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Originally posted by colonelcrisp in the case of mondays events. when you have a couple hundred protestors show up to the "peaceful protest" wearing balaclavas, gas masks, and goggles that indicates they are planning to cause shit. when they start rushing the gates, the cops have every right to do their job and disperse the crowd in any means nessesary. if it was me on that line, the bullets wouldnt have been made of rubber. If you want to get your point accross, excersise your democratic right. protest, but protest peacefully, dont rouse up angry mobs of idiots because frankly it hurts your message more than it helps it. 3/4 of the people at taht protest didnt even know what the issues they were protesting were.

I wonder if the other agent provacateurs who were there to incite the mob knew what they were supposed to be protesting

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Originally posted by venomX All your points are good and valid, but the conclusion from all this information points more towards corruption and bad governance, not some worldwide conspiracy. Disinformation, detention centers, will surely provide the government with more power. No one here would argue that these are measures that should have been approved or implemented. That the American people are at fault for having been asleep and letting these things happen with impunity, is also something I agree with. But at the end of all this, corruption, thirst for power, egoism, money and ignorance explain these events better than some worldwide conspiracy. I've always find the information you post interesting and at moments have been absorbed into the possibility of some world wide conspiracy, but believing in this would have as a consequence the responsibility of taking action and sadly I am not one to take action on such flimsy evidence for the consequences of being wrong are worse than those of not taking action.

No, it is a worldwide conspiracy. They've been publically writing about their participation in it for years now so noone with any sort of real clue can say that it's not true.

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"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as �internationalists� and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure � one world, if you will. If that�s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller in his book Memoirs, Random House, 2002, P. 405 http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20030...er/memoirs.html

Glenn Beck on the NAU



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzihQ1bqXkw

Vincente Fox has confirmed that Bush and himself have talked about, and hoped for a common currency. He even said he would like to see a North American Union. He did it on the daily show and larry king.

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Originally posted by LazFX But its so cool to be anti-us and that is what fuels allot of this rhetoric

Quite the contrary!!!

I can't believe that you people are so quick to let our national sovereignty be eroded while at the same time you're actually cheering for the very people who are the ones doing it.

I can't help but say it now but I think that you and the rest of your goons are nothing but a bunch of mindlessly driveling traitors.

Upholding the status quo by not speaking up while British and other European banking interests are buying our country out from underneath of us is akin to treason in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Orko Vincente Fox has confirmed that Bush and himself have talked about, and hoped for a common currency. He even said he would like to see a North American Union. He did it on the daily show and larry king.

I've tried telling people this but they don't seem to want to listen to such conspiracies.

I guess I can't fully blame them though because their minds are no longer their own.

Senator Brogdon (Oklahoma) discusses the North American Union with G. Gordon Liddy

The constitution is very much in danger today. I hope we can all show our support in keeping this document as the supreme law of the land. I also think any president who violates their vow to protect the constitution should be impeached immediately. And if the people really want NAFTA, then they should do a referendum. But the neocons won't, because they know it will not pass, and so they will push their agenda in secret, and the media will continue under-report it.

Isn't the US suppose to be like the EU already? I mean we have 50 states and all are suppose to be run differently like it said in the constitution that all these states can run the way the people want and not have to worry about federal prosecution. All well. People forgot about that too.

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Originally posted by ams.rld Isn't the US suppose to be like the EU already? I mean we have 50 states and all are suppose to be run differently like it said in the constitution that all these states can run the way the people want and not have to worry about federal prosecution. All well. People forgot about that too.

No. The US is a Federal Republic. There are two sets of laws. State law, and federal law. Federal law almost always trumps state law. So for instance, California allows medical use of marijuana. Unfortunately, federal agencies can still arrest cancer patients and anyone using marijuana, because agencies like the Drug Enforcement Agency operate under federal law. They don't care about what Californian laws. The EU is a union of sovereign states. The states in the US are commonwealths, given the power to legislate state law, but not federal law.

