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Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

Hi everyone,

I don't post on TA nearly as much as I did before because I don't really enjoy the new trance that is coming out as much as I'm liking other stuff that's coming out in the house, techno, dnb and broken beat spheres. However, I was compelled to post this as a reaction to the latest Tiësto set I heard and some other people's reaction to it.

DJ Tiesto - 2005-11-20 - Live @ Club Duplex - Prague, CZ

01. Reflekt ft. Delline Bass - Need To Feel Loved (Fuzzy Hair Vocal Mix)
02. Erick E - Boogie Down
03. Late Night Alumni - Empty Streets (Seamus Haji & Paul Emmanuel Remix)
04. Eric Prydz & Steve Angello - Woz Not Woz (Version 2)
05. Elio Riso & Raffunk – To Be Or Not To Be
06. Coca & Ville - La Noche
07. Paul Jackson & Steve Smith - The Push
08. ID
09. Electro-Prompt - Beside Me (Gothek DC Remix)
10. The Killers - Mr. Brightside (Thin White Duke Remix)
11. Way Out West - Mindcircus (Gabriel & Dresden Club Mix)
12. Booka Shade - Mandarine Girl
13. Sublunar - Sanctuary (Antidote’s Tech Remix)
14. ID
15. Matthew Dekay - Clearing The mind
16. Petersky & Peres - Hello Ladies
17. Luminary - Amsterdam
18. Pryda - The Gift
19. ID
20. Andain - Beautiful Things (Gabriel & Dresden Unplugged Mix)
21. ID
22. BT - Mercury & Solace (12” Master Mix)
23. Above & Beyond & Andy Moor - Air For Life (Original Mix)
24. Tiesto - Traffic (Original Mix)

AT LAST! An interesting trance set by Dutch trance superstar in 2002. But then, someone criticized the set based on the mixing skills:

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Originally posted by DJ Chris S Are you guys kidding?? this set is fucking horrbile?!! I just got it and listened to it.. the mixing is brutal. Air For Life to Traffic was one of the worst mixes i've ever heard... I normally do like Tiesto and it's not that I don't like a lot of the tracks played, but the flow of the set was horrible imo. He musta been really messed up or something for this one.. haha oh well.. thanks for the link anyways

So I reply:


Those type of transitions really started to stand out and shock people during that period where he used Umek-Gatex as his sets' closer back in 2002. I remember all the trance crackers complaining when he mixed Suburban Train into Gatex and calling that mix an abomination, a crime....but I absolutely LOVED it.

The great thing about Tiësto was how unpredictable his sets were, especially using the typical Tiësto harsh contrast transition. The abrupt shift of gears. That kind of mix might sound ugly and unnatural in terms of beatmatching and musical flow, but it's actually one of the techniques that has made me like Tiësto more than the other trance DJs that are more traditional in their flow and mixing. Why? Because the contrast does wonders in the dancefloor and effectively alters the mood of the listener....

Tiësto has been doing these kind of mixes from early on, but most notably since 2002 and the incorporation of techier tracks in his sets. Some of his transitions of this type have been masterful like the classic Umek-Lanicor into In My Memory (V-One remix) in Impulz 2002. This one you're referring too wasn't nearly as nice...but I definitely understand what he was trying to do music-wise.

I mean, the real reason that Tiësto's mixing skills started to get harsh criticism back in 2002 was precisely his innovation and his experimentation in track selection and especially track placement.

Before late 2001, early 2002 no one really complained that much about his mixing skills. But all of a sudden his mixing skills went downhill? That's ridiculous. Tiësto experimented and changed our outlook of trance. He was the key to the evolution of Dutch trance back then, and pushed the melodic anthem to its techier edges. He was also instrumental in diversifying the genre and gave space to a wider array of styles that were flourishing edm movements at the time such as techno, prog and breaks. Eventually the other "superstars" followed through. Armin mashing up Gatex, Ferry following Tiësto's lead out the anachronistic Gouryella formula a good two years after Tijs did, PvD using Plastikman-Spastik as a leading track in his 2005 Jahr Maximal set when Tiësto had done the same thing in a much more original and original way (mixed into Alibi-Eternity's drums) in the Dutch Dimension 2-2-2002 marathon solo. Not to mention all the other mid-famed to minor producers that adapted and evolved their own sound to the new style that had been pushed by Tiësto's impact on the scene.


Did the whole trance movement degenerate after 2003? Definitely. Did Tiësto's fame get to his head and most of his sets after 2003 became uninspired jibberish nonsense for the clueless masses that adored him simply out of commercial success and name recognition? No doubt.


Is Tijs Verwest the most influential DJ and producer in the history of Dutch trancedom. From my perspective he definitely is, and history will give him his due credit.

Tiësto Sucks vs. Tiësto Rocks Thread #23548625987624097651098525

I just had to at the thread title. I have nothing else to offer.

looks like all the trance dj's are slowly adding little by little more housier tunes to their sets...just an observation...

Sorry, but what a crock of shit that post was. I too have nothing else to offer, but that really needed to be said.

judging by that tracklist I can clearly notice that Tiesto have been really innovating himself by playing Traffic in every single set for the last 2 years. That deserves an applaude!

Truly a mastermind of a DJ.

Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by Pio The great thing about Tiësto was how unpredictable his sets were, especially using the typical Tiësto harsh contrast transition. The abrupt shift of gears. That kind of mix might sound ugly and unnatural in terms of beatmatching and musical flow, but it's actually one of the techniques that has made me like Tiësto more than the other trance DJs that are more traditional in their flow and mixing. Why? Because the contrast does wonders in the dancefloor and effectively alters the mood of the listener.... Tiësto has been doing these kind of mixes from early on, but most notably since 2002 and the incorporation of techier tracks in his sets. Some of his transitions of this type have been masterful like the classic Umek-Lanicor into In My Memory (V-One remix) in Impulz 2002. This one you're referring too wasn't nearly as nice...but I definitely understand what he was trying to do music-wise. I mean, the real reason that Tiësto's mixing skills started to get harsh criticism back in 2002 was precisely his innovation and his experimentation in track selection and especially track placement.

