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Word on the street..............
PVD
November 22
BoMA
Columbus, OH

Pre-sales on Groovetickets are @ BoMA, but PVD's official site says Karma. I hope that they use BoMa as the venue, much much better atmosphere, reminds me of Vision in Chicago. Trying to get ahold of Donnie at Disco to confirm the right venue!

Did anyone make it to Markus Schulz tonight? If so how was it?

damn i'm so happy for you guys you got another cool show with a good turnout! from the sound of it tiesto and KT rocked... i was more worried about how tij would do as i've heard he can be less than spectacular sometimes, as KT always kills it. anyways me and steph are missing metropolis and we're missing KT and all the cleveland heads! we hope to come visit and coordinate it around a show...

tuis was providing me with texts throughout the night so it was the next best thing to being there hey Kenneth i told him to say hi from me and you mentioned to him about the 5th... did you get booked out here sometime soon? I also luv the track on your myspace page, I think it was called "leaving lonely" nice stuff!

cheers ohta's! p.s. i'm working on getting those shirts done i haven't forgot.. i'll post up when i need some input and/or money

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Originally posted by KennethThomas The track that Tuis was mentioning above is not Zombie Nation, although i do see the similarities, its actually the new Ferry Corsten, its called Brainbox. Not sure of a release date on that.

This track is a bit of a mystery to me. Ferry corsten is the only big time DJ who hasn't lost it as far as productions go even though he sadly jumped on the electro bandwagon. But how can he put out a track like this and call it anything esle besides "Zombie Nation (ferry corstens mix)?"

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you mentioned to him about the 5th... did you get booked out here sometime soon?

KT will be at Empire on October 5th


AA

TOMORROW NIGHT




IN TWO WEEKS

I am really surprised people really liked Tiesto's gig in Cleveland.
I, for one, walked out after 1.5 into his set. I personally felt like there was no beatmatching when he brought in another track, I distinctly remember at 12:10 there was a massssssssivvvvvvvve train wreck in his set.
Also, the flow and set progression was SO bad that I actually had to leave.

KT on the other hand. I am not going to even begin to tell you how impressed I am with his set. We need him back in Cleveland more often.

Regards,
Shubs
www.sqprojekt.com

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Originally posted by Shubs I am really surprised people really liked Tiesto's gig in Cleveland. I, for one, walked out after 1.5 into his set. I personally felt like there was no beatmatching when he brought in another track, I distinctly remember at 12:10 there was a massssssssivvvvvvvve train wreck in his set. Also, the flow and set progression was SO bad that I actually had to leave. KT on the other hand. I am not going to even begin to tell you how impressed I am with his set. We need him back in Cleveland more often. Regards, Shubs www.sqprojekt.com

Yes, as far as technique - he was definitely lacking. However, I thought his track selection worked with the crowd really well. When I walked in there, I didn't have very high expectations, based on what I've read online. He definitely performed better that I have imagined.

As far as KT is concerned, playing kick ass sets is a norm for him. He's definitely one of my favorite DJs right now. When I make my own sets, I frequently get inspired by his sets.

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Originally posted by anthonyattalla KT will be at Empire on October 5th AA

yesssssssssssssssssss...! i'm so pumped! believe it or not i miss the cleveland scene here in vegas... me and steph will definitely be at empire friday, i've valet there a few times and the vibe is electric there


and you guys get prydz on the 12th?? you all better get your asses out there, he the shit!! i'm hoping he stops in vegas while he's stateside here!

p.s. anthony do you get booked here in vegas ever?? get out here man!

He played about 1.5 of Andy Duguid - Don't belong (BRILLIANT TRACK) a proggier tune, and then mixes I think an absolute loud banging techy trance tune. To me, that's just being a sub-par DJ. I was upset at the fact that a DJ of such high stature can have such a bad performance.

I don't mean disrespect or anything, but most of the people within US or Cleveland, if you will, don't know better. They only want big name artists, which sucks, cause there are A LOT OF good djs out there who are technically and musically more sound than the formentioned DJ.

Cleveland's gig was the first time I heard Tiesto, I am prolly going to hold my absolute judgement till I hear him one more time at a potentially bigger venue.

