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the ultimate & final supersaw thread! (gather all supersaw discussions in here)

Okay I can see 3 different threads just on the frontpage of this forumsection right now that handles the subject of the supersaw sound in different forms. And if that wasn't enough at least one new thread about the subject pops up everyday and the new guys on the board get's flamed and so on.
So...I thought that a subject that's so discussed deserved it's own thread so we can gather all the info in here instead of spreading it over like 20 threads/week.

So post all your questions, answers and all the info you can come up with that has to do with the supersaw sound

So first off, what is a supersaw, it's basicly 7 detuned saw waveforms. The original supersaw is created with the jp8000 and/or the jp8080 synth created by Roland.
Sound on Sound described the supersaw short but quite clearly in their review of the JP8080...

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The JP8080 is a 10-note polyphonic, two-oscillator synth � giving it two more notes of polyphony that the JP8000. Both oscillators have the option of sawtooth, square, triangle and noise waveforms (the JP8000�s noise waveform was available only on oscillator 1), but oscillator 1 takes things a step or two further, with its �Super Saw� emulating seven detuned sawtooth waves, and monophonic �feedback� waveform.

Can't get clearer than that

To give examples of how the supersaw sounds, just listen to classics like Rank 1 - Airwave or Cygnus X - Superstrings (Rank 1 remix)

so now it's your turn, ask questions if your'e new to this subject or just feel free to post any info that I forgot to write here about this o so hated and overused waveform

ahh I just remembered, for thoose of you using reason I have a combinator preset that I created that you might like if your'e looking for a supersaw sound for reason.

Soundexample
Combinator patch
Reason file

Feel free to use in comercial and non comercial productions


I've seen lots of other patches created by you folks here so share them if you can/want

come on now...everyone say "i love vizay" and a big THANK YOU

Hooray, another supersaw thread!!

Can we have a supersine one too?



No, obviously its a good thing, but can we sticky these please?

There a new one every week asking the exact same questions. Maybe Vizay wants to go and collect all the posts from previous ones and put them in here or something

Rate my supersaw?

This is an interesting thread
I guess this is as good a place to put this here.

Rate my supersaw?

Re: Rate my supersaw?

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Originally posted by BshidoHEAT This is an interesting thread I guess this is as good a place to put this here. Rate my supersaw?

LOL....AWESOME SUPERSAW

is that the stock preset on 3xosc

^ hey cock bag how about writing something more helpful maybe?
No it's not a 3xOSC preset, I did a few quick tweaks (with no fx added btw), and I put it up here so someone may help me on it... is that idea too complicated for you? Because it's hard to get something over your head if it's so far shoved up your ass.

okay my intention wasn't to bring another flamewar to the light

I'll try to gather all the usefull info during the day and put it in here, meanwhile you guys can compare who has the longest pe....errm I mean supersaw

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Originally posted by Vizay okay my intention wasn't to bring another flamewar to the light

I don't want a flame war either.
I'm just looking for anything helpful, and all I get is this smartass remark.

Hopefully this should be the last time I post something derogetory in this thread.

props to viz...!!


and i challenge you to do like same way..


spread your presets

yeah, lets all produce the same sound all over again, and again, and again, and again again..

pherhaps we could share some already made riffs and bass to go along, and YES, maybe some percussion loops while we are at it..

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Originally posted by Subtle yeah, lets all produce the same sound all over again, and again, and again, and again again.. pherhaps we could share some already made riffs and bass to go along, and YES, maybe some percussion loops while we are at it..

but still it is the most used sound and everyday a new thread with questions about it pops up, if you doon't want to use the sound then don't. I myself doesn't use it because I think it's way to overused but I still think it's better to gather all info about it in one thread instead of 25...get it?

so please if you don't have anything usefull or constructive to say just keep it to yourself, mkay?

I personally use supersaw for freeform..

it's da nuw style.. trance in 170 bpm

Can this really be the end of the super saw ?? Nuh now way man !

Re: Rate my supersaw?

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Originally posted by BshidoHEAT This is an interesting thread I guess this is as good a place to put this here. Rate my supersaw?

