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Time to ban Collies!

Lets hope the Ontario government doesn't get wind of this or else its doggy heaven for these breeds too.

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RCMP attending autopsy of little boy who was mauled to death by dogs Wed Dec 29, 4:30 PM ET MAPLE RIDGE, B.C. (CP) - RCMP said Wednesday they would attend the autopsy of a three-year-old boy who died after being mauled by one or more dogs. RCMP said earlier that the boy suffered multiple dog bites to the face and head. The boy was rushed to hospital where he was pronounced dead. The police said the results of the autopsy would be provided to the coroner's office for its review. As well, the Ministry of Children and Family Development is working with the RCMP in its investigation of the tragedy, said spokeswoman Theresa Lumsdon. Police said part of their investigation would be to determine whether criminal charges are warranted and to ensure that the three remaining children are in proper care. "We want to make sure it's a safe and secure home," said Lumsdon. The child's distraught mother, Sherry Fontaine, 32, was hospitalized on Tuesday after police were called back to the residence in the community east of Vancouver. The other children were staying with relatives, said Lumsdon. Police said the adults in the house were sleeping when the attack took place. Four dogs were in the house at the time of the incident including three Rottweilers and a collie. Two of the Rottweilers were being cared for by the family while their owner was away. Police said the dogs were being kept in a closed-off basement area but escaped and attacked the child. It was then that the family called 911 at about noon, police said. One Rottweiler and the collie have been put down.

The article doesn't specifically say that the collie attacked the child. It states that the collie was amongst the other dogs in the basement.

Well the collie was put down! And i guess rottweilers should be banned too?

I've always thought rottweilers were dangerous.

As an aside, it was probably the owners choice to put down the dogs. Perhaps they weren't sure if the collie was the "perp" of this particular incident, but after your child has been mauled to death, do you really want to take any chances?

So you think we should ban them too? Why dont we just ban all dogs and make it mandatory to declaw cats?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Well the collie was put down! And i guess rottweilers should be banned too?

It could of been a Labrador Retriever and they still would of put it down. Do you see a whole lot of Lab or Collie maulings in the news? I'm sure it's a big conspiracy that only Rottie attacks are shown by the media.

I think the problem here is that politicians are passing these laws such as banning pitbulls to "wag the dog" and make it look like they are doing something while they actually do nothing (except break promises)

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I think the problem here is that politicians are passing these laws such as banning pitbulls to "wag the dog" and make it look like they are doing something while they actually do nothing (except break promises)

everything is one big conspiracy theory to you, isn't it?
I don't know how you sleep at night. You must always be awake, worrying about how the government is going to screw you over next.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I think the problem here is that politicians are passing these laws such as banning pitbulls to "wag the dog" and make it look like they are doing something while they actually do nothing (except break promises)

Meh, government could be doing much better I agree, there's so many different ways things could be streamlined and so on. However you should appreciate what you have, our government, our policies, our judicial system are still hailed as one of the best in the world. Imagine countries like Nigeria or even Iran that are unbelievably oil rich, but have incredibly corrupt governments that steal everything from the people. Yes I know (ad scandal blah blah, it's nothing compared to the corruption of these governments). You have a right to complain, I agree, it's your right as a citizen to question our government, but also remember it's so much worse everywhere else.

That still doesnt excuse them from trying to control our lives. Sadly i feel that we are sliding out of the comfortable life that you just describe mainly because we are all so passive. We let governments get away with SO MUCH now because we don't care. "Don't bother me with that stuff, im too busy driving my SUV to care!" seems to be our slogan.

Well one day we will wake up in the third world and not even realize how we got there. Remember that in 1930s Argentina was the richest country in the world. In 1960s Afghanistan was a robust country that was favoured amongst backpackers for prestine beauty and wealth. These are extreme examples but they do provide warning for smug countries like us to keep our government in check even in the best of times.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 That still doesnt excuse them from trying to control our lives. Sadly i feel that we are sliding out of the comfortable life that you just describe mainly because we are all so passive. We let governments get away with SO MUCH now because we don't care. "Don't bother me with that stuff, im too busy driving my SUV to care!" seems to be our slogan.

