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Help Stop Deep Integration (SPP, NAU) in Canada

I have recieved this letter from MP Peter Julian, who is trying to gather signatures to help stop the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. This is basically deep integration with the United States and Mexico, on which we as citizens have had no say up until now.

Please read the documents below, and help collect signatures. As a fellow Canadian, I thank you.

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Dear friends, This is my latest update as NDP Trade Critic as part of our ongoing efforts in the House of Commons to expose and halt the SPP agenda. Please find attached a Motion I have submitted to the Standing Committee on International Trade (CIIT). It is the first in a series of Motions which I will be submitting on behalf of the NDP to the CIIT. We hope that your response and support will help us increase pressure on the Harper government to suspend SPP implementation; and organize a full legislative review and meaningful consultations with civil society, culminating with a full debate and a vote in Parliament. You can help. Please send a message to Members of the Standing Committee on International Trade (CIIT) asking them to support the NDP Motion (enclosed), with a cc to the Clerk of the Committee, Normand Radford and to my office. I have included the list of names of the Members of CIIT as well as their contact information. Attached you will also find a petition for distribution over the summer time. Pls note: when you are ready to print the petition, under Print, pls go to page handling, where you will need to check off (if not already checked off) "choose paper source by PDF paper size". Once the signatures have been collected, please return (postage free) original petitions to my office: Peter Julian MP for Burnaby-New Westminster Room 178, Confederation Building House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Together we can expose the SPP agenda and its implications for Canada. Thank you for your support!

I have hosted the petitions on my site below. For more information please contact Peter Julian, or click the image in my signature.

English:
Actual Motion
Actual Petition

French:
P�tition
Motion

Why don't you apply to join the EU!

Why does the NDP always throw up knee-jerked road blocks?
They certainly know how to tug at people's patriotism when it comes to 'protecting Canada' from the evils of the world.

North America is going to enhance its own trading block to be able to compete better in larger global markets when it comes to facing the EU / India and Chinas of the world.
Increasing trade (especially our immediate neighbors) is not a bad thing.

What exactly do they hope to accomplish other than creating oversite committees against committees already in place, confusing the public and more importantly, seizing the opportunity for themselves to look like the people's knight in shining armour?

How exactly is this a, "Profound consequences on Canada�s existence as a sovereign nation" when we ALREADY have trade agreements such as NAFTA in place??

This is nothing more than the NDP drumming up the public's fear....again...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Why does the NDP always throw up knee-jerked road blocks? They certainly know how to tug at people's patriotism when it comes to 'protecting Canada' from the evils of the world. North America is going to enhance its own trading block to be able to compete better in larger global markets when it comes to facing the EU / India and Chinas of the world. Increasing trade (especially our immediate neighbors) is not a bad thing. What exactly do they hope to accomplish other than creating oversite committees against committees already in place, confusing the public and more importantly, seizing the opportunity for themselves to look like the people's knight in shining armour? How exactly is this a, "Profound consequences on Canada�s existence as a sovereign nation" when we ALREADY have trade agreements such as NAFTA in place?? This is nothing more than the NDP drumming up the public's fear....again...

So how exactly is thia all going to benefit an AVERAGE Canadian citizen? Is it because more jobs will move to Mexico? Or is it because we will have less control over our own resources/lives? Is it because giant corporations can make bigger profits?

EDIT: Canada has all the resources that it will ever need. It should be US, Mexico that be our economic subsidiaries. Only because we have such a small population are we manipulated into being THEIR subordinates. Its primarily the US oligarchs that are going to win in this new deal. They are going to have an easier control over our resources, over our government, over what decisions we can make for ourselves and the world. We will no longer be Canada as we know. We will do as we are told by the bosses in Washington D.C.

Canada has 31+ million people. How much say are we going to have in this new bloody Union? How many more times are we going to be sidestepped and blackmailed like the famous lumber dispute? Seriously, the American proxies have already seized control over our Canada.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium So how exactly is thia all going to benefit an AVERAGE Canadian citizen? Is it because more jobs will move to Mexico? Or is it because we will have less control over our own resources/lives? Is it because giant corporations can make bigger profits?