I think that you're confused as to the meaning of supersaw. No offense intended, what you have sounds like a cheesey riff using a casio keyboard.

If you want a powerful supersaw, you need to use a powerful synth. A JP8080 is ideal; a virus works well. z3ta+ works for software, you can also fiddle with vanguard and v-station but your results will be harder to come by.

Use multiple polyphony; it's a sound that envelopes the entire sonic spectrum, and it needs certain FX and tweaks to sound decent. Span 6 octaves if you have to in order to achieve a powerful and strong supersaw.

And if you need that extra "air" in your supersaw.. the secret is to add a little pink noise.

Cheers, hope this helps someone.

Re: Re: Rate my supersaw?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I think that you're confused as to the meaning of supersaw. No offense intended, what you have sounds like a cheesey riff using a casio keyboard. If you want a powerful supersaw, you need to use a powerful synth. A JP8080 is ideal; a virus works well. z3ta+ works for software, you can also fiddle with vanguard and v-station but your results will be harder to come by. Use multiple polyphony; it's a sound that envelopes the entire sonic spectrum, and it needs certain FX and tweaks to sound decent. Span 6 octaves if you have to in order to achieve a powerful and strong supersaw. And if you need that extra "air" in your supersaw.. the secret is to add a little pink noise. Cheers, hope this helps someone.

I appreciate this post bro , I'm still a hella noob when it comes to producing .

naw.. it's not pink noise, I know what that sounds like.
I'm just not keen on using supersaws,I only have one song that uses them for leads, nor am I familar on what everything does or means (like polyphony, thanks for introducing me to this btw) so I just keep experiementing and tweaking. And like I said before, that sample is pretty raw (no reverb, no delay, no eq...).

Those synths you mention, I always hear about, (z3ta, and virus and such) and I probably won't ever use because their not free. I only use free soft synths, because I'm poor and lazy. So my collection isn't too big, but how about supersaws in free synth's like Superwave P8, Synth 1, Triangle 2?

Indeed, it does help sir

Be careful with noise additions... I don't like this technique, I rather use a low pass filter with resonance like this :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/TranceDevot...ofemergency.mp3

If your saws are well detuned there will be enough "noise"

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Originally posted by everyMan Be careful with noise additions... I don't like this technique, I rather use a low pass filter with resonance like this : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/TranceDevot...ofemergency.mp3 If your saws are well detuned there will be enough "noise"

What did you use to make that one?

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Originally posted by everyMan Be careful with noise additions... I don't like this technique, I rather use a low pass filter with resonance like this : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/TranceDevot...ofemergency.mp3 If your saws are well detuned there will be enough "noise"

Damn, that's pretty impressive, I thought.

Heres my attempt

http://www.deepvoyage.pwp.blueyonde...uperstrings.mp3

Hi again!

I will soon post some more sounds.


Here's some examples of my JP-8000 emulation for VAZ Modular!

http://www.martinfay.com/sounds/Kire/



Best regards,
Kire

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Originally posted by Vizay ahh I just remembered, for thoose of you using reason I have a combinator preset that I created that you might like if your'e looking for a supersaw sound for reason. Soundexample Combinator patch Reason file Feel free to use in comercial and non comercial productions I've seen lots of other patches created by you folks here so share them if you can/want

I'm really a trance noob..well i don't really pay attention to all the artists, but what is that song..at the very start of your mp3 demo.

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Originally posted by raZor I'm really a trance noob..well i don't really pay attention to all the artists, but what is that song..at the very start of your mp3 demo.

Pulser - my religion

ohh and btw, fr thoose of you owning reaktor 4 or 5 I can warmly recomend rb2k's supersaw v.2, it's as close as you can get to a jp8000 imo

my attempt on a supersaw. 10 minutes of work, guess what it is?! :P

it aint the best, but its late and I dont think straight anymore ...

http://winterwave.pri.ee/SuperSaw.mp3

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Originally posted by everyMan Be careful with noise additions... I don't like this technique, I rather use a low pass filter with resonance like this : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/TranceDevot...ofemergency.mp3 If your saws are well detuned there will be enough "noise"

nice one, what synth did you use for this beauty? Or is it a sample?

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