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ordered some new pairs of ER20s but anyone tried or use Alpine MusicSafe Natural Sound Professional Musician's Ear Plugs?

What???/

SPEAK UP!!!


Just kidding.


About 2 years ago, I started using the Shure E2Cs to DJ (Thanks to Robert Stern..)

I immediately realized how much better my hearing was after shows. No ringing, no buzzing.

I realized that because of them, I didn't turn up the sound on the mixer as high because they were cutting out so much of the ambient noise when I was playing.

I do feel nervous about being in clubs now when Im not playing. I am definitely getting a pair of earplugs.

Thanks for the info guys.

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Originally posted by rizo ordered some new pairs of ER20s but anyone tried or use Alpine MusicSafe Natural Sound Professional Musician's Ear Plugs?

Haven't tried those, but I did try the Hocks NoiseBreakers once...they're advertised to attenuate the volume automatically, the louder the noise is, the more is reflected out of the filter, if there's less noise then the filters bring in most of the sound. In theory, one could go from a 120db nightclub to the patio outside and hear everyone just fine without taking the ear filters out.

Sounds great, but they don't work. I pulled them out of my ears after about 15 mins. and replaced with Hearos foam plugs. Apparently all frequencies aren't attenuated the same, and the bass seems to be amplified, so all you hear is bass. Outside, they didn't work well either, had to take them out to hear people talking.

I'm sticking with the Hearos foam 32db plugs. I seem to hear most all of the music using them when the music is super loud, but they do bother me some when talking outside (I can actually hear people fine, but it's difficult to judge how own voice sounds). Takes me awhile to put them in my ears and get a good fit, so I usually leave them in the whole night. I've tried most everything else and really haven't found anything better.

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Originally posted by rizo ordered some new pairs of ER20s but anyone tried or use Alpine MusicSafe Natural Sound Professional Musician's Ear Plugs?

If Im correct, I saw Armin and Ferry sporting thes the last time they were out.. they could be a different version, but look similar to the ones they were wearing.

I believe DuvDev from Infected Mushroom has a pair also, that I saw him stick in his ears on our float during LF last year.

I kept trying to figure out what they were, and forgot to ask Armin what they were that he was using the night he played at Ruby the 2nd to the last time he was out. Both me and my friend Stanley were wondering if he even heard how loud it was, because it was really, really loud.

I may get a pair of these, bein at the club every weekend is definitely taking a toll on my ears, I always try to bring my plugs, but the foam ones that sorta mimic these things that I rip the blue wire out dont really cut it.

Why isn't this thread a sticky?

I'm getting fit for a pair Westone ES49's later this week. They use the same filter as the Etymotic's. For those that have the Westone or Etymotic's, do you like the 15 or 25 dB filters. I'm afraid the 25dB will be too much attenuation and I will be pulling them out. Seems like it would be hard to talk to people with the 25's also.

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Originally posted by GPC Why isn't this thread a sticky? I'm getting fit for a pair Westone ES49's later this week. They use the same filter as the Etymotic's. For those that have the Westone or Etymotic's, do you like the 15 or 25 dB filters. I'm afraid the 25dB will be too much attenuation and I will be pulling them out. Seems like it would be hard to talk to people with the 25's also.

agree, this should be a sticky somewhere in the forum,
or maybe was looking in the wrong place

was looking for the custom mold ear plugs
thank you for the info and the link in2muzikk

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Originally posted by GPC Why isn't this thread a sticky? I'm getting fit for a pair Westone ES49's later this week. They use the same filter as the Etymotic's. For those that have the Westone or Etymotic's, do you like the 15 or 25 dB filters. I'm afraid the 25dB will be too much attenuation and I will be pulling them out. Seems like it would be hard to talk to people with the 25's also.

i would go with the 25s, most clubs/festivals have their sound jacked up so high that 15db will only slow the hearing damage. mine are supposedly 20db and i wouldn't mind another 5.

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Originally posted by in2muzikk ...although tissue provides virtually no sound attenuation, from what I've read. All clubs and loud events should be required to sell earplugs at a reasonable price, period. That's really only the effective solution.... {Source: Hearnet.com} October 9,2002 Entertainment Commission Hearing: Earplug Ordinance for San Francisco Entertainment Clubs Resolution was passed and sent before the full Board of San Francisco Supervisors [Amend Police Code Sections 1060.28 and 1070.27 ] Ordinance amending San Francisco Police Code Section 1060.28 and 1070.27 to require places of entertainment and after hours premises with a dance floor and a capacity of 500 persons or more to provide or sell at a reasonable cost earplugs to patrons. Looks like SF has things covered, it should be law everywhere else as well!