At then end of the day, the gig was prolly a great success for most people, which is AMAZING but people, for sure, need to know better.

I need to share an observation...
I find it very VERY interesting that the fellow "DJs" on this forum are always the ones who criticize the big timers like Tiesto over little things that to the ordinary listener don't matter. You talk about beat-matching and stalling sets...yet you're not up there performing for thousands of people around the world on a regular basis.
I'm not criticizing or assuming anything about any of you...i just think sometimes you come across as jealous trance-snobs. Lighten up...walking out on a show b/c you wanted to be nit-picky about technique is ridiculous. You're there to have fun! Enjoy the atmosphere and be lucky anyone came to play for you to begin with. Otherwise you're completely missing the point of all of this. There are good sets, great sets, and phenomenal sets---but if you spend all of your time complaining about stupid shit you miss out on so much of what this culture is all about.
We could be in a dictatorship or communist country where freedom of expression is banned and this forum wouldn't even exist.

Just think on it.

In reply to the above post..

There's no denying that he's prolly played more events and more people than many of us on this forum, hands down he's good at what he does (may it be him or his Marketing/PR team).

I understand where you come from about the enjoying the party rather than criticizing.
A lot of us are not 'trance snobs' or 'jealous', like you said but we are just nit picky. Especially if we are paying 50-80 bucks for an event with the 'world's best dj' catering to us I don't think I would be wrong in expecting a class act/night.

I personally feel that big acts like Tiesto undermine smaller crowds, like Cleveland, where they think they can get away with playing w/e they want. This is exactly why I feel like I should completely express my views. I was there when Gabriel & Dresden and Markus Schulz played at Sinergy, both of them brought their A-GAME! Extremely tight sets with crazy flow.

Again, this are my opinions, and I am trying to have a healthy discussion and see if people felt the same way as I did.

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Originally posted by Shubs In reply to the above post.. There's no denying that he's prolly played more events and more people than many of us on this forum, hands down he's good at what he does (may it be him or his Marketing/PR team). I understand where you come from about the enjoying the party rather than criticizing. A lot of us are not 'trance snobs' or 'jealous', like you said but we are just nit picky. Especially if we are paying 50-80 bucks for an event with the 'world's best dj' catering to us I don't think I would be wrong in expecting a class act/night. I personally feel that big acts like Tiesto undermine smaller crowds, like Cleveland, where they think they can get away with playing w/e they want. This is exactly why I feel like I should completely express my views. I was there when Gabriel & Dresden and Markus Schulz played at Sinergy, both of them brought their A-GAME! Extremely tight sets with crazy flow. Again, this are my opinions, and I am trying to have a healthy discussion and see if people felt the same way as I did.

Gabriel and Dresden? Are you kidding me? I saw them 3 times and every time their track selection was very similar and not so good to begin with. I'll never go to see them again. It boggled my mind that KT played an opening set for them. He should have been the main event.

With that said, I'm 100% with AMMORA here.

Aaah. See, I've only seen G&D once. Maybe that's why I thought they were good.
Then again, I kinda do agree with you on their selection. It all sounds similar. *foot in mouth*
But it doesn't sound bad.

At Tiesto's gig, I feel, that all tracks in themselves were great BUT they weren't sequenced or mixed properly. That's all.

ah...the self-centered and self-absorbed opinions.
why is everyone always on the defensive? what do you possibly have to be defensive about? If you don't buy the hype, don't pay the $ to go see the hype. Simple as that.

again, food for thought.

I thought the hype was for real TILL he came on stage at Metropolis.

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Originally posted by Shubs I am really surprised people really liked Tiesto's gig in Cleveland. www.sqprojekt.com

People liked Tiesto's set? Who?

Probably the same people that think they're in a presence of a God whenever they see Tiesto live. Honestly I hate seeing these "top 10" Dj's, there's no suprise whatsover to their sets. They play every track that has been hammered to death for the past year and think they've rocked the club. This was a huge problem with Tiesto, ATB, Gabriel & Dresden, etc. I might as well go to Beatport download the top 20 tracks for the year, load them into Winamp and call it a night.