/hippy bullshit


the real reason i think its a bad idea is we have already witnessed first hand how the US honors trade agreements.... ahem..*softwoodlumber*

or artificially lowering bulk commodity pricing on grains by subsidising their agricultural sectors.... which hurt the western grain farmers alot... or the BS mad cow trade ban which lasted way longer than it needed too. for those reasons i dont want to get into any more trade agreements with the US

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp /hippy bullshit the real reason i think its a bad idea is we have already witnessed first hand how the US honors trade agreements.... ahem..*softwoodlumber* or artificially lowering bulk commodity pricing on grains by subsidising their agricultural sectors.... which hurt the western grain farmers alot... or the BS mad cow trade ban which lasted way longer than it needed too. for those reasons i dont want to get into any more trade agreements with the US

Hippy bullshit? Thats all you can say, because you cant just bring up the facts to prove otherwise. NAFTA was a failure since Day 1. It has not benefited Canada, but benefited US by a landslide and yes they do break their own laws and noone can stop them. And yes, f*ck the Union and the other plans they have, I dont trust US government and their corporations. Scrap NAFTA.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium So how exactly is thia all going to benefit an AVERAGE Canadian citizen? Is it because more jobs will move to Mexico? Or is it because we will have less control over our own resources/lives? Is it because giant corporations can make bigger profits?

Maybe you can explain how, by NOT reducing unneeded corporate red tape that it doesn't?
You're assuming the corporate entities will be keeping this all to themselves.
In reality, a propering company creates jobs as well as increasing thier bottom line; everyone wins.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Maybe you can explain how, by NOT reducing unneeded corporate red tape that it doesn't? You're assuming the corporate entities will be keeping this all to themselves. In reality, a propering company creates jobs as well as increasing thier bottom line; everyone wins.

We already have our companies. We can make more jobs for ourselves. We already do trade with USA. Good enough. American companies are stealing too much of our money as it is by infiltrating our economy and making profits here in Canada and taking them to the States. With borders loose, its only going to get looser.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium We already have our companies. We can make more jobs for ourselves. We already do trade with USA. Good enough. American companies are stealing too much of our money as it is by infiltrating our economy and making profits here in Canada and taking them to the States. With borders loose, its only going to get looser.

That's an assumption you can't prove and that works both ways btw; think RIM.
Sure the market becomes more competitive but that's the whole point.
Canada is way too cumbersome when trying to conduct business which is why we have such a problem when trying to compete with anything outside our own borders.
America however is geared toward business so they inherantly already have an advantage; this 'knocking down of the coroporate walls' will only help us in the long run.
It's a falicty to believe that by keeping these walls up that we'll be helping ourselves when we're already at a disadvantage anyways.
If businesses can't compete in Canada they will go somewhere where they can. This is ALREADY HAPPENING so how ludicrious is it to keep status quo??

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r That's an assumption you can't prove and that works both ways btw; think RIM. Sure the market becomes more competitive but that's the whole point. Canada is way too cumbersome when trying to conduct business which is why we have such a problem when trying to compete with anything outside our own borders. America however is geared toward business so they inherantly already have an advantage; this 'knocking down of the coroporate walls' will only help us in the long run. It's a falicty to believe that by keeping these walls up that we'll be helping ourselves when we're already at a disadvantage anyways. If businesses can't compete in Canada they will go somewhere where they can. This is ALREADY HAPPENING so how ludicrious is it to keep status quo??

LOL, can't compete??? Yeah, by moving to Mexico ... thats not being able to compete, thats maximizing their profits by moving their business. If they can't compete, they go out of business. If they can, they find better business practises. If they move abroad, they mant to make bigger profits. Just ask any Canadian doctor who moved to the States to work there his reasons for doing so ... Companies will always strive to make the biggest profit under the least costs and knocking down these walls will make Canada even more vulnerable. Mexico is the big winner here. You dont just think Canadians will want to get paid less to keep their jobs, do you?

Canada doesnt have a problem with business moving abroad - in most cases it doesnt actually GO AWAY, like Tim Hortons tried, it just opens venues elsewhere for bigger profits. Not to make Canadian economy better, not at all. In cases like this, its US and Mexico who are going to be big winners.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium LOL, can't compete??? Yeah, by moving to Mexico ... thats not being able to compete, thats maximizing their profits by moving their business. If they can't compete, they go out of business. If they can, they find better business practises. If they move abroad, they mant to make bigger profits. Just ask any Canadian doctor who moved to the States to work there his reasons for doing so ... Companies will always strive to make the biggest profit under the least costs and knocking down these walls will make Canada even more vulnerable. Mexico is the big winner here. You dont just think Canadians will want to get paid less to keep their jobs, do you?

People cried about this when NAFTA came too.
Don't know about you, but I'm still employed and RIM has since expanded into the States...