Not really! Everytime I go to 1015, I cannot find a [air of earplugs to save my life, for sale or free! Whilst when I am @ Ruby Skye, any bartender or bouncer I ask simply gives them to me! WTF is up with 1015 being against ear plugs? MOst SF clubs seel earplugs!! C'mon 1015, get with the program!

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Originally posted by TommyfromLA Why would u go to an music event and take ear plugs????? Its like going to a restaurant and ordering an empty plate

i feel like this belongs here

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Originally posted by JoNMiTz i feel like this belongs here

i feel like that's the most retarded analogy ever drawn on this forum.

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Originally posted by R!CH i feel like that's the most retarded analogy ever drawn on this forum.

I got my Westones in and tried them out for the first time this weekend and the deliver as promised. Everything sounds completely natural just reduced in volume and being a bit of an audiophile, this is critical to me. I've tried the Etymotic Research ER-20's and the Hearos High Fidelity plugs in the past and always took them out after about 10 minutes because the music sounded so bad. I got the 25dB filters but I think that might be too much as music was just a little too quite although by the end of the night it seemed fine. Nice thing is the filters are very easy to remove so I can buy the 15dB filters and pop them into the earplugs. For the first time in along time, my ears aren't ringing monday morning after a weekend of clubbing.

bump. got new ear plugs for miami. er-20s still

I must have super ears. I can't remember the last time I left a club/venue with my ears ringing. Seriously. The last time I can honestly remember is when I saw Armin and Markus played at the Henry Fonda Theater in LA in 2004. Wow, was the sound there aweful.

It must've done something to my ears, because befoer that if I was near a badly tuned system in SF, my ears would be ringing so bad I had a hard time hearing myself talk for a good day. Oh the days when Ten15 sound was scary loud lol.

I've been around badly tuned setups since then of course, but that's honestly the last time I left a place and noticed my ears were ringing.

Added HearUSA to the list of audiology locations. It's a nationwide network and a TA friend of mine got his custom Musician earplugs fitted there.

I hope I didn't overlook something here but that was alot of reading =P but is there such a thing or someone working on something that's like a reverse hearing aid? I think that would be fricken awesome! or is a reverse hearing aid something more of science fiction?

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Originally posted by Nexxus I hope I didn't overlook something here but that was alot of reading =P but is there such a thing or someone working on something that's like a reverse hearing aid? I think that would be fricken awesome! or is a reverse hearing aid something more of science fiction?

Yes, they do exist:

