbly synths underneath at 0:40 and am digging the tone more after this point. Like that effect at 1:06. False buildups are always fun. Good sound to me 1:30...Sounds nice, clean, crisp and punchy. Happily turned up volume. Mix sounds all good on my setup . Musical nitpicking : Melodic line at 1:40 seems a little...bland, I suppose. *Should* be a little more interesting than it is imo, as the song kinda builds into it...ngl, felt a little let down here...B/A, C#/A...repeat...meh. Almost gets interesting when it travels down, which I felt was the more interesting path for it to go... but then it makes a u-turn back up. Line that follows would seem more ok, if line that preceded it was a little more interesting musically. Does kinda lack something to tie everything together though...Maybe vocals? Are vocals being added to this? Some main-line melodic phrasing/elements to seal the deal...Synth at 2:14 still not really doin' it for me personally, but eh...chalk it up to personal taste. Like the complex sequence/blend of sounds going into 2:40. Overall, sounds good though. Best of luck! And of course, it's not like I'm putting out any big hits...so... grain of salt and all that...

So, yea this cut isn't mixed and basically I get it set how I want everything to sit in the mix, and then I start the cuts to -3 db for final and Mastering following up.

In agreement with the tonality and structure of that mid. As it stands it is 5 different notch filters all working about 10 different oscillator's lol. Overkill? lol I'm honestly over it...battled that the most

With this particular track it is a rather personal one with some emotional ties. Not going to lie, it's for someone and that is probably where it will stay.

Thanks for pickins ,appreciate that!

Early stages, rough cut. No mix (cut to -3 db so turn up the volume). Pretty much still conceptual with minimal arrangement

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Early stages, rough cut. No mix (cut to -3 db so turn up the volume). Pretty much still conceptual with minimal arrangement SystematicX1 � RB1

Sounds like a good conceptual start to me!

Best of luck!

Thanks man!!
Trying to keep this thread going....
So, here is something a little different in approach.
Instead of posting questions on production value, I don't see to many conversations about composition and arrangement.
I have to put this cut on private because it will get flagged in the first seconds if I didn't
Another remix....One Republic>Dave Guetta>Me and of course rolling with a D&B vibe
This is early going. About an hour to be exact and I am posting this now because I want to hear your ideas in formulating this track.
For starters I have laid down the basics
Kick
Snare
High Hat (Closed)
Shaker
Mid Bass
Sub
Piano Steinway
Piano Electro
Strings Cello - Staccato
Strings - Sustained
Vox
SFX
In it's current form, I do believe that I could cut out a few "dead" spots however, I am curious if I should go the minimal approach or...should I really build into this.
Vocal chops are just at a situating point, I know there are areas that are slower or faster and going against the flow of the song. This will be a gradual adjustment
Thoughts..

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Thanks man!! Trying to keep this thread going.... Instead of posting questions on production value, I don't see to many conversations about composition and arrangement.

All good...And I *have* tried that here, explicitly asking for such...but apparently it's not as easy to give such critique versus mix feedback.

I'll give your tune a listen and get back when I've got a little free time to spare.

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 So, here is something a little different in approach. Instead of posting questions on production value, I don't see to many conversations about composition and arrangement. In it's current form, I do believe that I could cut out a few "dead" spots however, I am curious if I should go the minimal approach or...should I really build into this. Vocal chops are just at a situating point, I know there are areas that are slower or faster and going against the flow of the song. This will be a gradual adjustment Thoughts.. SystematicX1 � I Don't Want To Wait - David Guetta One Republic Remix

And yeah, I think a solution to what you've brought up...is to indicate which kind of feedback is desired...else, where is one supposed to focus feedback, on a work in progress? Clearly the thing's not done yet, so where' the point of focus? Mix? Arrangement? To me, that seems like something that'd ideally be indicated by the one posting the tune...

And musicality is tough...picking on mixes, seems much easier :P.

Firstly, I think the foundation is great. Your sound selection and mixing is great. But I don't think the vocals really fit rhythmically. Yeah, sure, vocal chopping might help a bit...but I have my doubts on whether it'd ever truly sound natural / cohesive. Slapping down 130bpm four on the floor vocals, on top of a 172bpm off-beat DnB loop seems like a rough place to start and more like a challenge than anything to me . (And, again, a ton of vocal chopping effort...)

