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Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 10:28:

Enough is enough!

People, listen up.
Let's make this the LAST thread about the USA issue, the devil and muslims. What happened there is very tragic. And if you find it painful and sad, why do you have to keep reminding your selves about it all the time? Don't get me wrong, I find it tragic and sad as well.
But this is getting really annoying along with the fact that they are cancelling all good TV shows and soccer games here in Europe.
Do you know how many threads you people have started about this thing?
Especially the devil thing and the world war 3. Let's make this forum look like it did a month ago again, hopefully without James though.
Please don't start new threads about this.


Posted by beroshima on Sep-14-2001 10:36:

Thumbs down

Some people here knew people who died in the attacks.

It is serious - we could be on the brink of WWIII.

Many of us Americans could get drafted.

A good portion of NYC is destroyed.


So, let's talk about football?????

Easy to say, when you're sitting pretty in Sweden...


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 10:43:

quote:
Originally posted by beroshima


So, let's talk about football?????



No, idiot. But if you have something more to say , don't start a new thread about it. I have relatives in Chicago, Pittsburgh and New York as well, so I know how it is being worried, as I was afraid as hell.


Posted by tu_face on Sep-14-2001 10:46:

he never said it wasnt horrible and all.. many people over here in the UK have also lost friends and loved ones.. no-one is saying that this isnt a tragic disaster.. he is just saying that we already hear it and see it all over the news so we dont need 90 threads about the WTC tragedy...

1 will do.


Posted by beroshima on Sep-14-2001 10:48:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
he never said it wasnt horrible and all.. many people over here in the UK have also lost friends and loved ones.. no-one is saying that this isnt a tragic disaster.. he is just saying that we already hear it and see it all over the news so we dont need 90 threads about the WTC tragedy...

1 will do.


That i'll agree on.

I don't appreciate being called an idiot, though...


Posted by Eye-Riz on Sep-14-2001 11:05:

Tsss, if anyone wants to start a thread, they van do it from my point of view. How can you say what can and what not? If you don't want to read what people have tosay, then just DON'T! Let people say what they want, it's just a way to express themselves, and maybe this helps them to come over it! I agree with you that that thread about the devil is stupid, but hell, you're not obliged to read it, are you?!?


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 11:11:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
he never said it wasnt horrible and all.. many people over here in the UK have also lost friends and loved ones.. no-one is saying that this isnt a tragic disaster.. he is just saying that we already hear it and see it all over the news so we dont need 90 threads about the WTC tragedy...

1 will do.


I'm glad somebody understands. You're absolutely right tu_face.


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 11:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Eye-Riz
Tsss, if anyone wants to start a thread, they van do it from my point of view. How can you say what can and what not? If you don't want to read what people have tosay, then just DON'T! Let people say what they want, it's just a way to express themselves, and maybe this helps them to come over it! I agree with you that that thread about the devil is stupid, but hell, you're not obliged to read it, are you?!?


Exactly!
I have the right to start THIS thread! This is MY way to express myself. And you're not obligated to read THIS thread, neither to give me stupid comments, I've had enoughof those allready.

And if I lost a friend or a relative, I wouldn't go to a music foum in order to come over it, I know better ways. And I don't think people will come over anything by posting threads about the devil.


Posted by Peter Campbell on Sep-14-2001 11:26:

quote:
Originally posted by [A|ienFactory]


Exactly!
I have the right to start THIS thread! This is MY way to express myself. And you're not obligated to read THIS thread, neither to give me stupid comments, I've had enoughof those allready.

And if I lost a friend or a relative, I wouldn't go to a music foum in order to come over it, I know better ways. And I don't think people will come over anything by posting threads about the devil.



As to the comment "it really is beyond me why you feel a need to tell as all" I think this is quite hurtful and disrespectful. Everyone deals with horrific events such as this in different ways and by far the most common reaction is to want to talk about it with people...family, friends, work colleagues etc etc. This is what psychologists try to get people to do to work through the emotions. To be cutting this channel off from people could potentially lead to further emotional trauma than would otherwise have happened. To chastise people for doing it is one step worse IMO. As has been stated previously, if you don't wish to talk about it, don't even open the thread.

Personally, I am opposed to any form of censorship stamets on grounds of racism, intolerance etc etc to have a third party remove them is IMO an attack on freedom of speech. If he wants to retract them that is a different story. I certainly hope that this thread is not "locked" to prevent offtopic discussion as that would be a massive step downhill in this forum's evolution.


Posted by tu_face on Sep-14-2001 11:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Eye-Riz
Tsss, if anyone wants to start a thread, they van do it from my point of view. How can you say what can and what not? If you don't want to read what people have tosay, then just DON'T! Let people say what they want, it's just a way to express themselves, and maybe this helps them to come over it! I agree with you that that thread about the devil is stupid, but hell, you're not obliged to read it, are you?!?


these forums are unfortunatly going downhill.. this is partly due to the amount of stupid useless threads that repeat othersm, and useless posts by some members that have absolutly nothing to do with the thread subject. fuck it, i dont need to say this, u should have read the announcement from swamper already..

what alienfactory was getting at was the fact that there was (and still is) about 6 threads saying exactly the same thing and doing nothing but taking up space.. ive merged 2 as it is.. but others would look silly merged cuz the post order isnt the same and ppls replies wouldnt make sense...

we are fine with letting people say what they want (within reason obviously) but when people dont actually look at the forum and make a thread thats exactly the same as another then over time it gets a bit tedious.

