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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Hold up here. I get being somewhat offended by someone suggesting you should do porn; however, making the link between transexuals and porn or prostitution isn't unjustified given that so many turn to those revenue streams to fund their reassignments.

er..

so are you saying that women are born in order to be whores and make porn?

i don't get it...?

the presence of female genitalia in some way implies sex for money?


this all smacks of misogyny to me.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard No, if I understand her correctly, you can jerk off, just don't send her a cheque afterwards.

No cash either, even if there are signs of withdrawal.

There, I redeemed myself and I can now go get my coat

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Originally posted by Lira However, in no way I meant to imply that it's something you should ever do with your life (unless you want to do it for th hell of it, like Couch Potato did), or that paid sex is something transexuals are doomed to end up doing since most people I've seen in porn are either, you know, blokes who were born with their dingly parts attached to their groins and birds that come with extra wobbly parts bundled in the body. All it means is that we've had Psy-T here before, and we'd joke like this with him.

Yeah, I guess I just take it a little more seriously because it's part of what makes mine and others' lives more difficult every day.

It also gets pretty irritating when you come out to person after person and the first thing they say is 'so do you still have a dick'... It is unfortunate (and wrong imo) that the admission of transsexuality seems to be carte blanche for everyone and their grandmother to ask prying, sexual questions, make sexual innuendos, etc. And this isn't just limited to immature people on internet forums - what is it that you see in every television special about transsexuals: detailed descriptions and fixation on the sexual reassigment, genitalia, etc. It's society in general that needs to grow up.

So sorry I singled you out, I just couldn't let it go.

We'll remember it's everyone else that needs to mature the next time you're pic-whoring.

You do have a solid point though. Er. I just mean it's part-and-parcel of being a girl on TA where your genitals are constantly in question.

i will forever consider you a man dressed in drag. sorry buddy you are what you are. Michael Jackson was still a ****** when he died you cant deny what you are. I always wanted to be a pro soccer player since i was first born. Guess what it aint gonna happen and i have accepted myself as a real estate agent.

i think you are fucked in the head. be you, you fuckin weirdo.

I respect gay people, they are born the way they are, they grow to accept it ( a painful process im sure), embrace it and live with it.
But you guys are born a certain way, wanna be something you're not and then try to do some weird ass unnatural changes to your body just to fit your fucked up psyche. You may never have a pussy, but you will forever be one

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy i will forever consider you a man dressed in drag. sorry buddy you are what you are. Michael Jackson was still a ****** when he died you cant deny what you are. I always wanted to be a pro soccer player since i was first born. Guess what it aint gonna happen and i have accepted myself as a real estate agent. i think you are fucked in the head. be you, you fuckin weirdo

cool story, bro.

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Originally posted by nefardec er.. so are you saying that women are born in order to be whores and make porn? i don't get it...? the presence of female genitalia in some way implies sex for money? this all smacks of misogyny to me.

Not at all. What I'm saying is that a disproportionatly high number of transexuals turn to prostitution and/or pornography; generally as a means to earning enough money to fund their hormone treatments and/or reassignment surgery. Considering the low representation of transgendered persons in the US population (.25%-1%) contrasted with the relatively high percentage of same in the porn/prostitution industries it is not unreasonable that one would link trangendered and pornography/prostitution. I'm not saying that it is a correct link to make; however, it is understandable that one would make that link.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On We'll remember it's everyone else that needs to mature the next time you're pic-whoring. You do have a solid point though. Er. I just mean it's part-and-parcel of being a girl on TA where your genitals are constantly in question.

lol.

touch�

except i'm not hurting anyone. (besides miss pie, perhaps )

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Not at all. What I'm saying is that a disproportionatly high number of transexuals turn to prostitution and/or pornography; generally as a means to earning enough money to fund their hormone treatments and/or reassignment surgery. Considering the low representation of transgendered persons in the US population (.25%-1%) contrasted with the relatively high percentage of same in the porn/prostitution industries it is not unreasonable that one would link trangendered and pornography/prostitution. I'm not saying that it is a correct link to make; however, it is understandable that one would make that link.

source?

i agree that transwomen can be their own worst enemies at times, but this still doesn't make the link acceptable.

I paid you a nice compliment and you didn't even say thank you! Ungrateful whore!

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Originally posted by nefardec touch�

Maybe in 12 months, though you'll probably be a really pretentious bitch by then.

