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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 finally a non-american admits to being rude and obnoxious?  |
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| Originally posted by Lira Well, I'm loud! But again, I can blame my Italian ancestry |
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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 but are you rude and obnoxious? |
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| Originally posted by Lira Well, I don't think so. I don't mind talking and laughing loudly, but I'm polite to people when I interact with them. Does the former make me obnoxious/rude despite of the latter? If not, no, I'm not. But, if it does, yes, I am |
i never picked you for a desperate nationalist jerz you can mock all you want, but denying that your countrymen have a (well-deserved) reputation for loud obnoxiousness is like denying that australians have a reputation for being beer-guzzling layabouts
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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 hmmmm - being loud can be rude and obnoxious in certain circumstances. I guess that means you're an american! welcome to the club. |
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| Top 10 political hecklers Last night, President Obama was accused by a heckler - identified as Congressman Joe Wilson - of being a liar. The Congressman later apologised, but Obama should take more comfort from the rich tradition into which he has just been inducted. Here, to celebrate the President's milestone, is Comment Central's 'Top 10' of political hecklers. 1 - John Wilkes John Wilkes, the 18th century radical was once heckled by a man who cried: "Vote for you? I'd sooner vote for the Devil." Wilkes replied, "And what if your friend is not standing?" 2 - Harold Wilson Harold Wilson was in full flow, extolling Britain�fs maritime triumphs to the dockyard town of Chatham, when he made the mistake of asking a rhetorical question: "And why am I saying all this?" From the back of the hall came the words, "Because you are in Chatham", making it embarrassingly clear to all that Wilson was only after their votes. 3 - Wilson, again But Wilson was also a master of the reposte. A heckler once interrupted a speech of his about Labour's spending plans with the question: "What about Vietnam?" Wilson replied that: "The government has no plans to increase public expenditure in Vietnam". "Rubbish!" replied the heckler. "I'll come to your special interest in a minute, sir" quipped Wilson. 4 - Michael Heseltine Michael Heseltine, launching an impassioned defence of fox hunting, once made the mistake of asking: "What do we mean by flushing out?" Labour's Denis MacShane shouted: "Ask Mrs Thatcher!" It proved impossible to recover from. 5 - Denis Healey Denis Healey beat a heckler at his own game at a meeting in the Fulham by-election campaign of 1986. After repeated interruptions from an insistent audience member, Healey suggested that he might like to take the floor himself and lay out his own, better plans. The heckler climbed onto his chair and launched into an unstoppable tirade, until a member of the party newspaper Labour Weekly started a slow handclap and drowned him out. 6 - Michael Howard In 2005 the Conservatives protested that the BBC had fitted three fractious audience members with microphones at a meeting at which Michael Howard was speaking. They proceeded to shout: "Michael Howard is a liar", "You can't trust the Tories", and "You can only trust Tony Blair". 7 - Lord Hailsham An actor by the name of Tony Booth was once televised racing around the hall bellowing "adulterer" at the speaker, Lord Hailsham, who was unfairly suspected of being involved in some rather racy photos used against the Duchess of Argyll in her divorce case. The stewards threw him out, but he went on to forge his own close relationship with Downing Street�c 8 - Jack Straw During a speech by Jack Straw at the 2005 Labour Party conference, an audience member was forcibly ejected for shouting �gnonsense�h and �gthat�fs a lie�h. Unfortunately, that person was 87-year old, anti-war protestor Walter Wolfgang and he was later arrested under the Terrorism Act when trying to re-enter the conference. Rather embarrassing. 9 -Patricia Hewitt Patricia Hewitt endured 50 minutes of catcalls and slow handclapping at a speech to a nurses' union in April 2006. She was forced to abandon the speech when delegates refused all pleas to hear her out. 10 - Bill Clinton An angry, hoarse and exasperated Bill Clinton was pushed to the brink by an AIDS protester at a speaking engagement in 1992. The heckler accused him of putting ambition over true commitment, at which Bill hit back: �gIf I were dying of ambition, I wouldn�ft have stood up here and put up with all this crap I�fve put up with over the past six months... "I have treated you and a whole lot of other people who have interrupted my rallies with a hell of a lot more respect than you treated me. And it's time to start thinking about that!�h The audience erupted in applause. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss From the article I linked to: Nevermind too that, again, he's been pimping the single payer trojan horse (public option) for many years. Are we to beleive that now he's offering something moderate? If he wants a public option in the bill, who's end result will lead to single payer, how can it be argued otherwise? In his words, "It may take 15 or 20 years to get there, but that's the best way to make it happen." Again, if the urgency to pass the legislation were to deal with a problem immediately, then why postpone the date when it would go into effect 4 years.... specifically, until the year after the next presidential election? The only reasonable answer seems to be that he wanted to get this massive government takeover of medical care passed into law before the public understood what was in it. Occam's razor. |
