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Do i keep using reason 3.0 or get with the times?

I see threads with vst's this and that. I have cubase sx3 but i dont use it, cause my sound card sucks. Should i just get with the times buy a decent sound card and start using cubase?

Um... not really...

There's nothing wrong with Reason, buy a good soundcard and use BOTH!

quiet hint: "It's called rewire"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by B_man
Um... not really...

There's nothing wrong with Reason, buy a good soundcard and use BOTH!

quiet hint: "It's called rewire" [/QUOTE

Oh yeah

said a gillion times, dont matter what you use.

Dont switch the Cubase just for the sake of it, Reason is quite capable.

On the other hand, if Reason works with your current soundcard I see no reason that Cubase wouldnt, you dont need a good soundcard to use Cubase any more than you need one to use Reason...

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum Dont switch the Cubase just for the sake of it, Reason is quite capable. On the other hand, if Reason works with your current soundcard I see no reason that Cubase wouldnt, you dont need a good soundcard to use Cubase any more than you need one to use Reason...

um... are u remotely clued in or just shooting from a hip?

while it would work, certainly latency could be an issue. Recording with Reason, you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible.

Cubase running several audio tracks could experience SUBSTANTIAL latency if using DirectX and/or crappy sound card. ASIO is definitely a way to go and is offered by "pro" sound cards. Of course you can get an Audigy, which supports ASIO, however, I know nothing about its performance capabilities.

Also, Reason is not a DAW app nor does it offer VSTi capability.

just my $0.02

OH, and the question itself is a bit... silly, imho.

It's like asking "Should I switch from Office 2003 to Windows XP?"

Reason is (for all intents and purposes) a virtual instrument, while Cubase is a multi-track recorder to record said instrument. It is true that reason can be used as a stand-alone app and can be used to create tracks, you are however limited to Reason itself (well +refills).

anywho, if anything - I'd recommend switching to Live. Cubase is tooo cumbersome and tooo confusing for many of aspiring musician's needs. Live is definitely a better choice, unless you intend to get very heavy with MIDI, video editing, surround recording (in which case you should be running Nuendo) anyway. list is long.

read. learn. recognize!

peace out!

so you bought cubase for say �700 and dont use it ?

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Originally posted by emc^2 Cubase is tooo cumbersome and tooo confusing for many of aspiring musician's needs.

+1

Hey mate... you better keep practicing in reason in meantime you are getting abilities in music production software.

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Originally posted by sterilis so you bought cubase for say �700 and dont use it ?

lol

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Originally posted by emc^2 Cubase is tooo cumbersome and tooo confusing for many of aspiring musician's needs.

..."in your oppinion"
Personally I found live to be the most annoyingly fidgety piece of shit I had ever laid my eyes on, not to mention it is basically the most resource inefficient daw in existence.

isn't logic suspoused to have a steeper learning curve than cubase..?

cubase is alot more clean to me and i figured it out without the manual or f1.. but ableton that seems really hard to do =*(

First i need a good sound card for cubase, cause i dont feel like waiting 2 seconds to hear a sound.

I cant really record vocals in reason.

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Originally posted by emc^2 um... are u remotely clued in or just shooting from a hip? while it would work, certainly latency could be an issue. Recording with Reason, you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible. Cubase running several audio tracks could experience SUBSTANTIAL latency if using DirectX and/or crappy sound card. ASIO is definitely a way to go and is offered by "pro" sound cards. Of course you can get an Audigy, which supports ASIO, however, I know nothing about its performance capabilities.

You can use ASIO with any soundcard with Asio4All drivers. Not to mention that latency is gonna be just as bad in Reason as in Cubase, you're statement that "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" is just complete rubbish, quite clearly you're just 'shooting from the hip' as you dont seem to have the slightest grasp of what latency actually means or how it works.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum You can use ASIO with any soundcard with Asio4All drivers. Not to mention that latency is gonna be just as bad in Reason as in Cubase, you're statement that "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" is just complete rubbish, quite clearly you're just 'shooting from the hip' as you dont seem to have the slightest grasp of what latency actually means or how it works.

Ha!!!!!!! I'd get into an argument with you but I have some more important things to do... So, I'll just laugh in your general direction and take a high road.

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Originally posted by emc^2 Ha!!!!!!! I'd get into an argument with you but I have some more important things to do... So, I'll just laugh in your general direction and take a high road.

Please, If Im wrong about how latency works, explain to me where Im wrong and I will gladly accept I was mistaken. Also explain to me what "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" can possibly mean when there is still going to be latency on the output from Reason. If you can actually justify this statement as anything other than meaningless crap I will gladly admit your superiority, but your post sounds like "I really dont have a fucking clue what Im talking about but Im going to pretend Ive won this argument anyway and hope nobody notices I actually havnt".