To try and diverge from my typical critical feedback, I think drawing attention to your own motivations, and vision for this piece (and maybe pieces in general) might be more ideal. Honing in on what exactly it is you're trying to convey with the track...and where your priorities dwell. Is it in your own personal satisfaction as artist/listener? Are you looking to create a satisfying experience for others? Is this purely for the sake of challenge?

And what kind of story/mood/vibe are you trying to convey? It did start off as a club/dance tune, and has quite a bit of energy in that format.

Maybe, try giving it a listen or two...both passively, and actively outside of your workspace...And do so as if you were a random listener, running across the thing on either spotify, youtube, etc...

I really think that answering those questions, might dig into some of the more useful insights for what you're trying to achieve musically.

As it stands...I think the tune severely lacks in the energy department...mostly due to the many false builds. I mean, it takes a full 2:20 until the full beat finally hits, and it does so without any sort of audio cues. If, it's designed for the listener, then you can't go wrong with the typical arranging format. 8-bar lead-in, 8 bar intro, 8 bar buildup, let 'er rip, 16 bars, release, chorus / variation, rebuild, etc...

damn system, that rb1 track is probably the best track ive heard posted on tranceaddict, amazing stuff.

I dont have any feedback, I dont think u need it tho. for that guetta remix, I'd suggest making some sort of hook tied to sound design, im not sure because you can take it so many ways with a small detailed re-aligned here or there, maybe I can give feedback after u finish it.

another loop with me, musically not very good, hopefully the bass sounds good at least? lemme guess, too strong bass?

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Originally posted by theterran And yeah, I think a solution to what you've brought up...is to indicate which kind of feedback is desired...else, where is one supposed to focus feedback, on a work in progress? Clearly the thing's not done yet, so where' the point of focus? Mix? Arrangement? To me, that seems like something that'd ideally be indicated by the one posting the tune... And musicality is tough...picking on mixes, seems much easier :P. Firstly, I think the foundation is great. Your sound selection and mixing is great. But I don't think the vocals really fit rhythmically. Yeah, sure, vocal chopping might help a bit...but I have my doubts on whether it'd ever truly sound natural / cohesive. Slapping down 130bpm four on the floor vocals, on top of a 172bpm off-beat DnB loop seems like a rough place to start and more like a challenge than anything to me . (And, again, a ton of vocal chopping effort...) To try and diverge from my typical critical feedback, I think drawing attention to your own motivations, and vision for this piece (and maybe pieces in general) might be more ideal. Honing in on what exactly it is you're trying to convey with the track...and where your priorities dwell. Is it in your own personal satisfaction as artist/listener? Are you looking to create a satisfying experience for others? Is this purely for the sake of challenge? And what kind of story/mood/vibe are you trying to convey? It did start off as a club/dance tune, and has quite a bit of energy in that format. Maybe, try giving it a listen or two...both passively, and actively outside of your workspace...And do so as if you were a random listener, running across the thing on either spotify, youtube, etc... I really think that answering those questions, might dig into some of the more useful insights for what you're trying to achieve musically. As it stands...I think the tune severely lacks in the energy department...mostly due to the many false builds. I mean, it takes a full 2:20 until the full beat finally hits, and it does so without any sort of audio cues. If, it's designed for the listener, then you can't go wrong with the typical arranging format. 8-bar lead-in, 8 bar intro, 8 bar buildup, let 'er rip, 16 bars, release, chorus / variation, rebuild, etc...

Man...you have such a way of critiquing. Very insightful and appreciated....seriously.

So, I have bounced a new updated version. I haven't had much time to work but a clearer more defined version is available.

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Originally posted by szm damn system, that rb1 track is probably the best track ive heard posted on tranceaddict, amazing stuff. I dont have any feedback, I dont think u need it tho. for that guetta remix, I'd suggest making some sort of hook tied to sound design, im not sure because you can take it so many ways with a small detailed re-aligned here or there, maybe I can give feedback after u finish it. another loop with me, musically not very good, hopefully the bass sounds good at least? lemme guess, too strong bass?

Ok man...Back at ya SZM. Ya know man...this is really good shit right here actually.
I think with a ever so slight adjustment on that sub , maybe just EQ and actually cut a little bit. No big at all. Or...
Side chain it to the kick? Get some pulse rolling?

