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i realize that.. just thought it was worth mentioning in this big shit toss.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I got confused someone said Adam and then Ivan. I'm not being unkind I'm being truthful. Let say someone was a creationist here. If it goes against my beliefs and is illogical why would I support and encourage them?

You're both arguing for the world being grey, while giving black and white arguments, and you're both giving christian reasons for your claimed atheistic conclusions.

are we born with a life purpose? you and vivid keep saying we somehow are born a certain way. That implies that we have a specific lot in life, and can't get outside of it. This is overtly religious dogma/bullshit. We can change. We have norms that are placed on us, yes, but the ability to overcome any norms is true human nature. If humans just accepted our lot we wouldn't have any society, wouldn't have any technology, wouldn't have anything we have now. Overcoming what we're born with/who/what we are is one of the basic tenants of human life.

You seem to accept this to a degree, then impose your emotional biases (bit scared of being picked up by a chick with a dick are we??) onto the situation and draw an ambiguous line about 'what's ok', and 'what's not', without giving any inclination as to where the line is. If you're going to claim someone else is irrational, at least be rational yourselves.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I got confused someone said Adam and then Ivan. I'm not being unkind I'm being truthful. Let say someone was a creationist here. If it goes against my beliefs and is illogical why would I support and encourage them?

You don't need to support and encourage them. Once you've shown your disagreement and the reasons for it, you can - and should - gracefully leave and let the person go on living the way they see fit.

Edit: And Egos has a point.

I think IGK's just upset because he prefers boys to girls. Give him a break, this must be extremely upsetting for him.

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Originally posted by EgosXII Overcoming what we're born with/who/what we are is one of the basic tenants of human life.

I must disagree with this. It's not basic at all, it's exceptional.

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Originally posted by Lira You don't need to support and encourage them. Once you've shown your disagreement and the reasons for it, you can - and should - gracefully leave and let the person go on living the way they see fit.

I actually did but then someone [points at you] asked me to respond.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I actually did but then someone [points at you] asked me to respond.

In that case, I quit the debate. I thought it had continued while I wasn't around and meant to discuss the arguments I didn't quite understand. But, if I caused it, I apologise and vow not to talk about it again

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Originally posted by Lira In that case, I quit the debate. I thought it had continued while I wasn't around and meant to discuss the arguments I didn't quite understand. But, if I caused it, I apologise and vow not to talk about it again

Eric took over for me today but now that I have a few beers in me I'm ready for round 2.

ding ding

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Originally posted by igottaknow Eric took over for me today but now that I have a few beers in me I'm ready for round 2. ding ding

I really think Avana's had enough. Let's give her a break, shall we?

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Originally posted by Lira I really think Ivana's had enough. Let's give her a break, shall we?

Avana, people. Adam Vana --> Avana.

God damn it

Fixed

It was bound to happen sooner or later with all this "Ivan" talk

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I must disagree with this. It's not basic at all, it's exceptional.

I was referring to the attempt at least- Not necessarily the success, if that's what you mean? If anyone was 'happy with themself' they probably wouldn't live-- the fact we're not happy with ourself/our position is why we seek experience, try to expand ourselves on relative scales, and in different areas etc... that's what I meant anyway- If you still disagree, I may be wrong

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Originally posted by Lira This thread needs more positive feelings and happy hardcore.

How do you post Youtube vids like that on this forum? I've tried all the tags I know, and even copy/pasted what the quote of the above says, and none of it works.

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Originally posted by djshire How do you post Youtube vids like that on this forum? I've tried all the tags I know, and even copy/pasted what the quote of the above says, and none of it works.

posting the embed code works fine for me.

This thread got awesome.

I like trains...



That was near the hotel I was staying at.

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Originally posted by tranceevolution

What country are you in? This could easily be in Split, it all looks so familiar.

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Originally posted by igottaknow ^- edit: Oh noesssssssss! Hal is pulling out the Slychologist on me. I knew the British had bad teeth but I had no idea their horses did too.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay British horse dude.

TESTIFY!

Not only did Jay use Van Poopy Pants humour without irony, but VPP beat him to it!