So what are you doing about it, other than bitching on a message board and voting PC?

Actually im trying to organize a rally through "mychoice.ca". However my issue goes beyond just smoking which is why im thinking of starting my own organization. I just need a good web designer who will donate some time to the cause.

I hate this type of Chicken Little reporting...

Anyone remember transport truck tires flying off on our highways?
At the time, there was several reports in the paper and on other media regarding this 'problem'.
Now we don't see anything?
Why?
Did tires all of a sudden stop coming off trucks?
Probably not, but its amazing what you think it important because the media put it under the microscope for you...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I hate this type of Chicken Little reporting... Anyone remember transport truck tires flying off on our highways? At the time, there was several reports in the paper and on other media regarding this 'problem'. Now we don't see anything? Why? Did tires all of a sudden stop coming off trucks? Probably not, but its amazing what you think it important because the media put it under the microscope for you...

YUP!

The media is half the problem. They are also part of what killed the rave scene.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Actually im trying to organize a rally through "mychoice.ca". However my issue goes beyond just smoking which is why im thinking of starting my own organization. I just need a good web designer who will donate some time to the cause.

Cool.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 That still doesnt excuse them from trying to control our lives. Sadly i feel that we are sliding out of the comfortable life that you just describe mainly because we are all so passive. We let governments get away with SO MUCH now because we don't care. "Don't bother me with that stuff, im too busy driving my SUV to care!" seems to be our slogan. Well one day we will wake up in the third world and not even realize how we got there. Remember that in 1930s Argentina was the richest country in the world. In 1960s Afghanistan was a robust country that was favoured amongst backpackers for prestine beauty and wealth. These are extreme examples but they do provide warning for smug countries like us to keep our government in check even in the best of times.

Canada ending up as a third world nation is non-sensical. It was built on a solid constitution and solid judicial system that is first and foremost paramount in any form of government. If you mean how the government is "controlling" well guess what things are changing, Canada was even more socialist before. We had an idealistic welfare state mentality. Government gets away with less and less then ever before. Think about it, useing Ontario as an example. People were fed up with Bob Rae's NDP government so they voted in Harris who thought himself to be the harbinger of change.

And whattyah know he did! Mike "the knife" slashed programs slashed government privatized as much as possible. And guess what happend? The people got fed up again! Good ol Erny beared the full brunt of the tainted meat scandals, and let us all not forget walkerton and how the PC party tried to cover that up.

Now let's back up for a second. Don't forget Canada has sound econimics and regulations that are being de-regulated more so now then ever. Government control in social affairs may seem like it's growing, however government control in economics is becoming less and less.

p.s Yea you got it, i'm avoiding doing work, does'nt that piss you off since i'm being 5% less productive?

Lets see, Federal Liberals lie and steal billions and get re-elected THREE MORE TIMES!

Provincial Liberals lie, cut services and raise taxes and yet still lead in the polls.

Doesnt sound like much opposition to me!

And saying that Canada cannot become a third world country is a bit of nonsense. If we don't prevent corruption, social engineering, and brainwashing now then we could definately become that way. I say the same for the US. They are going broke as we speak!

PS: Mike the knife? Well at least when "the knife" cut programs he also lowered taxes and cut down the debt. Mcguinty "the axe" is still cutting programs but this time he is RAISING taxes and INCREASING the debt. Something doesnt add up here.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Lets see, Federal Liberals lie and steal billions and get re-elected THREE MORE TIMES! Provincial Liberals lie, cut services and raise taxes and yet still lead in the polls. Doesnt sound like much opposition to me! And saying that Canada cannot become a third world country is a bit of nonsense. If we don't prevent corruption, social engineering, and brainwashing now then we could definately become that way. I say the same for the US. They are going broke as we speak! PS: Mike the knife? Well at least when "the knife" cut programs he also lowered taxes and cut down the debt. Mcguinty "the axe" is still cutting programs but this time he is RAISING taxes and INCREASING the debt. Something doesnt add up here.