Your filter transitioning is really good man, freakin love it.
If I had any suggestion. Lose the Housey percussion sample...lol
Ok...lol that is a personal opinion of mine solely. I have a similar sample and I have always hated that housey high hat style..lol
This has a lot of energy and character
Naw dood...you need to go with this man. THIS is a banger in waiting,seriously. Not just saying that either

I can see congruency in that track with some tracks I admire in other genres so thus why I said that.

its all personal preference at the end of the day, I have a softspot for dnb, one of my favs. this is an old seba tune, and the production is not up to snuff to todays standards, but its still very moving.



going back to the guetta remix, I dont want to influence anything; you seem to be cooking, I may even retract the hook sentiment now that I heard more. I can even see it heavily swayed into a more orchestral piece, chilled down a bit. but you know what you're doing, its interesting watching the progress.

btw agreed with the feedback on my wip, gotta remove those shit toms. I can do better, I need some good melodic elements. Im still cooking with my production setup, Im gonna get there eventually lol, then maybe get more serious about completing music. I have some ideas though.

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Originally posted by SystematicX1

Much better arrangement overall on this one imho.

Still sticking to what I said in the previous comment though...Though the slicing is much better, there's some sections that still sound quite forced/out of synch imho. And I don't think this would be quite at the level of nitpicking, yet...It definitely stands out, and clashes with the beat/groove quite a bit.

Still been relentlessly picking away at this one...and really enjoying the process.

Link off my gdrive in .flac, so as not to sacrifice any audio fidelity or have any of the streaming services reprocess bitrate, and/or the LUFS. It's exactly as I hear it in my sequencer, without excuses.

--Chillgressive Idea

Lotta little changes...can hear that the low-end still needs some work. Lot left to be done! But I think it's turning out well so far.

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Originally posted by theterran Still been relentlessly picking away at this one...and really enjoying the process. Link off my gdrive in .flac, so as not to sacrifice any audio fidelity or have any of the streaming services reprocess bitrate, and/or the LUFS. It's exactly as I hear it in my sequencer, without excuses. --Chillgressive Idea Lotta little changes...can hear that the low-end still needs some work. Lot left to be done! But I think it's turning out well so far.

Very spacey very dreamy. Felt like I was entering Tron lol.
Suggestion ....Side chain da crap outta this track ! DUCKING FTW!
Fun piece ya got here man!


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ah man I am just a remixing fool lately..
https://soundcloud.com/systematicx1...=social_sharing

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Very spacey very dreamy. Felt like I was entering Tron lol. Suggestion ....Side chain da crap outta this track ! DUCKING FTW! Fun piece ya got here man! ---------------------- ah man I am just a remixing fool lately.. https://soundcloud.com/systematicx1...=social_sharing

Thanks for the feedback! Hope things are going well with your current WIP.

I definitely gave your prior feedback for sidechain some consideration, and tried tinkering around with it...but it sounds rather unpleasant if I dig in any further. With what's going on compared to zero side-chain, it's definitely a night and day difference.

Here's a visual of the current sidechain, for reference : https://imgur.com/7mfdjYb

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I like the arrangement of what you linked...nice intro for sure.

Expected vocoded samples to transition into clean, and was not disappointed. Mighta been interesting to automate/blend them in that way as the intro progressed / kicked off.

Slicing/chops were definitely on-point with this one...and nothing else really stuck out to me arrangement-wise.

Enjoyable, for sure. And I definitely like laid back dnb mixes.

Will say though... The mix currently sounds as if done with fatigued ears...Mids / upper-mids and highs are pushed a bit hard.

Might be worth giving the 'ol ears some rest and revisiting later for some necessary EQ adjustments / before you do the final mix-down.

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Originally posted by theterran Thanks for the feedback! Hope things are going well with your current WIP. I definitely gave your prior feedback for sidechain some consideration, and tried tinkering around with it...but it sounds rather unpleasant if I dig in any further. With what's going on compared to zero side-chain, it's definitely a night and day difference. Here's a visual of the current sidechain, for reference : https://imgur.com/7mfdjYb ____________________________________________________________ I like the arrangement of what you linked...nice intro for sure. Expected vocoded samples to transition into clean, and was not disappointed. Mighta been interesting to automate/blend them in that way as the intro progressed / kicked off. Slicing/chops were definitely on-point with this one...and nothing else really stuck out to me arrangement-wise. Enjoyable, for sure. And I definitely like laid back dnb mixes. Will say though... The mix currently sounds as if done with fatigued ears...Mids / upper-mids and highs are pushed a bit hard. Might be worth giving the 'ol ears some rest and revisiting later for some necessary EQ adjustments / before you do the final mix-down.

