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too many video games, not enough brains. even fully suppressed rifles have some flash...which makes you dead meat.

edit: i was in the army for 2 years. not a fag will job either.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay you would be rejected from the military for mental incompetence for this suggestion. even with a fully suppressed sniper rifle, your enemy would eventually find the direction of your 700 bullets and kill you. a canadian soldier holds the record for a 2km (i think fuck wiki) kill. why would you just pump bullets and give your location up? life isn't gta. stick to flac.

Aha, so I guess those weapon engineers who produce these fully automatic rifles should also stick to FLAC, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_SVU

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Originally posted by Chimney This is based on your expertize of weapons or something?

I'm a marksman and used to regularly participate in competitive shooting of various calibers, with ranges from 20 to 800 meters, so I like to think I can at least comment on it.

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Although the effective range of the weapon is only 400m (most modern sniper rifles have an effective range of 1000m), the fire rate of 30 rounds/min in automatic mode make up for this. However, the rate of fire in standard sniper mode is only around 5 rounds/min.

It's a sniper rifle that has less than half the effective range of most sniper rifles. So essentially it's an assault rifle with a high-powered scope.

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Originally posted by Acton I'm a marksman and used to regularly participate in competitive shooting of various calibers, with ranges from 20 to 800 meters, so I like to think I can at least comment on it.

Well I'm not, so maybe a plain explanation for someone who doesn't know these things, thus the question, would be good, without having to jump at my throat.

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It's a sniper rifle that has half the effective range of most sniper rifles. So essentially it's an assault rifle with a high-powered scope.

Ok, seems valid.

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Originally posted by Chimney This is based on your expertize of weapons or something? If the situation calls, a long rage fully automatic weapon can have its purpose.

There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team).

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Originally posted by Chimney Aha, so I guess those weapon engineers who produce these fully automatic rifles should also stick to FLAC, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_SVU

they do it for hillbilly americans that love guns but never went to war.

stealth is never 500 bullets. every extra shot means the chance of being located is higher. even fully suppressed with a flash muzzle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longes...ed_sniper_kills

i was wrong about one thing, but you were wrong about everything.

"something was made for purchase by the general public for covert warfare. yeehaw, stick it in your grandma"

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team).

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard There are lots of long range fully automatic weapons; however, there is no way to "snipe" in full auto. When it comes to actual sniper operations (as opposed to say just sharp shooting) it is all about math... distance to target, weight of round, powder charge, altitude, wind, barometric preassure, humidity, temperature, etc... are all variables that need to taken into consideration to determine exactly how one needs to aim in order to hit the target; such a complex process does not lend itself to multiple shots in rapid succession let alone full auto. Additionally, the margin of error for a long shot is tiny, any minor movement of the weapon will result in a major movement in the point of impact. The first shot will unquenstionably move the rifle thus the second shot will have no reasonable probability of landing anywhere near the target over a long range, each successive shot gets worse and worse. Ultimately, there is no need for a fully automatic "sniper" rifle because there is no application in which a "sniper" would use even a three round burst let alone full auto. The application for full auto is short to medium range suppression, not something a sniper team is likely to need; however, if necessary the spotter on a sniper team will normally carry an assult rifle (perhaps two for a three person team).

Thanks for the explanation.

i was just a grunt with a blue helmet. great post moral, because i flame.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay i was just a grunt with a blue helmet. great post moral, because i flame.

Why do you have so many aliases?

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Originally posted by Chimney http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSS_Vintorez

That thing is such a POS. I wouldn't throw it into the same class as many other marksmens rifles, purely because the 9x39 is a subsonic, short range round. The gun is used by Russian special forces.

Chimney, snipers, at least independent recon snipers, work in teams, in groups of two or three. Shooter, spotter, security. The spotter and security have semi-automatic/burst fire weapons.

Almost no one shoots full auto unless they are using a GPMG or automatic rifle (that term means something different in military parlance than it does in common reference) like the M249 or M240, where the point is to deliver large volumes of suppressing fire.

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Ah, I see Moral Hazard covered this.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Why do you have so many aliases?

because your mum doesn't love you.

Being the spotter in a sniper team must be so lame.

they actually have more training than the guy shooting.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay they actually have more training than the guy shooting.

This.

The shooter is just dialing in what the spotter tells him. Wind, range, etc.

The shooter has to be skilled, no doubt about it, and they get all the glory cause they are the trigger puller, but its a joint effort, one can not exist with out the other in a lot of circumstances.

it all comes to who has the steadiest hand whilst shooting. the actual location and calculation is the smartest dude in the group. i say this as a guy that played medal of honour.

One of my favorite sniper videos... No killing, but it shows the prep that goes into what these guys do.



Basically he is registering target areas at this FOB so that if there is an attack he already has all the range information to certain points on the hills around him. He just needs to shift his calculations off of that when engaging enemy.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby One of my favorite sniper videos... No killing, but it shows the prep that goes into what these guys do. Basically he is registering target areas at this FOB so that if there is an attack he already has all the range information to certain points on the hills around him. He just needs to shift his calculations off of that when engaging enemy.

They don't use rangefinders for that ?
Also the sound of the m107 is so different in arma2, its sad

is that Restrepo FOB ?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Being the spotter in a sniper team must be so lame.

I can't speak for all forces but in the Canadian forces all three members of a sniper team are trained and capable of firing the weapon. Taking the shot is the easiest part of being a sniper... stalking, ranging, keeping weapon logs, doing the calculations, etc. that's where the real skill is. I seem to recall Rob Furlong (formerly had the record for longest kill at about 2.5km) saying in an interview that anyone on his team could have made the shot, it just happened to be his turn holding the weapon.

Take off that silly hat, dog.

I think huskies are the most derptastic of all breeds.

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