He cut down the debt? Last time I checked our debt grew hence our problem lately with the Liberals. That is why we're seeing our taxes increase. You think any government be it Libs or Cons likes increasing taxes? It's very unpopular no matter who you are. I seriously doubt the libs will be elected again unless they do some major good by the way.

Corruption give me a break, see it realistically corruption exists everywhere fortunatly it's less then most other places (that we know of) In the U.S it's so painfully obvious it's to the point of being rediculous.

look at this example, you may not find something wrong with this but I do.
In the U.S there is no cap to how much a corporation or individual can donate to a single congressman or senator. When congress is in session and they're voting on a particular bill or what not and a particular congressman votes in favour of the bill which in turn will benefit some private corp, then the pages (y'know the little boys who run around congress giving the congressmen and women their papers) go over to them with envelopes full of cash. This actually happens, it's the private sectors constitutional right to give money to whomever they want whenever they want.

And what about private sector corruption? Is the government only responsible to be fair and just at all times? What about MCI Worldcom, Enron, shady dealings by RBC, CIBC, so on and so on. They don't fleece the taxpayers they fleece the shareholders. I guess that makes it ok?

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Originally posted by Skipper The article doesn't specifically say that the collie attacked the child. It states that the collie was amongst the other dogs in the basement.

Yes, but Jayx1 makes headlines as good as CNN and FOX NEWS.

Frigging Collies.

I was bit by a Lhasa Apso on Xmas Eve, so I say we ban them too!

Seriously. The little f***er bit me when i tried to pet him at my cousin's party.

As an avid dog lover (My most recent was a massive (120 lbs) deaf Dalmation named Luke the Wonder Dog (who knew sign language!)I appreciate the responsibility of owning a large (and very strong) dog.

I was lucky that Luke was a pussy-cat (err... not quite the right metaphor for a big dog, but you get the idea) and loved kids. If he was agressive, I would have had a tough time controlling him, I think.

While I certainly would never argue that a certain breed of dog is dangerous, I do believe that dog owners have a pretty good idea of the temperment of their dog, and need to be very vigilant of that. When a dog is large, strong, or known to be agressive, the mix can be very dangerous.

The little shit who bit me BTW has a long history of agressive behaviour - and while I was aware of this, I was drunk and thought that we might be able to work things out between us *smile*.

Once again, I am in utter amazement that i am (at least to a degree) agreeing with JayX1. We really need to meet sometime, because I am curious to see what a bona fide shit-disturber looks like (and i say that with tongue frimly planted in cheek)

Chris

Err... also going to comment on the political tone. Having worked as an aide to a Provincial Cabinet Minister (not telling which one - or which party... other than to say i don't always vote for them) I have a fair idea of what is taking place here.

a) The government really doesn't have the money they thought they were going to have. Probably bad economic planning on the part of the opposition who don't have the resources (or even the access) to real economic figures. I actually think the Liberals are onto something when they want to force the government to perform a financial audit *before* an election... That way everyone truly understands where the finances stand.

b) They need to look like they are making policy and acting in the public interest - even when they don't have the money to actually do so.

c) They choose a number of high profile issues (made so by the media) that may or may not be important to any particular individual, to promote in their agenda. why? BECAUSE NONE OF THESE COST ANYTHING TO IMPLEMENT (or at least cost very little). Think Dog banning, Smoking legislation, Video Game classification, etc.

My personal experience is that very few people who work in Queen's Park are there to somehow screw people over. The hours are long (I used to be at work for 7:00 am breakfast meetings, work through lunch and dinner (and God know's that although private companies would pay for meals for emplyees working overtime - think law firms downtown who have in-house caterers, or even the pizza I order for my guys when we work past 5 - we had to pay for our own) 4 or 5 nights a week I was still there at midnight. The pay is low compared to most similar private sector positions. Most people think they are doing the best they can, given the craziness of public life, the intense focus the media places on everything, and the complexities of getting anything done in one of the most progessive democracies in the world.

