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thickening a lead

I read somewhere that duplicating a mono lead and panning one to the left and the other right makes a lead "thicker". Has anyone done this or is it just BS?

the lead doesnt have to be mono to do that.

Yes. It works very well.. but u have to make the one lead playing milliseconds after the other.. creates a nice stereoeffect.

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Originally posted by cl0ckw3rk I read somewhere that duplicating a mono lead and panning one to the left and the other right makes a lead "thicker". Has anyone done this or is it just BS?

No, that wouldn't work. You'd have to process the left and right channel differently to hear any difference.
Or delay one of them by a few ms like Subtle said.

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Originally posted by Subtle but u have to make the one lead playing milliseconds after the other.. creates a nice stereoeffect.

but gives you really hard time with phase cancelation in clubs!

you're better off with mid/side processing of slight stereo signals.

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Originally posted by thecYrus but gives you really hard time with phase cancelation in clubs!

in english ?

Clubs are mostly mono, so you got the same lead playing twice fighting for the same frequency range. This gives some unwanted sounds.

Re: thickening a lead

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Originally posted by cl0ckw3rk I read somewhere that duplicating a mono lead and panning one to the left and the other right makes a lead "thicker". Has anyone done this or is it just BS?

Just like some people said panning 2 monos to different side wouldn't do much, it will only make the lead louder. Though pushing one in a few ms would give it a good vibe, but not too much, cause it will cause an annoying "flanger" effect to appear.

About the phase cancelation, I've never heard it could happen from this action and I would like to know why.
@ Subtle:
Go ahead and take a kick, Duplicate it and switch the Phase on the duplicated kick and press 'Play'.
By listening to the same wave when one is normal and the other is the opposite you cancel it.
Google the term for farther explaination. =)


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Originally posted by DeZmA Clubs are mostly mono, so you got the same lead playing twice fighting for the same frequency range. This gives some unwanted sounds.

Oh, That I've never thought off.

Phase cancellation isn't that bad if you delay more than 10 ms.

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Originally posted by Eldritch Phase cancellation isn't that bad if you delay more than 10 ms.

Right, but you're well into the flanger range with that kind of delay. Stereo widening is usually on the order of microseconds.

Still, if you're worried about phase cancellation then just play it on mono, no need to fret about it.

Mid/side processing is always an option as Cyrus pointed out but that's usually used to cut from a stereo signal, not fatten it... I've never personally tried using something like a delay on the mid although I suppose it could get some interesting effects.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Mid/side processing...

What's that?

turn up the mids hehe

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Originally posted by thecYrus but gives you really hard time with phase cancelation in clubs!

to avoid bad surprises that come from e.g. phase-cancellation I check my mixes in mono anyway

if you want it thicker, you have to add reverb or some echo on one of the channels...

if you panned it left and right... it would still be mono...
(dual mono)

this is a good tutorial...


electric blues club

check out what he says about the guitar, in electronic that would be your lead...

smiles.

thx for that tutorial organix..it helped me understand the idea better

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