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Originally posted by nefardec And my opinion is you're an ignorant self-important, backwards, insecure, mean spirited, sack of frat boy splooge. not to mention that you think like the local paedophile. And if you were a bigger person, and truly "couldn't give a shit", you'd be out a long time ago. But it's clear you're not, and whoever is reading this is laughing because you are the only one who needs to man up. But its mothers' day so as my mother always said, "people who can't be big, belittle".

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. It's VPP and Vivid's huge insecurity that makes them have a problem with you, not the other way around. With exceptions, that's usually the reason that anyone has a problem with people who are different - jealousy, fear, ignorance.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. It's VPP and Vivid's huge insecurity that makes them have a problem with you, not the other way around. With exceptions, that's usually the reason that anyone has a problem with people who are different - jealousy, fear, ignorance.

see but thats the whole thing. I dont really care. I just thinkhes a pussy and i bash pussies on the boards. ivebeen doing it for 10 yrs. making fun of bald guys who get plugs, making fun of short people standing on their tippy toes. making funny of skinny guys trying to puff out their chest. making fun of anyone who try to be something theyre not because theyre too delusional and insecure to accept themselves for who they are. The cor usually does the same. But for some reason with this example, you guys have a double standard. The man is a pussy just like the other examples.

It has nothing to do with my oen insecurities. It has to do with my role on TA.

you guys can say "no, hes a girl now!" all you want but if i bring him to any doctor, any scientist and ask them his gender. they will all flip him upside down, take one look and say "male."


but i feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel like a woman on the insiiiiiiiddddeeee.

see what gets me is that its not like he has a vagina and a dick where we should be all like "welp i dunno what the fuck he is, is he a girl or a guy, beats the hell out of me. theres the dick and over there right beside it is a pussy...fuccck wehat do we do about this one?" no the guy has a dick. will always have a dick. Thus he is a man. very simple.

but on the insssssssssssssssiiiiiiiidddddeeee he feels like a woman!


well to me he can cluck like a chicken, walk like a chicken but that aint going to make him a chicken

you guys have all watched movies like freaky friday wayyyyy too many fuckin times.
This isnt quantum leap and nefardec isn't sam beckket saving the lives of different people. he has no lil machine named ziggy its called an iphone. dont get it all twisted

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Originally posted by Fledz What country are you in? This could easily be in Split, it all looks so familiar.

poland

We make fun of people here for over-reaching, though. srussell got blasted because he kept bringing up his credentials and job like anyone here is concerned with that. Sure, it was something we eventually made fun of, but not because he was an IT guy - do you know how many fucking IT guys are on TA? - but because he, like you said, vivid, tried to puff up his chest and threaten people with his technical prowess. He tried to make fun of what jenny does for a living, he tried to rub his dual degrees in everyone's faces as though he's the only educated person on TA, etc.

I don't think nefardec's doing anything like that. She's defending herself, sure, but most anyone would when their earnest identity is in question. Unless they're a fucking lout, like Amber.

I do have a measure of respect for your view, too, Vivid - holding everyone to equal standards, not accepting bullshit when it flows out of some of the people around here. That's fine. I just think you're wrong in your assessment of Avana, because those standards you suppose to be your own, in this case, are not yours - they are the majority of society's; some built-in, some conditioned, all appealing to an almost arbitrary sense of reproductive entitlement that we are no more prone to than the pangs of revenge and violence that guide the hands of hateful criminals and base minds, alike. I'm trying to say that our species is past that, because we are capable of recognizing it. We can pull the curtain off the wizard's control room, so to speak, and recognize that we are programmed to react first, before we accept, and it is in our power to change this just as it is in our power to change the wizard's rod to the wizard's curtains. Uh, so to speak.

I'm just saying we should applaud Avana, just as we should applaud IGK when he finally joins NAMBLA. Take charge of your life, people!

Being conducive to what I said though, I suppose we are all equally as guilty of a base demeanor when we try to ridicule others for whatever reason, as it accomplishes little more than mere entertainment for this little message board.

IGK, you're off the hook.

Just kidding, you're still an idiot. RUUUUGHHH GODDDD IT FEEELSS GOOOOOOD.

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