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| It isn't watered down... just a more stealth version of the same. Jim Geraghty says it best: "We're expected to believe a Democrat-controlled Congress, with deep divisions in its ranks, will put together a bill that will keep everything the same for those who have health insurance through their jobs, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA; mandate coverage of pre-existing conditions; ban caps on coverage; mandate coverage of routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies; offer health insurance to 30 million uninsured; provide tax credits for small businesses; painlessly mandate coverage for the young healthy uninsured; provide hardship waivers; provide choice and competition; keep insurance companies honest; avoid taxpayer subsidies for public option plans; keep out illegal immigrants; not pay for abortions; and not deny care to the elderly because of cost-benefit analyses, all while not adding one dime to our deficits � either now or in the future." |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i never picked you for a desperate nationalist jerz you can mock all you want, but denying that your countrymen have a (well-deserved) reputation for loud obnoxiousness is like denying that australians have a reputation for being beer-guzzling layabouts |
They answered to call for action on health care. No.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...ZHW-ywD9AL00A00
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| Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I mean, for God's sake, Obama and Rahm are seriously thinking about abandoning the public option altogether! This is all over the papers, how have you missed this? |
The reason this man disappointed me is not because he's underperforming his job, or showing himself incapable. Many people, including myself, are reasonable and patient and don't expect miracles overnight.
No, the real reason he disappointed me is that he promised a change in tone, and what's happened is the very opposite of that. He ran as a "unifier" and said, quote, "reconciliation and unity are in my DNA" or something like that, referring to his mixed ancestry, of course. After the polarization and the bickering of the Bush years, after the toxic political atmosphere, that seemed like a welcome change.
But under this president, racism increased, extremism increased, and fear and xenophobia increased, all of these a throwback to the Bush era. As a matter of fact, not only has there been no change in tone, it's actually gotten worse, because Bush was at least considered an entity (positive or negative take your pick) whereas this president is considered a non-entity, who can be heckled and interrupted even at the highest levels of power.
Nobody knew what electing a black president would entail, but it was reasonable to assume the country would come together and let go of the toxic wars of the past. That was Possibility A. Possibility B was that there'd be a counter-reaction, and the country would actually be worse off, and that seems to be exactly what happened.
He may be a capable and wonderful man, but the irony is that the country is more racist and toxic now than it ever was in recent history. His ascent has actually fuelled what he wanted to put behind us.
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd The reason this man disappointed me is not because he's underperforming his job, or showing himself incapable. Many people, including myself, are reasonable and patient and don't expect miracles overnight. No, the real reason he disappointed me is that he promised a change in tone, and what's happened is the very opposite of that. He ran as a "unifier" and said, quote, "reconciliation and unity are in my DNA" or something like that, referring to his mixed ancestry, of course. After the polarization and the bickering of the Bush years, after the toxic political atmosphere, that seemed like a welcome change. But under this president, racism increased, extremism increased, and fear and xenophobia increased, all of these a throwback to the Bush era. As a matter of fact, not only has there been no change in tone, it's actually gotten worse, because Bush was at least considered an entity (positive or negative take your pick) whereas this president is considered a non-entity, who can be heckled and interrupted even at the highest levels of power. Nobody knew what electing a black president would entail, but it was reasonable to assume the country would come together and let go of the toxic wars of the past. That was Possibility A. Possibility B was that there'd be a counter-reaction, and the country would actually be worse off, and that seems to be exactly what happened. He may be a capable and wonderful man, but the irony is that the country is more racist and toxic now than it ever was in recent history. His ascent has actually fuelled what he wanted to put behind us. |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo what? he's COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY under-performed. which to add to your expectations of not being able to work miracles, is not to say he's failed. but has he performed? simply, no. you hired a non-executive, a career committee man - a legislator, to the highest level executive position on the planet. wtf did you expect? none of this is about race. 10% and climbing unemployment isn't about race. univeral healthcare isn't about race. cap and trade isn't about race. staggering fiscal imbalances isn't about race. race is a bitch's argument. all that "black man" needs to do is perform, then i guarantee you none of you will talking about whether he's black. it's stupid i'm out |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo what? he's COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY under-performed. which to add to your expectations of not being able to work miracles, is not to say he's failed. but has he performed? simply, no. |