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Canada doesnt have a problem with business moving abroad - in most cases it doesnt actually GO AWAY, like Tim Hortons tried, it just opens venues elsewhere for bigger profits. Not to make Canadian economy better, not at all. In cases like this, its US and Mexico who are going to be big winners.

Unless you got some stats to back that up, this is still opinion.

btw, there is nothing wrong with corporations making an actual profit...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r People cried about this when NAFTA came too. Don't know about you, but I'm still employed and RIM has since expanded into the States... Unless you got some stats to back that up, this is still opinion. btw, there is nothing wrong with corporations making an actual profit...

Actual Canadian people and Canada have nothing to gain from this Union thing, thats my point. Nothing wrong with corporations wanting to have easier access and more profits, but thats not a reason to sacrifice Canada and control over our own resources and policies. Benefits are little of any.

Mexico and the United States need more from Canada then Canada needs from Mexico and the United States at the moment.

Canada is on the loosing end of the stick with this deal. I for one would never open up Canada's resources to other nations that will eventually swallow it dry.

Mexico and the United States can keep those fuking Amero dollars to themselves.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Don't know about you, but I'm still employed and RIM has since expanded into the States... btw, there is nothing wrong with corporations making an actual profit...

The world doesn't revolve around you. Just cause you're employed and have job security doesn't mean it's like that for everyone else in this country. And while there isn't a problem with corporations making money, there is a problem when a corporations sole objective is maximizing profits, because then the people at the bottom lose out. Quality tends to drop as well. All in the name of $$$.

It's amazing how you're so up for this when it's obvious that the States just wants this for easier access to our natural resources (among other things), which we'll get screwed on in the end. I fail to see how Canadians, either corporations or citizens, stand to gain anything out of this. If anything, this'll just make it easier for American corporations to take over markets that they previously didn't have access to. Do you HONESTLY think Bell or Rogers can realistically compete with say...Verizon or Comcast? How will this help the Canadian economy exactly, when our largest telecomm companies start dropping out or get bought out by the significantly larger American companies? Or by moving their call centres to Mexico and in turn terminating thousands of jobs?

And you keep mentioning RIM. Who the hell is RIM? You think they can honestly compete against the likes of Nokia, Motorola or Apple in the Smartphone market?

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH And you keep mentioning RIM. Who the hell is RIM? You think they can honestly compete against the likes of Nokia, Motorola or Apple in the Smartphone market?

ha ha ha ha ignorance is such bliss...

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Originally posted by LazFX ha ha ha ha ignorance is such bliss...

what do you mean? who are you referring to exactly?

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH what do you mean?

RIM is one of the most duplicated wireless biz out there.... Blackberry mean anything to you. I don't know one biz man or woman in N. America that does not use a black berry. all of the fed employees in the US use black berry ie; RIM.

RIM is one of Canada's Top employers, their tech was ground breaking in the late 80's and to this day is often imitated but never duplicated.
Those other companies you listed can only dream of getting the market that RIM holds. I cursed the day I was given a Black Berry cause it was just to easy to reach me on my days off...
I have been putting off signing for my new RIM device for my current position....