Call it whatever you want man, but if any other DJ than Tiesto would mix like that, people would just say his mixing is crappy as hell.
Heck, if I'd put a mix online here with that kind of mixing, people would be all over me saying that I needed to improve my beatmatching skills and that I mixed way too roughly, and they'd probably even say that my trackselection was too random and not very logical most times.

Face it, it's just because it's Tiesto that you're giving this kind of explanation and calling it innovative. And sure, the crowd might like it, but I (being a DJ myself) can't help getting shivers (in the bad sense of the word) whenever I hear him trainwrecking or clashing melodies...
And sure, his trackplacing may be innovative, but why on earth should that be an excuse for not being able to beatmatch those tracks that don't "belong" together?

Although I still maintain that Tiesto was better in 02, I dont think this set is necessarily bad. I got it the other day and Ive heard worse sets.

Heard better too tho.

Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by Pio Before late 2001, early 2002 no one really complained that much about his mixing skills. But all of a sudden his mixing skills went downhill? That's ridiculous.

Actually, it's not ridiculous. Tiesto himself has stated in interviews that his mixing has been subpar as of late. He blames it on his complete transition to CDs, which he says are harder to mix than vinyl, thus why he trainwrecks.

Re: Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Actually, it's not ridiculous. Tiesto himself has stated in interviews that his mixing has been subpar as of late. He blames it on his complete transition to CDs, which he says are harder to mix than vinyl, thus why he trainwrecks.

Whicn in and of itself is an asinine remark.

Pio, please listen to ISOS 4 and then come back and tell us that Tiesto's transitions are good

By the way.

This thread will be 10 pages long by tomorrow morning

Re: Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Actually, it's not ridiculous. Tiesto himself has stated in interviews that his mixing has been subpar as of late. He blames it on his complete transition to CDs, which he says are harder to mix than vinyl, thus why he trainwrecks.

excuses excuses....he just needs to admit, that he's got down the shitter

Re: Re: Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by UWM Whicn in and of itself is an asinine remark.

Oh, I agree with you on that one. Apparently Tiesto has a learning disability, because everyone else seems to have mastered it by now.

Re: Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Actually, it's not ridiculous. Tiesto himself has stated in interviews that his mixing has been subpar as of late. He blames it on his complete transition to CDs, which he says are harder to mix than vinyl, thus why he trainwrecks.

Oh ok, now the cds are the reason why his mixing sucks lately?

Come on, nearly all djs changes to CD-Only (Armin, Markus) and they can still beat-match...

Re: Re: Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by Rockabye Oh ok, now the cds are the reason why his mixing sucks lately? Come on, nearly all djs changes to CD-Only (Armin, Markus) and they can still beat-match...

You didn't get to my 2nd post, did you?

I can't believe more of you guys haven't heard that he gave this excuse yet.

that tracklist isn't interesting, seriously, this is tiesto showing that he can be a trendwhore aswell. wonder if M.A.N.D.Y., Tiefschwarz and company can slow down the pace of the bandwagon so he can jump on it, he would look so good on it.

Pio, I couldn't agree with you more. I just wish he didn't HAMMER his songs as much as he does in his livesets.. but I have always loved Tiesto and I always will.

Think of it this way, take other peoples comments into consdieration, but always go with what your heart feels.

Re: Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Actually, it's not ridiculous. Tiesto himself has stated in interviews that his mixing has been subpar as of late. He blames it on his complete transition to CDs, which he says are harder to mix than vinyl, thus why he trainwrecks.

Why does he mix CD only now?

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Originally posted by cryptic_reign but I have always loved Tiesto and I always will.

even if he continues to wave his hands in the air 95% of the time on stage cause he knows he can get away with it?

same with oakenfold... he's hanging on by his past when he truly was great, and all you sheep are STILL buying it

Re: Re: Tiësto is one of the most underrated DJs on TA

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Actually, it's not ridiculous. Tiesto himself has stated in interviews that his mixing has been subpar as of late. He blames it on his complete transition to CDs, which he says are harder to mix than vinyl, thus why he trainwrecks.

source, please?

well, that guy did make a point that no one else has made before. tiesto does do random transitions. and, i liked ISOS4. also, where can i get this set???

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Originally posted by Azz3D even if he continues to wave his hands in the air 95% of the time on stage cause he knows he can get away with it? same with oakenfold... he's hanging on by his past when he truly was great, and all you sheep are STILL buying it

yep...they don't deliver good livesets, they do nothing for the trance-scene and they don't produce any good tracks anymore.

can't understand why people still cheer for them.

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Originally posted by Azz3D even if he continues to wave his hands in the air 95% of the time on stage cause he knows he can get away with it? same with oakenfold... he's hanging on by his past when he truly was great, and all you sheep are STILL buying it

I love ISOS 4 and Nyana.. he hasn't done anything IMHO to stir me the other way. In fact, I just bought the Just Be 12" today.. love it.

I saw him at his peak in 2001, he was an awesome guy and drove the place mad. I stood behind his booth the entire time (it was a cage) and he signed two things for me, and joked around with me a bunch. Very cool guy.

Would love to comment on the state of Tiesto circa 2005 but all we in southern California had this year was the TIC show in LA.

Ah no way.

The last couple of years we could count on several club appearances per year. None this year in southern California or San Francisco.

The few 2005 live sets I've heard were so-so. But I did and still love ISOS4 cd2.

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