http://www.hearingresearch.org/Dr.Ross/Tinnitus.htm

Hyperacousis

Often, tinnitus does not appear alone, but in combination with hyperacousis, which is defined as an extreme sensitivity to environmental sounds. Some authorities believe that it may be the phobic reaction to the tinnitus that is primarily responsible for the acute sensitivity to sound, which then develops into hyperacousis. People with this problem may be reluctant to leave their homes because of their fear of being suddenly exposed to intolerably (for them) loud sounds. They may use earplugs or earmuffs to "protect" their hearing. Indeed, ten years ago I described in this journal a "reverse" hearing aid designed to reduce environmental sounds for people with hyperacousis. According to the rationale underlying TRT, these "remedial" steps were exactly the wrong procedure to use with such people. Instead of protecting them, all it does is increase their fear and anxiety about sound exposures.

~~~~~~

But, I believe such "reverse hearing aids" are used in normal volume situations like restaurants, at home, etc. Apparently they don't work so well then either.

A problem with trying to use something like this at a nightclub would be getting a good seal with the ear. Properly fitted foam earplugs form a sealed barrier that attenuates or reduces the volume. A foam earplug with an attenuation rating of 32-33db is the strongest ear protection you can get without wearing external earmuffs. Depending on how loud the sound is, this level of protection may or may not be enough. If it's not, unfortunately there's no way that any kind of hearing aid (which is not as tightly sealed) could do any better.

New iPhone SPL (Sound Pressure Level) Meter Apps!

I recently watched a YouTube video about Paul van Dyk's new iPhone DJ App (not available in the US yet as of this time), one feature of which was a sound meter. It actually turns out that the iPhone can be used as a fairly reliable sound meter!

I found several links to other iPhone sound meters that are currently available, so will list them below. Please keep in mind the following if you decide to get one:

• Apparently due to iPhone hardware limitations, clipping occurs when the sound level reaches 105db(C) or roughly 85db(A). As many nightclubs exceed this level, the meter may max out at 105db(C)/85db(A) when used at clubs.
  
  
• Accuracy of the meter depends on the iPhone's internal microphone. There's a calibration setting included with all of these SPL meters to adjust, but it's recommended to calibrate against a professionally calibrated meter before using.
  
  
• These meters are not up to ANSI professional standards (we're talking the iPhone here!), but I have read a number of reviews from people with $2,000+ professional meters that the iPhone reading is with 1.5-2db of the professional meter once it has been calibrated!
  

bas, sticky please!

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Originally posted by DaveT I must have super ears. I can't remember the last time I left a club/venue with my ears ringing.

I felt like this after I saw Armin at Ruby last year... You were there, The sound was way too loud tho that time. Maybe it was just the booth monitors? Kinda lasted 2 days

And yes I remember the days over at 10 when the sound was louder than shit.

This time around, 10 has some tuneage and the soundweb is much cleaner. The sound hasnt gotten softer, just better over time.

I am considering wearing earplugs when I dj tho, and when I go out on the weekend especially since im there pretty much every weekend. Im noticing sound is becoming more muffled for me sometimes.

How many Djs here on TA and abroad Dj with Earplugs tho? Seen Armin, Joof, Ferry and Tiesto wear plugs, also Rank1 too. I tried it here in the studio and its kinda weird for me. Just wondering if anyone feels weird wearing them too?

Anyone recommend any good earplugs? I thought there was a post on here about earplugs before...

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Originally posted by rizo ordered some new pairs of ER20s but anyone tried or use Alpine MusicSafe Natural Sound Professional Musician's Ear Plugs?

didnt know i posted about these before but a friend got me these for xmas. they've been fantastic and more comfortable than the er-20s!

def worth the $30 or however much friend got em for http://earplugstore.stores.yahoo.net/alnasoearpl.html

I work as a surgical tech and work with a lot of ENT doctors. Dr. Batniji is the lead doctor when it comes to ears in SoCal. We were discussing hearing loss one day and I asked him regarding speakers at concerts. Basically, even in a stadium setting, your hearing can go even if you don't think you really are that close.

I've been wearing ear plugs for years now at clubs and thank god I have. I forgot mine the other day at the Mayan and thought my ears were going to pop. They really need to sell ear plugs in clubs.

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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy I work as a surgical tech and work with a lot of ENT doctors. Dr. Batniji is the lead doctor when it comes to ears in SoCal. We were discussing hearing loss one day and I asked him regarding speakers at concerts. Basically, even in a stadium setting, your hearing can go even if you don't think you really are that close. I've been wearing ear plugs for years now at clubs and thank god I have. I forgot mine the other day at the Mayan and thought my ears were going to pop. They really need to sell ear plugs in clubs.

I went to him for an ear test a little over a year ago. Luckily my hearing was normal. I started wearing ear plugs a couple years ago when I learned about tinnitus and hearing loss. I think it's loud enough with ear plugs in. I think it's also good to go outside for a few a couple times during a show to give your ears a rest.

I run into ear-hurting sound problems at concerts more often than clubs. I've actually had ringing since I was very young because of childhood ear infections, but overall I actually have pretty good hearing. I can keep the volume lower on things than almost all of my friends, including ones who never go to clubs or concerts.

That said, if I feel like the sound is too much and I don't have my earplugs on me (I take them to concerts, but normally not clubs) I find some napkins and create makeshift earplugs with them. Not as good, of course, but there is definitely a difference. I also make sure to step outside or go to the bathroom to get away from the sound for a couple of minutes every hour or so.

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Originally posted by in2muzikk Yes, they do exist: http://www.hearingresearch.org/Dr.Ross/Tinnitus.htm Hyperacousis Often, tinnitus does not appear alone, but in combination with hyperacousis, which is defined as an extreme sensitivity to environmental sounds. Some authorities believe that it may be the phobic reaction to the tinnitus that is primarily responsible for the acute sensitivity to sound, which then develops into hyperacousis. People with this problem may be reluctant to leave their homes because of their fear of being suddenly exposed to intolerably (for them) loud sounds. They may use earplugs or earmuffs to "protect" their hearing. Indeed, ten years ago I described in this journal a "reverse" hearing aid designed to reduce environmental sounds for people with hyperacousis. According to the rationale underlying TRT, these "remedial" steps were exactly the wrong procedure to use with such people. Instead of protecting them, all it does is increase their fear and anxiety about sound exposures. ~~~~~~ But, I believe such "reverse hearing aids" are used in normal volume situations like restaurants, at home, etc. Apparently they don't work so well then either. A problem with trying to use something like this at a nightclub would be getting a good seal with the ear. Properly fitted foam earplugs form a sealed barrier that attenuates or reduces the volume. A foam earplug with an attenuation rating of 32-33db is the strongest ear protection you can get without wearing external earmuffs. Depending on how loud the sound is, this level of protection may or may not be enough. If it's not, unfortunately there's no way that any kind of hearing aid (which is not as tightly sealed) could do any better.

Good information. Will look into this more.

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