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Originally posted by Krypton No. The US is a Federal Republic. There are two sets of laws. State law, and federal law. Federal law almost always trumps state law. So for instance, Denver decriminalized marijuana about a year ago. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that federal agent's can't arrest you for smoking weed in Denver, because they operate on federal law, not the law of Denver proper. The EU is a union of sovereign states. The states in the US are commonwealths, given the power to legislate state law, but not federal law.

But I was under the impresion that state laws run for the way people want and federal laws are meant to protect the people of the commonwealth from foreign threat only. I don't know it's just what I thought was the way the US was suppose to be run.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people

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Originally posted by ams.rld But I was under the impresion that state laws run for the way people want and federal laws are meant to protect the people of the commonwealth from foreign threat only. I don't know it's just what I thought was the way the US was suppose to be run.

True, state law is legislated by referendums and people's sentiments. Unfortunately, our federal law is very different. There are no referendums, or direct democracy. I wish it were so. Federal law is legislation for the "benefit" of the entire federation of states. States essentially surrender their sovereignty to the central federal government. I think in the EU, the states still have sovereignty? Like France and Germany still have sovereignty and don't surrender it to the EU?

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Originally posted by Krypton True, state law is legislated by referendums and people's sentiments. Unfortunately, our federal law is very different. There are no referendums, or direct democracy. I wish it were so. Federal law is legislation for the "benefit" of the entire federation of states. States essentially surrender their sovereignty to the central federal government. I think in the EU, the states still have sovereignty? Like France and Germany still have sovereignty and don't surrender it to the EU?

Yes, the EU have sovereignty and they are suppose to work together though for the benefit of their people. The states were suppose to be like that....shucks.

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Originally posted by ams.rld Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people

Yes, whatever powers not given to the central government are given to the state governments. So states can make their own laws, but they must not violate the constitution (law of the land). But sometimes, federal law and state law conflict with each other, and so states will sue the central government in federal court, and they fight it out.

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Senator Brogdon (Oklahoma) discusses the North American Union with G. Gordon Liddy

This video is very important, IMO. Sen Brogdon and G. Gordon Liddy are far from being "conspiracy theorists."

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Originally posted by Trancer-X This video is very important, IMO. Sen Brogdon and G. Gordon Liddy are far from being "conspiracy theorists."

If they are not conspiracy theorists than what are they?

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Originally posted by ams.rld If they are not conspiracy theorists than what are they?

Conspiracy realists

unless people wake up soon, there will no longer be a USA

I sincerely still don't see why, even if true, integration is such a problem. It has worked well for Europe, China is planning its own little economic union with SE Asian countries. The fact is, the world will keep going towards integration. If the US chooses to stay out of any of the blocks it will simply lose the economic benefits one can derive from such unions. At the end of things, the US will be the one to suffer. Don't thing the good times that are being enjoyed now will last forever. Things that don't evolve die my friend.

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Originally posted by venomX I sincerely still don't see why, even if true, integration is such a problem. It has worked well for Europe, China is planning its own little economic union with SE Asian countries. The fact is, the world will keep going towards integration. If the US chooses to stay out of any of the blocks it will simply lose the economic benefits one can derive from such unions. At the end of things, the US will be the one to suffer. Don't thing the good times that are being enjoyed now will last forever. Things that don't evolve die my friend.

That's because you're apparently only looking at the issue superficially.

The ramifications of destroying our national sovereignty run much deeper than those in power would ever want to have to debate, hence the reason why they're trying to accomplish much of this under a cloak of secrecy.

And it's hardly what I'd call evolution. To me it appears to be more along the lines of an ill-considered form of crony capitalism which could easily slide into fascism and/or complete totalitarianism, an idea which I do in fact wish would die.