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Research In Motion Limited / RIM www.rim.com - Jobs - Map 176 Columbia St, Waterloo, ON N2L 3L3 Highlights: * gives you a free BlackBerry on your first day * offers tuition subsidies and is only a short walk to the University of Waterloo and Wilfrid Laurier University * celebrated its 20th anniversary with a private concert featuring Aerosmith and the Barenaked Ladies * doubled its BlackBerry subscriber base last year and created over 2,000 new jobs around the world Employer Background Research In Motion Limited (RIM) is a leading designer, manufacturer and marketer of innovative wireless communications products and services. Best recognized for its ubiquitous BlackBerry line of handheld devices, the company's integrated hardware, software and services support multiple network standards around the world, providing individual users with seamless access to email, phone, text messaging, Internet and intranet-based applications. RIM's wireless technology platforms also enable third-party developers and manufacturers to connect their devices to the company's network. Founded in 1984, the publicly-traded company serves over five million BlackBerry subscribers, which is more than double the previous year. The company recently introduced several new BlackBerry handset models worldwide and has over 160 carrier partnerships in 60 countries (after adding over 100 new carriers last year). RIM recently announced the expansion of its network into China and continues to develop new products and services independently and through partnership agreements with Novell, Microsoft, IBM, AOL, Yahoo, Google and Intel Corporation. As a result of is impressive international success, RIM added over 2,000 new employees last year at locations in North America, Europe and Asia. In addition to the Waterloo head office, the company has Canadian offices in Mississauga, Ottawa and Halifax. Workforce at a Glance:Number of full-time employees: 3698. At this location: 3374. Worldwide: 5000. New jobs created across Canada last year: 870. Voluntary employee turnover across Canada last year: 8.4%. Percentage of Canadian workforce employed on contract basis: 9%. Longest period any worker in Canada has stayed on contract: 1.5 years. Percentage of employees who are women: 34. Of managers: 27. Percentage of employees who are visible minorities: 19. Of managers: 8. Resumes received by their HR staff in past year: 204032. Average employee age: 29. Years longest-serving employee has worked there: 21. Physical Workplace Rating: A RIM's physical workplace is rated as above-average. The headquarters includes 12 buildings that are home to the company's research, manufacturing and admininistrative offices. Located in the heart of Canada's technology triangle, the head office campus is only a short walk to the University of Waterloo and Wilfrid Laurier University. Physical Workplace at a Glance:Their employee lounge and rest areas feature: comfortable couches; meditation or religious observance room; first-aid rooms in every building. For food and refreshment, RIM offers: free coffee and tea; subsidized vending machines; self-serve kitchen areas; outdoor eating area; discounts at local restaurants. The company has a full-service onsite cafeteria that features: subsidized meals (a turkey sandwich costs $3.50); healthy menu items; special diet menus. Nearby amenities include: major shopping mall; Tim Hortons; daycare; fitness facility (with subsidized memberships); walking trail; park/wilderness area (Waterloo Park and Columbia Lake); recreation centre (Waterloo Recreation Complex). For commuters, RIM offers: nearby public transit; free onsite car parking; organized car pools; escort walking service to cars in the evening; secure bicycle parking; shower facilities. Work Atmosphere & Social Rating: A+ RIM's work atmosphere is rated as exceptional. Employees at RIM enjoy business casual dress daily. There is also a company-subsidized social committee, which has operated since 1996. The company sponsors a variety of social events for employees every year, including an evening dinner and dance during the Christmas season for employees and their guests, a summer family barbeque at a local waterpark (with free company merchandise and prizes), and free ice cream days twice a year. RIM also sponsors employee softball, tennis, badminton, volleyball and hockey teams that compete in local leagues the company is one of the founding members of the city's popular hockey league for high-tech firms. To celebrate its 20th anniversary, the company recently hosted a "surprise" rock concert for all of its employees. RIM rented a 6,000-seat arena where employees and business partners from across North America gathered to enjoy live performances by Aerosmith and the Barenaked Ladies. Health, Financial & Family Benefits Rating: A RIM's health benefits plan is managed by Sun Life and is rated as above-average. RIM pays 100% of the premiums associated with the plan. The company also pays 100% of the health premiums necessary to cover each employee's family. Full-time and part-time employees who work more than 25 hours per week are covered by the plan. There is no waiting period before new employees are eligible for coverage. RIM also pays the health insurance premiums for retired employees until the age of 70. Health Benefits at a Glance:RIM's health plan includes the following coverage: routine dental (90% of eligible costs, to $1500 each year); restorative dental (90% of eligible costs, to $1500 each year); orthodontics (50% of eligible costs with a lifetime maximum of $2000); eyecare (to $200 every 2 years); prescription drug; offsite fitness club subsidy (to $200 each year); nutrition planning; home care; speech therapy; naturopathy; podiatry; osteopathy; chiropractor; physiotherapy; massage therapy; subsidized onsite massage therapy; travel medical insurance; semi-private hospital room; personal and family counselling; medical equipment and supplies; employee assistance plan (EAP) for substance abuse/mental health. The company's salary and financial benefits are rated as above-average. To keep pay-levels competitive, RIM participates in outside salary surveys every 12 months. Individual salaries are reviewed every 12 months. The company offers a group RSP that allows employees to contribute up to 3% of their salary, with matching employer contributions. Financial Benefits at a Glance:RIM provides a variety of financial benefits, including: life and disability insurance; profit-sharing plan for all employees; discounted home computers; free BlackBerry with service and usage fees included; free RIM clothing; signing bonuses for some employees; year-end bonuses. RIM's family-friendly benefits are rated as above-average. Employees with pre-school children have access to a daycare facility located nearby. For mothers who take maternity leave, RIM provides a sliding top-up payment (from 100% to 70% of salary) for the first 6 weeks week of their leave. Other family-friendly benefits include: flexible start and finish hours; telecommuting and working from home; earned days off program (depending on the position). Vacation & Time Off Rating: A RIM's vacation and time off are rated as above-average. New employees receive 3 weeks of vacation allowance after their first year, which increases to 4 weeks after 5 years of service. Each year, RIM also provides employees with a paid holiday shutdown from Christmas to New Year's. Employees at the company can also apply for unpaid leaves of absence. (Recently, one employee took an extended leave of absence to complete a Masters degree) Employee Communications Rating: A RIM's internal communications program is rated as above-average. To keep employees informed about new developments, RIM publishes an in-house newsletter. The company also has a well-developed intranet site, which keeps employees informed about news and human resource policies that affect their work. To solicit feedback from employees, the company operates a traditional suggestion box program and an email suggestion box. An employee satisfaction survey is conducted by having employees complete questionnaires every 12 months. An outside consultant compiles the survey results for RIM's management team. Performance Management Rating: A+ RIM's performance management program is rated as exceptional. The company operates a well-designed performance management program. Once a year, employees and managers meet for review sessions. (Managers receive training in how to conduct effective reviews.) Employees can also use an online career planning tool to set training objectives for the coming year, and employees and managers utilize online communications to monitor progress throughout the year. RIM recognizes exceptional performance with a variable incentive program that incorporates individual and company performance. The company also has a unique patent incentive program that helps cultivate new ideas. Training & Skills Development Rating: A RIM's training and skills development program is rated as above-average. The company provides tuition subsidies for courses related to an employee's current position (to an annual maximum of $3300). The company assists employees' career development with: reimbursement for professional association dues; in-house training (primarily technical and management programs); online training. RIM also provides additional "training dollars" for each employee, which can be used for industry conferences and specific training programs. Community Involvement Rating: A+ RIM's community involvement program is rated as exceptional. An outstanding corporate citizen, RIM actively supports a variety of local charitable initiatives. Employees take part in the selection of charitable groups assisted by the company. Last year, the company contributed a total of $1,000,000 to charitable groups. As part of RIM's charitable program, a group of employees meet regularly to review new proposals. The company primarily focuses on providing support for science, engineering and business education initiatives. Every year, RIM supports students of all ages through a variety of programs, such as the Waterloo-Wellington Science and Engineering Fair, the Scientists in School program, and the FIRST Robotics initiative. The company also provides financial support and opportunities for university graduate students as well as teams of students who participate in engineering and business competitions. In addition to its corporate support, the company's co-CEOs, Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie, are widely recognized for their personal generosity within the community. Incredibly, the duo has given over $160 million in support of basic research initiatives, including: the University of Waterloo's Institute of Quantum Computing; the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics; and the Centre for International Governance Innovation. Their generosity has percolated down and helped to inspire a culture of giving amongst RIM's employees, who volunteer and support a variety of charitable initiatives every year, including blood donor clinics, the Kitchener-Waterloo food bank, the Angel Tree Foundation, the Waterloo Region Commuter Challenge and the annual United Way campaign.