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Originally posted by AMMORA I need to share an observation... I find it very VERY interesting that the fellow "DJs" on this forum are always the ones who criticize the big timers like Tiesto over little things that to the ordinary listener don't matter. You talk about beat-matching and stalling sets...yet you're not up there performing for thousands of people around the world on a regular basis. I'm not criticizing or assuming anything about any of you...i just think sometimes you come across as jealous trance-snobs. Lighten up...walking out on a show b/c you wanted to be nit-picky about technique is ridiculous. You're there to have fun! Enjoy the atmosphere and be lucky anyone came to play for you to begin with. Otherwise you're completely missing the point of all of this. There are good sets, great sets, and phenomenal sets---but if you spend all of your time complaining about stupid shit you miss out on so much of what this culture is all about. We could be in a dictatorship or communist country where freedom of expression is banned and this forum wouldn't even exist. Just think on it.

Ordinary listener? I guarantee you that an "ordinary listener" will not waste his/her time to post on a message board didicated to a specific genre of music.

I also enjoyed the rest of your post. It's as if you're encouraging us to praise mediocrity? I thought the whole point of a message board was to share your thoughts or concerns even if they're not necessarily positive.

I'm not knocking Tiesto, because he has done some great things in his time, once you sift through the shit. But this set was anything but great.

Something I think we all need to remember when referring to these "big name" djs, is that they are in some way required to play these watered down sets. Their popularity is undeniable, and with that popularity comes a certain expectation to cater to the larger mainstream crowd, rather than the few, more educated edm fans. The majority of people who attend the huge events like tiesto and avb, especially in towns like cleveland and cbus, make it out once in a great while to a trance event. In the meantime, the only trance that they hear may very well be something from the top of Beatport's list. Hearing those songs in a club, however, is a much better experience than walking down the street with your ipod. So when these people head out to the large event that they have been waiting all year for, they expect to hear those songs that have been "rocking dance floors" for the past year, because it is their only chance to experience them in a club atmosphere. Think of it as more of a concert than anything else. If a rock fan went to a Bon Jovi concert, and the band played nothing but new, unreleased songs, the majority of the crowd would be dissappointed. In the same way, if someone like Tiesto, who plays once a year, if that, in a town like Cleveland, were to play a set filled with brand new, obscure tracks, no matter how good, most people would leave thinking it was a subpar set because they didn't hear the "bombs" they were waiting for. I, myself, would be ecstatic if a dj played in such a way, but I go see the big names knowing what to expect. As far as the technical aspect, I am not a dj myself, but I do notice bad transiitions, and it usually takes me a minute to recover, but once I do, I go on enjoying the atmosphere.


With all that being said, it's not all that often we get these djs around here. I, for one, think it definitely enhances the scene because more people will come out. More people enjoying edm is only a good thing in my book.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............................

AVB - Nov 4
PVD - Nov 22

I agree with the crowd pleasing songs, and water down sets but at the cost of technicality? That's BS.

Even if someone asked me to do a mix of Darude's Sandstorm to Benny Benassi's Satisfaction (Two of the most popular tunes in the Continental US) I would prolly beat match them and use a tad bit of EQ to prevent frequency clashing.

Tiesto on the other hand seemed like he knew the crowd wasn't going anywhere and he could have gotten away with anything he wanted. Now that, to me, is unfair. Undermining the audience is HS.

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Originally posted by DPetey81 Something I think we all need to remember when referring to these "big name" djs, is that they are in some way required to play these watered down sets. Their popularity is undeniable, and with that popularity comes a certain expectation to cater to the larger mainstream crowd, rather than the few, more educated edm fans. The majority of people who attend the huge events like tiesto and avb, especially in towns like cleveland and cbus, make it out once in a great while to a trance event. In the meantime, the only trance that they hear may very well be something from the top of Beatport's list. Hearing those songs in a club, however, is a much better experience than walking down the street with your ipod. So when these people head out to the large event that they have been waiting all year for, they expect to hear those songs that have been "rocking dance floors" for the past year, because it is their only chance to experience them in a club atmosphere. Think of it as more of a concert than anything else. If a rock fan went to a Bon Jovi concert, and the band played nothing but new, unreleased songs, the majority of the crowd would be dissappointed. In the same way, if someone like Tiesto, who plays once a year, if that, in a town like Cleveland, were to play a set filled with brand new, obscure tracks, no matter how good, most people would leave thinking it was a subpar set because they didn't hear the "bombs" they were waiting for. I, myself, would be ecstatic if a dj played in such a way, but I go see the big names knowing what to expect. As far as the technical aspect, I am not a dj myself, but I do notice bad transiitions, and it usually takes me a minute to recover, but once I do, I go on enjoying the atmosphere. With all that being said, it's not all that often we get these djs around here. I, for one, think it definitely enhances the scene because more people will come out. More people enjoying edm is only a good thing in my book. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............................ AVB - Nov 4 PVD - Nov 22