Wait. I dunno, maybe you might explode before that happens.

pussy.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy i think you are fucked in the head. be you, you fuckin weirdo.

Eric, from her perspective she finally is being who she is.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie I paid you a nice compliment and you didn't even say thank you! Ungrateful whore!

well, i did appreciate it, but wasn't sure how to respond to the self deprecating part of it! all i have to say is you should have seen me a day earlier. damn laser hair removal takes forever

deforming his body to make it look as fucked up as HE feels in his mind?


Sorry dude, inside i feel like an angry black man. But I am Eric and thats who I am going to be.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Eric, from her perspective she finally is being who she is.

i've learned there is no use in explaining it to some people.

it's all good. as long as they respect my civil rights.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy deforming his body to make it look as fucked up as HE feels in his mind? Sorry dude, inside i feel like an angry black man. But I am Eric and thats who I am going to be.

You trim your fingernails and hair in order to project your inner idea of self-image, don't you? Have you ever changed your hair style? (voluntarily )

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Originally posted by nefardec source? i agree that transwomen can be their own worst enemies at times, but this still doesn't make the link acceptable.

Sadly I cannot find reliable statistics on how many prostitutes or porn actresses are transgendered (those industries aren't exactly the best documented) but at .25%-1% of the total population one can easilly observe that in any major city transgendered persons make up more then .25%-1% of the sextrade. Again, I'm not saying that one should like the two but I can see why one would. I'm also not trying to minimize any offence you may have taken at Lira's comments; you're completely justified in that.

Perhaps we should not discuss that further, as for you it is understandably personal whereas I'm just looking at numbers and perceptions.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You trim your fingernails and hair in order to project your inner idea of self-image, don't you? Have you ever changed your hair style? (voluntarily )

or worked out to build muscle mass perhaps?


i like this quote from calpernia addams:

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[response to] You should have told me you were �really a man� You should have told me you were �really a person with bad teeth�, even though you fixed them with braces and now fool people into thinking you have good teeth genetics. You should have told me you were really a breathless weakling, even though you huff asthma inhalers to clear up your lungs. You should have told me you really have inferior eyes, even though you wear deceptively invisible corrective contact lenses to fool everyone into thinking you�re not genetically inferior. You should have told me you�re really a fattie, even though you lost the weight with unnaturally low levels of caloric intake and artificially high levels of exercise. You should have told me you were really a cripple, even though you had your club foot or spine corrected surgically as a young child. Etc etc etc. I am no more �really a man� than you are �really� a blind, fat, buck-toothed, club-footed beast.

http://www.calpernia.com/aboutme/transsexual/

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Perhaps we should not discuss that further, as for you it is understandably personal whereas I'm just looking at numbers and perceptions.

I don't mind, it's just that being a member of the TG community, I know that a huge amount of us don't prostitute or make porn. Not even close to a majority.

So beyond being a huge leap (possibly tinged with trans-misogyny), it's also just a logical fallacy (and with no source).

no offense dude but i trim my fingernails due to hygiene. I dont change hairstyles because I feel like a long haired man or a short haired man that day. I do it to attract the opposite sex haha. Youre probably talkin to the wrong guy because i dont really see my outward image as a reflection of who i am on the inside. I use my actions and words to do that. I mean I always look fresh and look respectable because in order to get what you want in this world you have to be presentable. However, in no way do i have an inward struggle with myself over my shoes, hairstyle or fingernails.

Bottom line being, congrats. Only three weeks on hormones and you have already picked up the uncanny female ability to take offence at the slightest sign of a poorly phrased comment. Already on your period then?

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy no offense dude but i trim my fingernails due to hygiene. I dont change hairstyles because I feel like a long haired man or a short haired man that day. I do it to attract the opposite sex haha.

i attract the same and the opposite sex, and when I do, I already know they're going to be into me for who I am, because I put myself out there honestly and confidently. Works pretty well for me.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy I use my actions and words to do that.

me too. maybe i have bigger balls, though.


haters gon' hate.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Bottom line being, congrats. Only three weeks on hormones and you have already picked up the uncanny female ability to take offence at the slightest sign of a poorly phrased comment. Already on your period then?

basically. hormones are a bitch.

but you guys (esp music discussion people) know i was like this before i took hormones - now it just makes sense.

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