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Originally posted by sterilis so you bought cubase for say �700 and dont use it ?

LOL...
You can't pirate soundcards easily... you gotta fork it over.

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum Please, If Im wrong about how latency works, explain to me where Im wrong and I will gladly accept I was mistaken. Also explain to me what "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" can possibly mean when there is still going to be latency on the output from Reason. If you can actually justify this statement as anything other than meaningless crap I will gladly admit your superiority, but your post sounds like "I really dont have a fucking clue what Im talking about but Im going to pretend Ive won this argument anyway and hope nobody notices I actually havnt".

Ok, here we go:

Page 280, REASON 3 manual:

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When Reason�s sequencer is playing back a song, the timing between notes is perfect! Once playback of a Reason pattern or song is up and running, latency isn�t a consideration at all. The computer clocks the audio between the steps and does this with perfect quartz accuracy! The timing is immaculate!

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum You can use ASIO with any soundcard with Asio4All drivers.

True, however at the cost of stability and performance. Please don't try to convince me that "one size fits all" driver can give you a performance on par with RME/MOTU/"PRO SOUND CARD OF YOUR CHOICE"-specific driver. In TRUE LIFE test scenarious ASIO4ALL sucked ass, IMHO. However, you may insist otherwise. Perhaps because you either never worked with a pro hardware driver or again just being a clueless n00blar.

Moving on.

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Not to mention that latency is gonna be just as bad in Reason as in Cubase,

If that were the case, I'd say Reason is a rather shitty product. Howver, I'm not saying that - which can only mean one thing. Again, you're full of shit. Latency in Reason does exist... IF YOU'RE RENNDERING TO AUDIO while playing back real time. In which case it's your DAW, OS, and other elements that also contribute to latency. There's no comparison between multi-track Cubase project latency with VSTi's and REASON latency you're trying so hard to get me to believe in.

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you're statement that "you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible" is just complete rubbish,

Really? Please enlighten me as to how the actual Reason works? Let me guess your midi controller is sending audio signals over midi cables and Reason is recording it. right????

Page 44 Reason Quick Start guide:

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Reason generates and plays back digital audio - a stream of numerical values in the form of ones and zeroes. For you to be able to hear anything, this must be converted to analog audio and sent to some kind of listening equipment (a set of speakers, headphones, etc.). This conversion is most often handled by the audio card installed in your computer (on the Macintosh you can use the built-in audio hardware if you don�t have additional audio hardware installed). To deliver the digital audio to the audio hardware, Reason uses the driver you have selected in the Preferences dialog (see page 13). In the rack on screen, this connection is represented by the Reason Hardware Interface. If you are using ReWire, Reason will instead feed the digital audio to the ReWire master application (typically an audio sequencer program), which in turn handles the communication with the audio hardware

Which then lands itself to reason that latency within Reason could be attributed to:

a) Rewire
b) DAW
c) Shitty *cough* ASIO4ALL *cough* driver
d) Obsolete and slow computer. Yeah, I'm talking about your 386 16Mhz Tandy PC that your mom got you for $5 at Goodwill store


Any other questions? Class dismissed, son.

cubase will not have more latency than reason if you use the same asio driver on both with the same settings...

you must have your buffer sized turned up way too high in cubase. turn it down.. not too much though or you get pops.

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"you're only sending midi control messages, hence, no true latency would be very visible"

you're only sending midi messages to vsti's in cubase also... so what?? RUBBISH!!!

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Originally posted by mysticalninja cubase will not have more latency than reason if you use the same asio driver on both with the same settings...

not true...exactly :P

you can max your cpu more easily in cubase, hence people will put their buffer up to stop the pops. in reason, they'll never have such an issue.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja cubase will not have more latency than reason if you use the same asio driver on both with the same settings... you must have your buffer sized turned up way too high in cubase. turn it down.. not too much though or you get pops. you're only sending midi messages to vsti's in cubase also... so what?? RUBBISH!!!

THANK YOU!

Nice to see someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about!

ive been some what satisfied with reason, maybe cuz its the first program i learnt. but i feel eqing and ,mastering to quite tricky with out something visual to go off of. and i always here"if your seroius about making music you need logig7" but shit that and a good enough mac and monitors are like alomst 10G us. i love music and all , more than anything but i dont want to be some dude with nothing to show for but a nice studio set up.

anyway stick with reason , ive ben happy with it. people keep putting it down but i think yoy can still do up to date tracks in that program.

good luck

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Originally posted by echosystm not true...exactly :P you can max your cpu more easily in cubase, hence people will put their buffer up to stop the pops. in reason, they'll never have such an issue.

why not? is maxing out reason is impossibl?

you can blow anyone out of the water using reason if used properly. and when in need... rewire. and for mastering, do not use reason (mastering suite is shit).

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