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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay don't worry, the big floppy italian penis between your legs is a bit more of a giveaway

LOL

without wanting to give TMI, that's an area where I am pretty satisfied with the effects of hormone treatments

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Originally posted by nefardec also i'm going to have like twice as much hair in general on my head due to the hormones

That's interesting, I had no idea this happened!

By the way, have you felt any differences in the way you see the world since you started taking hormones? I once heard an account of a transgender neuroscientist (yes, they exist!) and she claimed the way she makes physical operations in her head changed drastically from the time before she started taking the hormones. It was a bit more difficult, she claimed, to rotate objects and maps in her head. Unfortunately, I heard just this supposed disadvantage and couldn't find anything about the pros of having a oestrogen-fuelled brain.

So... have you felt any difference in this sense? Should I take this discussion to that other thread? And I hope I didn't phrase anything in a rude manner, this is all new to me, you know

Somewhere in Hoboken, Danny Tenaglia is crying at one less docking possibility.

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Originally posted by Lira It was a bit more difficult, she claimed, to rotate objects and maps in her head.

That doesn't come as a surprise, considering male brains are significantly better than females when it comes to spacial awareness.

No, I'm not being sexist. It's science.

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Originally posted by Lira That's interesting, I had no idea this happened! By the way, have you felt any differences in the way you see the world since you started taking hormones? I once heard an account of a transgender neuroscientist (yes, they exist!) and she claimed the way she makes physical operations in her head changed drastically from the time before she started taking the hormones. It was a bit more difficult, she claimed, to rotate objects and maps in her head. Unfortunately, I heard just this supposed disadvantage and couldn't find anything about the pros of having a oestrogen-fuelled brain. So... have you felt any difference in this sense? Should I take this discussion to that other thread? And I hope I didn't phrase anything in a rude manner, this is all new to me, you know

I'm actually pretty familiar with transgender neuroscience... constantly researching this stuff for personal reasons..

From my personal experience, the spatial thing has not been an issue, but you also have to remember I've been trained as an architect... I went to school for and spent several years of my life moving around maps in my head.

I will say that the emotional changes have been immense as you might able to gather from my postings here even. The major difference I can describe is that I experience emotions in a very direct and raw way now, no longer filtered through or controlled by my thoughts. As a result, when I become emotional, I have difficulty controlling the emotions even as I am conscious and aware of them, and even possibly how ridiculous they may seem to the thinking part of my mind... but I can only just ride them out and let them do their thing. The emotions also have more of a direct effect on my body and health as well.

I didn't think this would happen, but my music taste has changed significantly, mostly in that it has broadened a lot. A major part of this, though, is probably related to the fact that in general I have pulled up my roots so much in some aspects of my life that the destabilization has resulted in the uprooting of other aspects of my life. It's just a lot easier for me to experiment with things, take risks, change.

Otherwise as far as visual things go, I had a performance review at work yesterday, and everyone agreed my design work is the best it's ever been. I don't really attribute this so much to neurological changes as much as just finally really being happy and excited about life and all its adventures.

Actually there are studies* that show that a transgender brain is more similar to that of its 'subconscious' sex than its 'given' sex. ie, a transgender woman's brain (eg moi) has more in common structurally with a cisgender woman's brain than a cisgender man's brain - from birth. This creates a cognitive dissonance (called gender dysphoria) that almost all transgender people are aware of from a young age (myself included). The hormones really have the effect of dissolving this cognitive dissonance and also improving self image and confidence through physical changes. As far as neurological changes go, I imagine they probably have some effect on the growth of the brain, but obviously like all the changes ascribed to hormone replacement therapy, there is more effect the younger the patient is.

*I can link you if you wish

I like to wear pantyhose, what does that make me?

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay I like to wear pantyhose, what does that make me?

depends... so did henry the 8th...you could be a lot of things. why don't you tell us more, Jay?

so avana while we're on topic i was curious about your hair too... with the horomone treatments, will that reverse any male pattern baldness (i think that's what it's called) in the future? and has your hairdresser given you any product to help thicken your hair or prevent hairloss like 'nioxin'? you can have thinner hair and pull it off, it's just about how you style it.. but i'm sure you already know that, because you're already more stylish than me, lol! you look great, and you make a beautiful woman. i'm not just saying that to blow smoke up your ass, i think your transition is really moving along!

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Originally posted by nefardec *I can link you if you wish

Please do

And that's fascinating! Obviously, I can only know how emotions work for a testosteroneful cisbloke (i.e. me ) and the way you described your previous self does remind me of my very own way of dealing with emotions, so I'm wondering - can your girlfriend relate to this way of experiencing emotions?

And couldn't that be cultural as well? Maybe you feel more at ease to be emotional now that you're assigned a different gender?