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Don't get me wrong, RIM is a groundbreaking and definitely one of Canada's finest. I wish only the best for them. But they're a little puppy compared to those other companies. They barely hold 3% of the "smartphone" marketshare.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Don't get me wrong, RIM is a groundbreaking and definitely one of Canada's finest. I wish only the best for them. But they're a little puppy compared to those other companies. They barely hold 3% of the "smartphone" marketshare.

Wait, you complain about Canadian companies in one hand and then wish them the best?

We should be applauding ALL our companies because they supply JOBS.

Everyone is so afraid that all the companies are going to hi-tail it down to Mexico.
On what grounds??
This argument of profits and cheap labour, while somewhat true, isn't the only mantra companies have. It IS possible to make a profit FROM Canada as other companies have proven.
You all sound like Chicken Little and frankly I'm surprised at the lack of faith in our Canadian companies.
A major employer isn't just going to cut and run just because Mexico is a little more open.
Hell, the door swings both ways here people; it's just as easy for a company to come over and set up shop here; employing Canadian labour.
What so wrong with that again?

Yeah...

We're definitely still too young and dumb to even hope to go about something requiring this much maturity.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r This argument of profits and cheap labour, while somewhat true, isn't the only mantra companies have. It IS possible to make a profit FROM Canada as other companies have proven.