Thanks! And yep, this was the first test bounce and I very much agree. Took notice
On the ride in as well, and man�.talk about a lethargic kick presence.
Much work needed.
First track I�ve been working on in awhile as I have officially become a restaurant owner
And it has taken my life away lol

Thanks for the advice!

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 First track I�ve been working on in awhile as I have officially become a restaurant owner And it has taken my life away lol

Best of luck! Tough industry, that one...

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Originally posted by theterran Much better arrangement overall on this one imho. Still sticking to what I said in the previous comment though...Though the slicing is much better, there's some sections that still sound quite forced/out of synch imho. And I don't think this would be quite at the level of nitpicking, yet...It definitely stands out, and clashes with the beat/groove quite a bit.

Agree with above statement but dynamics is pretty good so far.

Cheers,

Darek

My latest WIP

Just to keep this thread alive I will post my latest WIP - let me know how this sound

Cheers,

Darek

Re: My latest WIP

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Just to keep this thread alive I will post my latest WIP - let me know how this sound Cheers, Darek DariusX. � Chillout WIP 01SEP2024

Yo D!
Ok...
I believe the Bassline is a target. It has a very distinct movement.So distinct that it almost commands a full attention. Right now, the piano stabs are competing. Suggestion, push the piano to the back of the mix, Let it be heard,naturally but only as an accompaniment.
The Vox is a pleasant surprise.Didn't expect it actually. Perhaps a couple of chops to introduce a bit sooner?
Over all I dig the vibe. I think the Vocals and Bassline are your targets focus on this cut. Put everything in the back..lol my two cents


Almost there...keep having to push my sub back and almost tempted to call it with this but...
https://soundcloud.com/systematicx1...=social_sharing

Re: Re: My latest WIP

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Almost there...keep having to push my sub back and almost tempted to call it with this but... https://soundcloud.com/systematicx1...=social_sharing

Nice...Dig it. Like the arrangement, jammed all the way through. Very groovy and held my interest through the whole thing.

The rest of this is just nitpicking :

Piano sounds kinda thin in the intro. Unsure if filtering is being applied, or if that's the result of a piano EQ'd to the mix being presented by itself.

If it's a filter being applied, I'd consider bringing it into a more full-bodied piano a little quicker. If that's the result of it simply being by itself...then I might go the extra mile and make a clone of it, and run it EQ'd for solo, just for the intro...

Or, do the latter idea, as well as using a quick filter-in.

Overall mix sounds nice and balanced. Percussion a little hot for my personal taste, but doesn't sound harsh in this rendition and it's nothing a listener's EQ couldn't fix. (Had to nip a couple db of treble on my hi-fi system)

Sub sounds ok to me on both systems. Kick comes through well, but wish it had a teensy more thump to it. Second note of the bass-line on that B, seems to lack a bit of that low-end energy compared to the notes that come before/after.

The vocals cut a bit hard in certain spots, frequency-wise...Might be the plosives...Very apparent at the clip where it's yelled "I'll be waiting higher for your love" @ around 2:38. Seems to be coming from around the 6khz range, and not by much...maybe a db or two. A little nip there, seems to sort it out.

Best of luck! I do like it.

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Almost there...keep having to push my sub back and almost tempted to call it with this but... https://soundcloud.com/systematicx1...=social_sharing

Thanks Phil, not my cup of tee but sounded really interesting and catchy. Dynamics is pretty good and levels are quite well established. One thing I would suggest is to take a bit of high end in your master EQ to make it sound a bit more polished and easy to listen (it is a bit on bright side).

Cheers,

Darek

Yep...I had a feeling so...d S'd it a little
T.T. - The Vox mention you pointed out. It's true, unfortunately this VOX sample was not Dry and had very little control over it. I didn't quite understand why it did that until I listened yesterday to the original mix. The transition is fast on the original and transitions into the weird sounding effect from the first word to the next. Really odd and the only thing I could do was add a pan to it to somehow make it seem natural.
Noted as well on the kick

Thanks for the input fellas. Think this is the final cut on this one.

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Thanks for the input fellas. Think this is the final cut on this one. SystematicX1 � Jauz - Higher For Your Love (SystematicX1 Remix) @jauzofficial #hfylremix

I think so too. Pretty much spot on imho. Everything sounds nice...well done.

Even got me motivated to go and fix the low-end for the one I'm working on...been procrastinating, as it's a real pain unhooking everything and dragging the PC into the more low-end suitable room. (Room is sadly not good for anything else though...)

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