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| you hired a non-executive, a career committee man - a legislator, to the highest level executive position on the planet. wtf did you expect? |
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| none of this is about race. 10% and climbing unemployment isn't about race. univeral healthcare isn't about race. cap and trade isn't about race. staggering fiscal imbalances isn't about race. race is a bitch's argument. |
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| Originally posted by Krypton 10% unemployment on account of a recession which you can't in any way blame the current president for. Universal healthcare which every first world country in the world has except for us. Staggering fiscal imbalances started with Republicans, handed over to Obama, who was forced to increase it because of a huge recession. It's amusing watching Republicans blame EVERYthing bad on Obama, with absolutely NO substance to back it up...LOL...every criticism of Bush actually had some weight behind it. |
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| Originally posted by DOOMBOT Wasn't it Obama who said that unemployment wouldn't go over 8% if the stimulus was passed? Now, we can agree that he stepped into office when the recession already hit but he has done nothing to prevent it from getting any worse. It has gotten worse and it is getting even more worse. All of which is now happening under his eye. So this, he will take part of the blame for. |
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| In Bush's defense, he too was handed a recession. The Clinton era looked so darn great because his presidency was during the boom of the Dot Com bubble and by the end of his term, it burst and was then handed over to Bush. Bush and Co. made the mistake of keeping interest rates too low for too long and allowed for wall street to package up bad loan deals, which created the housing boom and inevitable bust. So now the torch has been passed to Obama and he is doing the same exact thing that Bush did, only worse! |
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| Originally posted by Krypton He's done more positive things for this country in 9 months than Bush did in his entire 8 years in office. |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Let's be quite clear. Bush is not Obama's benchmark. If that's how we judge our presidents, God help us all. You'd do better to stop trying to make useless comparisons like this. Got it? |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Let's be quite clear. Bush is not Obama's benchmark. If that's how we judge our presidents, God help us all. You'd do better to stop trying to make useless comparisons like this. Got it? |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo what? he's COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY under-performed. which to add to your expectations of not being able to work miracles, is not to say he's failed. but has he performed? simply, no. |
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| you hired a non-executive, a career committee man - a legislator, to the highest level executive position on the planet. wtf did you expect? |
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| none of this is about race. 10% and climbing unemployment isn't about race. univeral healthcare isn't about race. cap and trade isn't about race. staggering fiscal imbalances isn't about race. race is a bitch's argument. |
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| all that "black man" needs to do is perform, then i guarantee you none of you will talking about whether he's black. it's stupid |
ziptnf, Obama is a white man hating, liberal, socialist, communist, fascist, Afro-leninist, muslim, terrorist, illegal alien who is the reason we have high unemployment!!!1
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| Originally posted by Krypton I'm talking to a Bush supporter, so in that remark, it had context. |
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| Originally posted by Shakka Sorry--didn't mean to direct that so pointedly at you. I'm just getting tired of that argument. It's pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Not to mention too many variables involved. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss Anyone with a brain knows that if he wanted to get the economy rolling, he could, but that doesn't fit into his plans. The chaos serves his agenda very nicely; The more job losses pile up, the more people having their unemployment benefits run out, the longer the lack of hiring goes on, you can expect more and more people to be dumped from their employee health care plans.... and who's the one entity that can ride in like a knight in shining armour and save the day? The State. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss at a positive clip, which is basically an expense to the taxpayer. Anyone with a brain knows that if he wanted to get the economy rolling, he could, but that doesn't fit into his plans. The chaos serves his agenda very nicely; The more job losses pile up, the more people having their unemployment benefits run out, the longer the lack of hiring goes on, you can expect more and more people to be dumped from their employee health care plans.... and who's the one entity that can ride in like a knight in shining armour and save the day? The State. |
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