Yes, it is. But you have to look at it from their point-of-view. And not just today, or tomorrow, but 5-10 years down the road, when they could have no barriers holding them back. If they need to cut costs to compete: how long before they start moving offices down to cheaper area's to stay alive, because their American rivals are 10 times bigger? At that point, it won't be about being "Canadian", it'll be about making money and fighting for survival. And our companies up here just aren't ready for that. TBH, even Mexico would be screwed, but not as much as us.

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You all sound like Chicken Little and frankly I'm surprised at the lack of faith in our Canadian companies.

This'll sound cliche but there's a difference between faith and being realistic. And, as Leaf fans, we should know that sometimes, faith just isn't enough sometimes (but it does make money in this case!!)

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Hell, the door swings both ways here people; it's just as easy for a company to come over and set up shop here; employing Canadian labour. What so wrong with that again?

Costs more money.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Yes, it is. But you have to look at it from their point-of-view. And not just today, or tomorrow, but 5-10 years down the road, when they could have no barriers holding them back. If they need to cut costs to compete: how long before they start moving offices down to cheaper area's to stay alive, because their American rivals are 10 times bigger? At that point, it won't be about being "Canadian", it'll be about making money and fighting for survival. And our companies up here just aren't ready for that. TBH, even Mexico would be screwed, but not as much as us.

The jury is out on this line of thinking though.
Remember, everyone thought we were screwed when NAFTA came into effect too and look where we are?
We're doing just fine.
This isn't a new trade agreement, this is to enhance what's already going on.

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This'll sound cliche but there's a difference between faith and being realistic. And, as Leaf fans, we should know that sometimes, faith just isn't enough sometimes (but it does make money in this case!!)

Funny thing is, Leaf fans can always blame the fact that we didn't trade Sundin if things go to shite this season...

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Costs more money.

Most companies will expand into new regions, not pick up and leave completely.
Hey, that creates more jobs!

Let's have a little history lesson in Canadian economics.

Before WW2, Canada's trade was done in a 3 way triangle between Britain, US and Canada. Canada tried to have as much trade as possible with Britain because of political ties with Britain and ended up doing trade with US just because US is close and willing to buy Canadian products.

After WW2 and subsequent ruination of British economy, Canada had to look for another trade partner. Well, unfortunately there was no real nation that Canada could trade with... except US.

Canada kept trying to trade with Europe and Britain, but they were slowly rebuilding. By the 60s came along, there was this European Economic Community thing which pretty much barred Canadian products from entering European market. So, Canada had to trade more with US, since there was no other nation that can take in Canadian products as much as US could.

This trend continued until modern days. Sure, there are other emerging nations, but they are more interested in selling Canada their products rather than buying Canadian stuff, other than natural resources.
NAFTA made it simpler and more economically viable to sell to US because US wants to buy Canadian products and it is cheaper to transport to US than any other nation.

Currently Canada does what, 85% of its trade with US.

Trying to change the dynamics of Canadian economy simply won't work, because 1. to whom will Canada trade with who can take in as much Canadian products? 2. are you willing to muck with economic prosperity that Canada is enjoying right now?

You can scream and yell about Canadian sovereignty and whatnot, but the thing is, economic sovereignty has been lost since WW2 when US became the dominant trading partner. Whether you like it or not, Canada is in a symbiotic economic existence with US.

So, I don't see any other future except continued economic relationship with US. US has the money and Canada has the resources that needs to be explored.

I dunno about you guys, but this seems like a fait accompli to me

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Don't get me wrong, RIM is a groundbreaking and definitely one of Canada's finest. I wish only the best for them. But they're a little puppy compared to those other companies. They barely hold 3% of the "smartphone" marketshare.

Just and FYI for you Pete.... RIM doesn't actually base it's business on the sale of hardware. Where RIM really makes it's money is through the tranfering/processing of data. Regardless of which smartphone you're using, RIM gets paid for each and every packet of data you send or receive.

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Originally posted by LazFX RIM is one of the most duplicated wireless biz out there.... Blackberry mean anything to you. I don't know one biz man or woman in N. America that does not use a black berry. all of the fed employees in the US use black berry ie; RIM. RIM is one of Canada's Top employers, their tech was ground breaking in the late 80's and to this day is often imitated but never duplicated. Those other companies you listed can only dream of getting the market that RIM holds. I cursed the day I was given a Black Berry cause it was just to easy to reach me on my days off... I have been putting off signing for my new RIM device for my current position.... >>SOURCE<<

Oooooooooooooh baby I wanna RIM!

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