Should the Liberals be stepping up to the plate? Absolutely. To suggest that they are inept or malicious though is probably untrue and unfair.

Gee... that was a rant eh?

Hi Chris

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Originally posted by chrismack Err... also going to comment on the political tone. Having worked as an aide to a Provincial Cabinet Minister (not telling which one - or which party... other than to say i don't always vote for them) I have a fair idea of what is taking place here. a) The government really doesn't have the money they thought they were going to have. Probably bad economic planning on the part of the opposition who don't have the resources (or even the access) to real economic figures. I actually think the Liberals are onto something when they want to force the government to perform a financial audit *before* an election... That way everyone truly understands where the finances stand. b) They need to look like they are making policy and acting in the public interest - even when they don't have the money to actually do so. c) They choose a number of high profile issues (made so by the media) that may or may not be important to any particular individual, to promote in their agenda. why? BECAUSE NONE OF THESE COST ANYTHING TO IMPLEMENT (or at least cost very little). Think Dog banning, Smoking legislation, Video Game classification, etc. My personal experience is that very few people who work in Queen's Park are there to somehow screw people over. The hours are long (I used to be at work for 7:00 am breakfast meetings, work through lunch and dinner (and God know's that although private companies would pay for meals for emplyees working overtime - think law firms downtown who have in-house caterers, or even the pizza I order for my guys when we work past 5 - we had to pay for our own) 4 or 5 nights a week I was still there at midnight. The pay is low compared to most similar private sector positions. Most people think they are doing the best they can, given the craziness of public life, the intense focus the media places on everything, and the complexities of getting anything done in one of the most progessive democracies in the world. Should the Liberals be stepping up to the plate? Absolutely. To suggest that they are inept or malicious though is probably untrue and unfair. Gee... that was a rant eh?

good rant =]

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Originally posted by chrismack Err... also going to comment on the political tone. Having worked as an aide to a Provincial Cabinet Minister (not telling which one - or which party... other than to say i don't always vote for them) I have a fair idea of what is taking place here. a) The government really doesn't have the money they thought they were going to have. Probably bad economic planning on the part of the opposition who don't have the resources (or even the access) to real economic figures. I actually think the Liberals are onto something when they want to force the government to perform a financial audit *before* an election... That way everyone truly understands where the finances stand. b) They need to look like they are making policy and acting in the public interest - even when they don't have the money to actually do so. c) They choose a number of high profile issues (made so by the media) that may or may not be important to any particular individual, to promote in their agenda. why? BECAUSE NONE OF THESE COST ANYTHING TO IMPLEMENT (or at least cost very little). Think Dog banning, Smoking legislation, Video Game classification, etc. My personal experience is that very few people who work in Queen's Park are there to somehow screw people over. The hours are long (I used to be at work for 7:00 am breakfast meetings, work through lunch and dinner (and God know's that although private companies would pay for meals for emplyees working overtime - think law firms downtown who have in-house caterers, or even the pizza I order for my guys when we work past 5 - we had to pay for our own) 4 or 5 nights a week I was still there at midnight. The pay is low compared to most similar private sector positions. Most people think they are doing the best they can, given the craziness of public life, the intense focus the media places on everything, and the complexities of getting anything done in one of the most progessive democracies in the world. Should the Liberals be stepping up to the plate? Absolutely. To suggest that they are inept or malicious though is probably untrue and unfair. Gee... that was a rant eh?

Not really...especially since you actually WORK(ed) in the Legislature and give us first hand insight as to what goes on in there...


As for the dog thing....I think the Collie was the mastermind & payed the Rotties off in kibble to snuff the kid...



Seriously its sad that this had to happen

Banning breeds isn't the best route to administer a solution to the problem (however it is better than nothing at all).

IMO - the best way to solve the problem is to open up dog owners of all breeds to unlimited civil liability in the event that a dog does in fact bite.

The idea of getting sued to the point of poverty might make people manage their animals a little better and choose breeds that present less risk.

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