Great post. Personally, I don't care whether a DJ plays a tune that is one week old or 5 years old. Who cares? I love hearing some old classics in a club environment. It would be stupid to restrict DJs to only play tunes that no one has ever heard. It's all good, as long as music keeps the crowd moving and tunes flow nicely. I don't go to clubs to spot mistakes - I go there to enjoy the atmosphere and have fun. If a DJ fails to create this "atmosphere," then, IMO, he sucks. Tiesto's set may not have been technically sound, but the energy and aproper atmosphere were definitely there.

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Originally posted by Andryuha Great post. Personally, I don't care whether a DJ plays a tune that is one week old or 5 years old. Who cares? I love hearing some old classics in a club environment. It would be stupid to restrict DJs to only play tunes that no one has ever heard.

Sure, I couldn't agree more. But there needs to be a good balance between the two, I will personally never forget when KT played Three Drives. I thought I would never hear that track in a club environment ever again. But when you look at Tiesto's set he only played tunes that everybody knew and heard a million of times.

Not to mention, I've never seen a DJ whore himself out like that before. After the set was over it felt as if he played the entire "Elements of Life" album and then some. That was a big WTF for me. Sure he wants to promote his own album but this was simply ridicicilous. The entire night I was there I felt as if I was at the "Elements of life release party."

first off Igaryok your avatar is fucking hilarious... i don't know who is flicking off who but it makes me laugh every time

anyways, when this Ohio thread started I would have never imagined that people would be discussing issues such as these! In all seriousness, they would not sticky our thread because "there is not enough Ohio TA's, and not enough posts!"

Anyways, i'm so glad there are others here now that go out FOR the music, to HEAR the music and DANCE to the music... let me tell you guys here in Vegas its all about who is dressed the nicest, has the most girls with them, or who spends the most on bottle service in the VIP... nevermind the fact that we get headliners every damn day of the week... its ridiculous. It may sound odd but living here makes me miss the Cleveland scene... seriously. TBH if I was home I would have gone to see Tiesto... and some of the similar complaints *may* have been shared by me (being a DJ myself) but I would have gone and danced and had fun regardless, that is paramount... otherwise why the hell would I waste my time?!

where is the "turning point" for Cleveland these days? Because if someone said Tiesto was coming to Cleveland in 2000 it would have been a laughing matter... if you are disheartened by what Tiesto brought to the table, then for shit sake check out some of the local Cleveland DJ's and events... or the Akron one's... there is so much local talent like when the headrushmusic crew was doing their weekly at abbasso! If you expected different when you went to see Tiesto in CLEVELAND then you have not been around the EDM scene there for very long

It's weird because before I left when headliner's started getting booked on the regular in Cleveland, I noticed people showing up I'd never seen before... *some* I could tell didn't give 2 shits about the music nor the scene... I think it's good people critique these big name guys that *NOW* get booked in Cleveland but if you think its shite then don't go out, instead go to a local event!!!!