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Originally posted by nefardec depends... so did henry the 8th...you could be a lot of things. why don't you tell us more, Jay?

Vanilla is the worst flavour in anything.

One day they are probably going to find me dead in a hotel room with a rubber fist up my ass and an apple in mouth.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay Vanilla is the worst flavour in anything.

Blasphemy!

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Originally posted by Lira can your girlfriend relate to this way of experiencing emotions? And couldn't that be cultural as well? Maybe you feel more at ease to be emotional now that you're assigned a different gender?

yes, and definitely yes. but i'm not just talking about being emotional in public, i'm talking about at home with my gf, or just privately in my head. the other interesting thing is that my gf and i get along a lot better.


links:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.11.007
http://www.gendercampus.ch/Common/L...nal.pdf#page=26
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034.full
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay Vanilla is the worst flavour in anything.

he speaks the truth.

snozberry sucks too.

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Originally posted by nefardec I'm actually pretty familiar with transgender neuroscience... constantly researching this stuff for personal reasons.. From my personal experience, the spatial thing has not been an issue, but you also have to remember I've been trained as an architect... I went to school for and spent several years of my life moving around maps in my head. I will say that the emotional changes have been immense as you might able to gather from my postings here even. The major difference I can describe is that I experience emotions in a very direct and raw way now, no longer filtered through or controlled by my thoughts. As a result, when I become emotional, I have difficulty controlling the emotions even as I am conscious and aware of them, and even possibly how ridiculous they may seem to the thinking part of my mind... but I can only just ride them out and let them do their thing. The emotions also have more of a direct effect on my body and health as well. I didn't think this would happen, but my music taste has changed significantly, mostly in that it has broadened a lot. A major part of this, though, is probably related to the fact that in general I have pulled up my roots so much in some aspects of my life that the destabilization has resulted in the uprooting of other aspects of my life. It's just a lot easier for me to experiment with things, take risks, change. Otherwise as far as visual things go, I had a performance review at work yesterday, and everyone agreed my design work is the best it's ever been. I don't really attribute this so much to neurological changes as much as just finally really being happy and excited about life and all its adventures. Actually there are studies* that show that a transgender brain is more similar to that of its 'subconscious' sex than its 'given' sex. ie, a transgender woman's brain (eg moi) has more in common structurally with a cisgender woman's brain than a cisgender man's brain - from birth. This creates a cognitive dissonance (called gender dysphoria) that almost all transgender people are aware of from a young age (myself included). The hormones really have the effect of dissolving this cognitive dissonance and also improving self image and confidence through physical changes. As far as neurological changes go, I imagine they probably have some effect on the growth of the brain, but obviously like all the changes ascribed to hormone replacement therapy, there is more effect the younger the patient is. *I can link you if you wish

This is really fascinating. It's probably hard to tell how much of this comes from actual hormonal changes and how much of it comes along with feeling liberated (coming out of the tranny-closet), but either way, it must bring an interesting feeling of freedom that you hadn't felt before.

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Originally posted by david.michael an interesting feeling of freedom that you hadn't felt before.

yeah, tits.

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Originally posted by david.michael This is really fascinating. It's probably hard to tell how much of this comes from actual hormonal changes and how much of it comes along with feeling liberated (coming out of the tranny-closet), but either way, it must bring an interesting feeling of freedom that you hadn't felt before.

mostly psychological, yes. liberating, definitely. it's provided me with an opportunity to pull back the curtain a little bit on my engagement with society. it's mostly a process of learning to love ones self and overcome fears. i mean that's the takeaway. the external 'omg this person was a boy and became a girl' is just the very tabloid-friendly tip of the iceberg. and yeah, it's fun, but i am wary of becoming lost in that and slave to it because then i will have really gained nothing.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay yeah, tits.

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Originally posted by nefardec mostly psychological, yes. liberating, definitely. it's provided me with an opportunity to pull back the curtain a little bit on my engagement with society. it's mostly a process of learning to love ones self and overcome fears. i mean that's the takeaway. the external 'omg this person was a boy and became a girl' is just the very tabloid-friendly tip of the iceberg. and yeah, it's fun, but i am wary of becoming lost in that and slave to it because then i will have really gained nothing.

I'm sure the "tabloid-friendly" aspect is helpful to embrace at first... making a hard decision fun instead of miserable is a bit of a no-brainer if you have that option.

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Originally posted by nefardec wigs are a drag

what you did there. i see it.

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Originally posted by Tasty Onions

I see a swan.

Haha.

I don't know how those Magic Eye things are done, actually. Making them would be problematic for me, anyway, because I've never been able to see them.

i see 4 dicks colliding in a massive explosion.

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