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Yes "Hats"... I struggle with them!

I've been producing for about 2-3 years now, but I can never fit my hi hats nicely into the mix and they always seem out of place.

Could anybody give me a description of where to place the different kind of hi hats? For instance are the open hats meant to be centre, or panned left and right?

I could give you a loop if it would be easier to tell what I'm doing wrong, but I have'nt any webspace.

Any help would be appreciated... Thanks!

well, don't make them too loud, and try adding a slight delay to them, play around with the settings, also mess about with the pitch (does it sound better up a note?) also try lots of different samples until you find one that works well with your mix

I usually keep my open hats in the centre and pan the closed hats.
I also use multiple layers of closed hats, all playing a different pattern, possibly slight amount of delay on each pattern as well. When you combine all the layers you usually get a pretty thick and driving hat pattern

Hi serp thanks for the quick reply...

The main problem that I have is where to actually place the hats in the mix. I will make a loop and feel that its sounding good, but when I listen back the next day it always sounds too mono, if you know what I mean?

I use RM IV for all my drums by the way.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I usually keep my open hats in the centre and pan the closed hats. I also use multiple layers of closed hats, all playing a different pattern, possibly slight amount of delay on each pattern as well. When you combine all the layers you usually get a pretty thick and driving hat pattern

Thanks for sharing how you do it mate... I will try that out.

Everybody else's thoughts are welcome.

dont just use hats then, use a whole bunch of things for your percussion ! then all you'll probably need is one open hat in the middle

perhaps you could upload us a clip so you can show us what you mean

Yes I'd like to upload a clip but I have'nt got any web space to host it. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

i pmed you

1- lower da volume of hats
2- give it a delay & little amount of reverb
3- try lots of samples to see which one is the best

the samples advocate has sent me:

download zip

the sample without the bass sounds fine but the one with the bass sounds terrible, what exactly are you doing? are you applying some kind of compression to the mix?

Yeah I agree the one with bass sounds terrible. I think I left a comp on the master while rushing this morning.

I'm more interested about opinions on the hats in the drum loop, do you think they sound ok?

Sorry for OT but how did you create that bass?

There are just two layers to the bass. A simple rolling bass that I used Vanguard to create. Then I used Z3ta+ for the top riff.

It did'nt sound too bad before I compressed the life out of it

shall we get back to the subject of hats please and not quickly made basslines. thanks

Well, first of all, you don't have any kind of clap/snare in there, which causes the track to lose its drive.

Other than that, it doesn't sound too bad, tho it is a bit basic. Try to add some unconventional sounds in there, maybe some quick drumfills etc. I usually use some sort of a breakbeat loop in the background which is sliced to bits and then rearranged (low end shaven off, of course).

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Well, first of all, you don't have any kind of clap/snare in there, which causes the track to lose its drive. Other than that, it doesn't sound too bad, tho it is a bit basic. Try to add some unconventional sounds in there, maybe some quick drumfills etc. I usually use some sort of a breakbeat loop in the background which is sliced to bits and then rearranged (low end shaven off, of course).

Thanks for your input there mate...

I wanted to leave the clap out and try to focus on the hats. The reason I added a file with a bassline is because the hats always seem out of place once I add the bass, for some reason.

So would you say the hats are placed ok in the mix?
I kept the open hat in the centre, then I panned the closed hats left and right about 40% with a slight delay. I also added some background percussion that panned from left to right.

Great tip about the break loop btw... I'll definately give that a try

Yup, the hats are sounding quite fine to me.

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