Once again, the paramount thing here is to enjoy the music and have fun. Anyone who didn't find what they were looking for I highly suggest you go to the Grand Poo-Bas webpage and subscribe to Doug's email list... he sends out local events weekly, and those events NEVER let me down while I lived there...

www.poo-bas.com -> click on "events"

cheers, kenneth thomas is in vegas tonight wooooohoo

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Originally posted by Igaryok People liked Tiesto's set? Who? Probably the same people that think they're in a presence of a God whenever they see Tiesto live. Honestly I hate seeing these "top 10" Dj's, there's no suprise whatsover to their sets. They play every track that has been hammered to death for the past year and think they've rocked the club. This was a huge problem with Tiesto, ATB, Gabriel & Dresden, etc. I might as well go to Beatport download the top 20 tracks for the year, load them into Winamp and call it a night. Ordinary listener? I guarantee you that an "ordinary listener" will not waste his/her time to post on a message board didicated to a specific genre of music. I also enjoyed the rest of your post. It's as if you're encouraging us to praise mediocrity? I thought the whole point of a message board was to share your thoughts or concerns even if they're not necessarily positive. I'm not knocking Tiesto, because he has done some great things in his time, once you sift through the shit. But this set was anything but great.

i'm not some evangelical trance addict....and you're right, the common listener wouldn't come onto a message board. i just think all too often, SPECIFICALLY, the "DJS" on this board jump all over a big-name act when they don't perform PERFECT sets every single time in every single place. If it weren't for DJ's such as Tiesto, Paul Van Dyk, Paul Oakenfold, etc this genre wouldn't even have a pulse. They've kept it alive on a larger scale world-wide so that all of you can enjoy the music and continue to make it. In the end it all comes down to marketing and the almighty $$, but if you go into every show with the mindset of "this is supposed to be like this or that" or for the DJs here "this isn't how I DO IT" you'll set yourself up for disappointment. Why even put that much thought into? I suppose I'm contradicting my very last sentence by putting this much thought into what I'm typing...
Again, just my observations---expressing my views that are not negative. I'm just a little sad that so many people are so freakin sad/depressed/critical of every little thing around here. Cleveland gets a bad rep. by and large b/c of the attitudes people possess--Negative.
I grew up on the east coast and cannot for the life of me figure out why people are so neurotic around here (cleveland) where everything is cheaper, less crowded, and there's so much potential to bring in so much culture.
Anyone read the article about keeping the EDM scene alive in "Scene" a few weeks back? Thoughts...

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Originally posted by AMMORA i'm not some evangelical trance addict....and you're right, the common listener wouldn't come onto a message board. i just think all too often, SPECIFICALLY, the "DJS" on this board jump all over a big-name act when they don't perform PERFECT sets every single time in every single place. If it weren't for DJ's such as Tiesto, Paul Van Dyk, Paul Oakenfold, etc this genre wouldn't even have a pulse. They've kept it alive on a larger scale world-wide so that all of you can enjoy the music and continue to make it. In the end it all comes down to marketing and the almighty $$, but if you go into every show with the mindset of "this is supposed to be like this or that" or for the DJs here "this isn't how I DO IT" you'll set yourself up for disappointment. Why even put that much thought into? I suppose I'm contradicting my very last sentence by putting this much thought into what I'm typing... Again, just my observations---expressing my views that are not negative. I'm just a little sad that so many people are so freakin sad/depressed/critical of every little thing around here. Cleveland gets a bad rep. by and large b/c of the attitudes people possess--Negative. I grew up on the east coast and cannot for the life of me figure out why people are so neurotic around here (cleveland) where everything is cheaper, less crowded, and there's so much potential to bring in so much culture. Anyone read the article about keeping the EDM scene alive in "Scene" a few weeks back? Thoughts...

Alright, now I've lived in Cleveland for the past three years. I moved here from Bombay, India where the clubbing scene is 2343242344048203834x better than most of the cities in the US minus LA, San Fran, NYC, Miami and DC (the big ones). So if you think I'm defensive, neurotic and/or critical, don't hold it against people from Cleveland. They're pretty darn nice IMO.

If you are a big dj, suck it up and take the feedback, even if it's us 'jealous' djs being critical. Trance and EDM has always been an underground scene, day in and day out people are trying to raise the bar by out doing themselves and trying to stick to original art. "Big Djs" who commercialize the shit out of the underground scene should atleast do it in a skillful manner.

If you were the #1 Dj in the world and were given the responsiblity of spreading the word of this underground culture, would you just go out and play w/e the eff you felt like?
I, personally, feel these famous djs have a lot of responsibility on their shoulders, if they screw up they are going to be criticized for it.

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