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the unmixable song...?

this may be a newb question but -

i cannot for the life of me beat-match the track "i need you" by JTB no matter how close the BPM of the other track. no matter what pitch i play it at the slightest incremental move of the pitch control sends it train-wrecking to either side.

does anyone else have this track and experience the same problem? is it maybe a problem with the record itself?

i'm a relative newb but i never have this trouble with any other track and can usually get a pretty tight match between any 2 beats so i don't think it's the turntables that are the problem.

my setup is 3rd-hand technics 1200s and behringer something-or-other mixer.

cheers

Is this a whitelabel? how does the record look?, any warping?

I have encountered a couple records that have been pressed badly and will fluctuate in pitch quite abit.

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Originally posted by DannyO Is this a whitelabel? how does the record look?, any warping? I have encountered a couple records that have been pressed badly and will fluctuate in pitch quite abit.

it's an original from liquid pulse, bought from a reputable aussie shop. it doesn't spin quite flat but not drastically.

i don't notice the pitch speeding/slowing, it just seems to have a weird timing signature that is really difficult to match or something - it's too fast so i/ll slow the deck down and then adjust the pitch the minutest amount and it's suddenly way too slow.

are there any production factors that could make a song just not fit with anything else?

some songs naturally change pitch... even if its only a little bit.. or even if it seems like a quality pressing, it might have some small defect...

just ride the pitch slider and play it by ear.

or maybe try cueing it up in a different place and seeing how that goes?

yes like its already been mentioned there are tracks with "unnatural tempo's"...a common example is G&D's "Arcadia" (original mix) jumps from 128 to 129 or something like that in merely the last minute or so...so you can either memorize the increment that it jumps or if your fast enough you can catch it before your incoming track is brought in...try mixing from the middle of your track on a breakdown to see if it does the same thing.

thanks for the thoughts, i'll give those ideas a shot. so far i've just cued it slightly too fast and held my finger on the spinner to slow it own just enough, but it's a pretty shitty result.

cheers

it might be worth ripping that particular track as an mp3 and analysing it on teh computer (perhaps sony acid or something) and if it does fluctuate in tempo, u might have to cut it up a bit and 're-sync' it so to speak. burn it onto a cd and get the CDJ out

practice more

no joke

i had tracks i thought were "unmixable"

i go back to those now and think "wow, this is easy"

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Originally posted by Tony Morello practice more no joke i had tracks i thought were "unmixable" i go back to those now and think "wow, this is easy"

true


i thought the same about some breaks tracks by hybrid... firstly i thought it just impossible, but now it's piece of cake... almost

Sometimes with Whitelabels or even regular prods you can get some really dodgy cut and paste style edits that can screw you up.

Also if the hole in the vinyl isn't in the centre can also have an impact.

Cheers
Nem

cat like reflexes

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Originally posted by carreux i don't notice the pitch speeding/slowing, it just seems to have a weird timing signature that is really difficult to match or something - it's too fast so i/ll slow the deck down and then adjust the pitch the minutest amount and it's suddenly way too slow.

if the track is only the slightest bit to fast why not just bring it in and correct with the platter?

considering that your other thread on this page is titled 'basic mixing question', i would recommend that you just keep practicing until you think youve practiced enough. then practice some more.

also, check out the sticky threads in the dj booth for some good info.



razzi.

i couldnt mix back into the funk (dub) and now.... its an easy one.. some tracks are just funky and u need to get used to them.

Sonicvibe - Desert Island has a weird beginning. Speeds up as the track goes on.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Sometimes with Whitelabels or even regular prods you can get some really dodgy cut and paste style edits that can screw you up. Also if the hole in the vinyl isn't in the centre can also have an impact. Cheers Nem

^^i think you might be onto something. i'll check out the hole.

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Originally posted by carreux i'll check out the hole.

thats what she said.


wait..?


sorry i couldnt resist

Rip that problem vinyl track onto MP3 and upload it and I can check the bpm for drift at several points along the length. Can do it to within .01 bpm.

^^thanks for the offer, but i don't have a computer at home, so not really gonna be possible.

i'm sure i'll figure it out eventually.

razzi - nice innuendo i didn't even realise how suggestive my sentence sounded lol

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Originally posted by carreux it's an original from liquid pulse, bought from a reputable aussie shop. it doesn't spin quite flat but not drastically. i don't notice the pitch speeding/slowing, it just seems to have a weird timing signature that is really difficult to match or something - it's too fast so i/ll slow the deck down and then adjust the pitch the minutest amount and it's suddenly way too slow. are there any production factors that could make a song just not fit with anything else?

Ah sorry mate, must have had a bad record as I have mixed both sides out loads over the years. There is always one. It came out digitally again recently on Beatport. Tell you what hit me up and I'll send you a copy of it for free to say thanks for buying it and sorry for the problems.

We have restarted the label again, http://soundcloud.com/icanpromo/ check out the forthcoming releases!

Cheers

Alex

I bet he's been waiting for that response since 2006.

Haha quite possibly! Hope that helps.

Lol, that's fucking amazing. Guy gets his answer 8 years later.

TA will never die. It's like that supercomputer from Hitch Hikers guide to the galaxy where they ask it the meaning to life and it tells them to come back in 100 years for the answer.

Some tracks that sample grooves Or are programmed that way will inherently clash. Drummers would typically play the hihat a little ahead of the tempo if they wanted the groove to feel rushed. So you feel like the tempo is quicker than it is. It will never feel locked.

I doubt varying bpm is the issue because most djs are riding the pitch and this wouldn't really offer much challenge for anyone thst has been djing a year +

I would just exchange kicks with the bass eq and then the mids and highs 8/16 bars latter. You aren't going to be able to ease anything in or out so just be intentional and focus on things that people will notice.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Some tracks that sample grooves Or are programmed that way will inherently clash. Drummers would typically play the hihat a little ahead of the tempo if they wanted the groove to feel rushed. So you feel like the tempo is quicker than it is. It will never feel locked.

True, but that's a rhythmic thing; you can still lock the BPM by one element like the kick or hats (or those tomes etc) and it's actauly in time, but the odd hat will make the rhythm sound like it's out. usually you can get away with it by mixing it in to something sparse, where that "rushing hat" has space to repeat as part of the grove. It's when it gets mixed with straight up timing that the groove sounds "out".

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