Obama feigns ignorance

Obama Feigns Ignorance of CFR, NAU

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
April 1, 2008

Is it possible Barack and Michelle are like ships passing in the night? Is it possible Michelle does not talk to her husband about the Council on Foreign Relations? Michelle Obama is on the board of directors of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, founded in 1922 as the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations. And yet here is Obama in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, telling people he is clueless about the elite organization. "I don�t know if I�m an official member. I�ve spoken there before. It basically is a forum where people talk about foreign policy. There is no official membership.

"I don�t have a card, or you know a special handshake or anything like that," Raw Story reports.

Ha ha, Obama makes funny. But while he claims to be clueless about the CFR, even though his wife heavily involved in the globalist organization, Obama cannot deny the fact one of his key advisers is at the very epicenter of the CFR � Zbigniew Brzezinski. Chase Manhattan godfather David Rockefeller set Brzezinski up as the Trilateral Commission�s first executive director from its inception in 1973 until late 1976 when he was appointed by President Jimmy Carter as Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In order to understand what Brzezinski, and thus Obama, have in mind for us, it is important to read Brzezinski.

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society," writes Brzezinski. "Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.

It�s rather amusing to hear Zbigniew diss the Bush neocons. But when the rubber meets pavement there is little difference, all are on a CFR schedule. "The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission � founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller � and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. "They are fighting against citizens," says Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D. a former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner.

"In 1983/4 I warned of a take-over of world governments being orchestrated by these people," explains Koeppl. "There was an obvious plan to subvert true democracies and selected leaders were not being chosen based upon character but upon their loyalty to an economic system run by the elites and dedicated to preserving their power�." All we have now are pseudo-democracies.

It looks like Obama, chosen for his "loyalty to an economic system run by the elites and dedicated to preserving their power," may have a shot at becoming the next decider-commander. He may play stupid when it comes to an impromptu question about the CFR, shrewdly turning such into a joke that makes the person who asked the question look like yet another conspiracy nut, sort of like Timothy McVeigh. It also helps to pretend to be clueless about the North American Union, as Obama would have us believe he is, acting like he has never heard the term before (see video; truly an Academy Award performance when it comes to denying knowledge of the NAU, once again making the man asking the question about it in Lancaster come off as another tinfoil hatter, probably in need of a gentle little prod with a taser, as suggested by members of the corporate media).

After addressing the conspiracy nuts, Obama told sweet little lies about NAFTA. It�s OK to diss NAFTA now because after he is "elected," Obama will do whatever the global elite tell him to do, even send the last remains of good American jobs to the China slave labor gulag and preside over the third-worldization of the once great United States, destined for extinction as its economy is dismantled. As usual, the American people will be none the wiser. "The people of the western world have been trained to be good consumers; to focus on money, sports cars, beauty, consumer goods. They have not been trained to look for character in people," writes Koeppl.

Indeed, and as the laughter in this video reveals, when Obama sarcastically mentions the secret CFR handshake, most people are either blissfully unaware of the CFR and what they have in mind for them � read the Brzezinski quote above � or they are not sufficiently trained to scoff at mention of the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergers, and declare: you must be one of those black helicopter nuts.

Obama trips over North American Union, as if he has never heard of the NAU or the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, the latter directly connected to NAFTA, a topic Obama, or his handlers, believe they can exploit. But you can�t have it both ways � declaring to be against NAFTA and at the same time feigning ignorance of the NAU. It doesn�t wash.

But then maybe it does, considering the people who will vote for Obama. Not only are Americans "trained to be good consumers," they are trained to think every four years that all they have to do is throw the last set of bums out and install a new crew. Obama was selected because his only obvious experience is he can talk the talk and deflect questions about his association with the CFR. And that�s the only experience required by the New World Order.

The NAFTA Superhighway being brought up in the House

C-Span



Ron Paul says that it appears to be collusion between secret government and big business



Lou Dobbs on the NAFTA Superhighway

The North American Union has now even been reported upon by FOX of all stations? lol

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