hope this puts the point accross clearly

and lets not turn this into another flame war... for trance's sake


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 11:34:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face


these forums are unfortunatly going downhill.. this is partly due to the amount of stupid useless threads that repeat othersm, and useless posts by some members that have absolutly nothing to do with the thread subject. fuck it, i dont need to say this, u should have read the announcement from swamper already..

what alienfactory was getting at was the fact that there was (and still is) about 6 threads saying exactly the same thing and doing nothing but taking up space.. ive merged 2 as it is.. but others would look silly merged cuz the post order isnt the same and ppls replies wouldnt make sense...

we are fine with letting people say what they want (within reason obviously) but when people dont actually look at the forum and make a thread thats exactly the same as another then over time it gets a bit tedious.

hope this puts the point accross clearly

and lets not turn this into another flame war... for trance's sake


Thank you!
I couldn't have said it better.
I'm sorry if anybody missunderstood me and thought I don't even care about what happened.

Peace.


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 11:38:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Pete



As to the comment "it really is beyond me why you feel a need to tell as all" I think this is quite hurtful and disrespectful.


Who said that???


Posted by Eye-Riz on Sep-14-2001 11:46:

Tu_face, I understand what you mean, and I totally agree. If that's what Alienfactory means (If you translated his words well) then I understand. But I don't see what's so difficult in asking politely? Why jumping on someone for giving comments, telling them they are idiots and giving stupid comments? Would be nice if some people over here watched their language a bit... An yes I saw Swamper's remark. Don't know him, but I totally agree.
Freedom of speech doens't mean you don't have to respect other people!


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 11:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Eye-Riz
Why jumping on someone for giving comments, telling them they are idiots and giving stupid comments?


HE jumped on me. And your comments were stupid as you have nothing to say, you were just trying to piss me off, and later enjoy some flaming, but still remain neutral. You don't even have an opinion, you are afraid to say what you think because people might hate you later. That's weak. Now you have 2 meaningless posts where you basically have nothing to say actually. I stay out of threads where I neither agree nor disagree with someones opinion, being neutral and not having a point is meiningless.


Posted by Eye-Riz on Sep-14-2001 12:08:

Sorry Dude, but I NEVER flame! I just tell my opinion. I don't post to get many posts (I think that's stupid). If you think otherwise, please be my guest. But don't give it out on me if you feel personally attacked (even when that wasn't the case, I think neither of us wanted to attack you) If people don't agree with someone, then that doens't mean they have something personal against that person...


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 12:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Eye-Riz
Sorry Dude, but I NEVER flame! I just tell my opinion. I don't post to get many posts (I think that's stupid). If you think otherwise, please be my guest. But don't give it out on me if you feel personally attacked (even when that wasn't the case, I think neither of us wanted to attack you) If people don't agree with someone, then that doens't mean they have something personal against that person...


You DID attack me, because I called him an idiot (I'm sorry for that.) and because I said you had stupid comments. And the thing is that you don't agree with anybody, and you don't either disagree with anybody. I've said what I wanted to say, and I'd like us to stop this discussion since it's off-topic, and your posts annoy me(That doesn't mean I have something against you).


Posted by Eye-Riz on Sep-14-2001 13:08:

you're not telling anything new, just saying what you already said (speaking of useless posts )
You just want to have the last word. Very mature.


Posted by Miss Proximus on Sep-14-2001 13:25:

Sorry for this useless post, but I just want to make clear to ALien that Beroshima is a gurlie...just for the record


Posted by beroshima on Sep-14-2001 13:40:

Oi! Proxy... not cool..

Why do I have to defend myself? - For the record - Post what you like, but I do agree (after he explained himself) that it's stupid to have 1000 individual threads, all on the same thing. I only agreed w/ Tu - NOT Alien, who's been an asshole about this whole thing...

Call it girly, I just call it smart.


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 13:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Eye-Riz
you're not telling anything new, just saying what you already said (speaking of useless posts )
You just want to have the last word. Very mature.



Now, that was a completely useless post. Total waste of keyboard.
YOU just wanted to have the last word. YOU!


Posted by Dj Lex on Sep-14-2001 14:00:

You are childish [Alienfactury] she is right, you want the last word. Respond on this so you can have the last word


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Sep-14-2001 14:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Lex
You are childish [Alienfactury] she is right, you want the last word. Respond on this so you can have the last word


Why don't you just use the copy/paste function, as it's obvious you can't spell my nick right???


Posted by Fundamental on Sep-14-2001 14:55:

OK OK!!

Maybe this thread should just be locked or deleted or whatever, because this is nothing more than an argument for the sake of it.

We don't need this - listen to John Lennon...

"All you need is Trance.... Da da da da da....."


Posted by Miss Proximus on Sep-14-2001 14:59:

quote:
Originally posted by beroshima
Oi! Proxy... not cool..


ok ok...now I need an explanation!


Posted by Gekhous on Sep-14-2001 21:05:

Exclamation

im with ya Alien!!!! i didnt visit the forums the past few days, cuz i just knew id be just threads bout what happened. ok, it was horrific what happened, but iz not like the world stopped spinning...

and Eye-Riz, u do flame, u flamed me and Rudy SEVERAL times already on the Holland forum (esp. in the asielzoekers thread!!!!)

Prox, i think Berosh doesnt know ur a girlie 2 or smth, taking u saying that shes a girlie as an insult or smth


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