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Posted by kitphillips on Dec-15-2006 13:53:

Sustain in kontakt

Hey, sorry, this is a really boring question and it may have been asked before, but is there any way to get the sustain always on for every note in kontakt?
I'm using my crappy keyboard and i haven't bought a sustain pedal yet, so I need a way to program it to be always on, sort of like in absynth where you can just hit one of those little buttons on the side and the note will play through even if the key i released.

Also, is there a way to make it so the note just plays through to the end then stops, so it wont eat up too much polyphony (rather than sustaining indefinitely)?

thanks a lot
Kit

Posted by Zombie0729 on Dec-15-2006 15:53:

hi Kit,

you're going to want to familiarize yourself with the loop editor in kontakt. first click on the mapping editor. select the range of keys you are talking about (c3-c6 for exapmle)... or select one individual cell if its a large kit(i just got the joke that your names kit?) and under loop mode select what you need.

Anthony

Posted by kitphillips on Dec-16-2006 07:49:

Will, that work to get the sustain always on for the pianos? Will try it out, thanks!

Posted by kitphillips on Dec-17-2006 13:51:

I've spent another few hours burrowing around in the interface and I think it might have to do with the group edit window, theres a group there which says sustain and another one saying pedal. Trouble is, I've set the trigger on them to "always" but they still won't come on! Anyway if anyone has any ideas I'd be glad to hear them...

Posted by No Left Turn on Dec-17-2006 22:55:

if the samples themselves don't have a high sustain, no module in kontakt will give you the effect you're looking for.

Posted by kitphillips on Dec-18-2006 12:32:

yeah, the intstrument's built to be able to do sustain when you hit the sustain pedal, trouble is, I don't have a sustain pedal! I'm just trying to figure a way of getting sustain without a pedal, there must be some way to send the same midi message from Live right? even if there isnt a button in kontakt somewhere.

Posted by kitphillips on Jan-07-2007 05:33:

I worked it out finally, for any other people who use live and aren't too smart heres what you do: down the bottom of the midi editor when you open a clip is a little group of three buttons its on the lower left hand side. click the one with "e" on it then find the midi cc you want (to find out hat cc you want you may have to read the manual of the plugin for its midi implementation) and arrange the envelope to suit. Easy!

Posted by Zombie0729 on Jan-07-2007 10:50:

huh? you asked about sustain not about envelope automation...

Posted by kitphillips on Jan-07-2007 13:20:

Yeah, sorry I didn't make myself clear, I didn't really know what I was talking about. In piano terms, they usually call the right pedal the sustain pedal, I was trying to work out how to access the virtual sustain pedal in the kontakt pianos without buying a midi sustain pedal. So how to manipulate the envelope for the sustain pedal I guess... If I had put it that way to start I probably would have got my answer ages ago! Thanks for your help though, it actually put me on the right track in a way, rather than trying to get my keyboard to do it i started looking at my laptop instead!

Posted by DigiNut on Jan-07-2007 17:58:

The sustain CC should be the same regardless of plugin, since it's part of the GM2 spec.

There are some plugins which flagrantly disobey that standard (z3ta+ comes to mind) but samplers generally follow the rules.

Posted by kitphillips on Jan-08-2007 05:07:

Ah Ok thanks for the info. I think akoustic piano might be another one which disregards the rule, I'm using that rather than kontakt now, I like the sounds better.