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Are bootlegs legal or download?

If bootleg remixs are not released because they havent gotten permission, therefore are bootleg remixes legal to download?

Sure, so long as you delete them before the RIAA police come after you!

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Well, I'm not a legal expert. However, with that disclaimer out of the way, I have a feeling that it would be just as illegal.

Artist A makes a track. Artist B remixes it without permission. Artist A doesn't like the remix. If Artist A still has rights over the track in question, despite the fact that it's a remix, why would it be any different when it comes to filesharing? Artist A still has rights over it.

So then is it illegal for djs to play out bootlegs or remixes that werent approved? like Evanescne - Hello (G&D remix)?

If they can play bootlegs without consequences, then we should be able to just download it.

If producing the track is illegal, then surely sharing an illegal track would also be illegal as well. Think of it as handling stolen goods or something like that.

However, in most cases, i doubt that they really care. That's why DJs don't get pursued and busted for playing bootlegs.

i dont see a problem with stealing from a thief

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Originally posted by Dmatrox So then is it illegal for djs to play out bootlegs or remixes that werent approved? like Evanescne - Hello (G&D remix)? If they can play bootlegs without consequences, then we should be able to just download it.

I have no idea, as I'm not a legal expert.

Your thinking isn't very logical though. You're basing it on a call to authority, which is a logical fallacy.

indeed.

also known as an appeal to authority.

its not illegal to MAKE a bootleg. it would be illegal to officially distribute it for a profit. i don't see any problem with artists making bootlegs.

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Originally posted by Vigilante indeed. also known as an appeal to authority.

That's right. I can never remember the right names, but I remember their functions. Which is all that really matters.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller its not illegal to MAKE a bootleg. it would be illegal to officially distribute it for a profit. i don't see any problem with artists making bootlegs.

yes i'm fairly sure thats the correct answer. As long as no one is profiting from it, it is not illegal.

ya, so if no profits arise, then its perfectly okay to download the bootleg because profits arent being lost.


i dont see the relevance of bring up appeal to authority

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fall...-authority.html

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 yes i'm fairly sure thats the correct answer. As long as no one is profiting from it, it is not illegal.

Actually I think the correct test is whether or not the original artist is losing any money from the bootlegger's actions. If you're somehow losing money from a bootleg despite the fact that it was never sold, merely played, I think you'd still have a case.

Again, not a legal authority.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 Actually I think the correct test is whether or not the original artist is losing any money from the bootlegger's actions. If you're somehow losing money from a bootleg despite the fact that it was never sold, merely played, I think you'd still have a case. Again, not a legal authority.

i think a case could definitely be made for that if a situation like that arose. however, when you consider the audiences of say radiohead and tiesto...those losses aren't going to be felt...

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Originally posted by Dmatrox ya, so if no profits arise, then its perfectly okay to download the bootleg because profits arent being lost. i dont see the relevance of bring up appeal to authority http://www.nizkor.org/features/fall...-authority.html

You said person A is doing it. Person A is not getting in trouble for it. By the same respect, I should be able to do it too without fear of legal repercussions.

It's the same idea as a call to authority. In this case the person not getting in trouble is acting as the (unwilling/unknowning) authority.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i think a case could definitely be made for that if a situation like that arose. however, when you consider the audiences of say radiohead and tiesto...those losses aren't going to be felt...

I've got a feeling that's probably something to be decided upon by the judge and which group gives the judge a better bribe

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Originally posted by Tranc3 I've got a feeling that's probably something to be decided upon by the judge and which group gives the judge a better bribe

well...perhaps, but i don't think its very likely to happen hehehe . no one likes legal work. its expensive and tiresome...

If remixes are made that arent for profit and people download it, i beleive its legal.

okay case closed.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox i dont see a problem with stealing from a thief

Thank you! Personally, I don't see a problem with 'stealing' from the RIAA as well....but then again....it's hard to tell the difference !

I think making a bootleg's illegal whether you're making money out of it or not, but the producers of the original are less likely to give a damn if nobody's making money.

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Originally posted by Vigilante If producing the track is illegal, then surely sharing an illegal track would also be illegal as well. Think of it as handling stolen goods or something like that. However, in most cases, i doubt that they really care. That's why DJs don't get pursued and busted for playing bootlegs.

Djs can play anything they want. Thay can mix tunes from all sorts and that is not illigal. Radiohead - steet spirit (tiesto rmx) What is illegal is to release it and claim that is yours or release the remix without the artist permission.

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Originally posted by Buddhistics Thank you! Personally, I don't see a problem with 'stealing' from the RIAA as well....but then again....it's hard to tell the difference !

Stealing from the RIAA is not "stealing from thieves", its just stealing from the original source, its not hard to tell the difference



End result: everyone can download bootlegs or unreleased remixes because no profits are lost due to downloading.

bootlegs are 9/10 times in breach of copyright in the first place so this makes it no different to someone buying a record, ripping it and sharing it on the net, except in this case someone has bought 2 records, mashed them together and then sharing the end product on the net..

logic now tells me its twice as illegal

if its illegal then why are people making remixes (like the amateur production forum) and sharing it? If TA does not truely support file sharing then its enforcing something then turning around and doing it, in reference to the amateur productions forums of remixes.

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