Mark Henning - Jilted Love EP [Clink]

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Posted by Clovis on Jul-09-2009 22:22:

Mark Henning - Jilted Love EP [Clink]

Fuck I'm glad some people aren't jumping on the deep house bandwagon...

Mark Henning doing what he does best...

@beatport

Posted by Adam420 on Jul-09-2009 22:32:

Damn yer lazy

Posted by bas on Jul-09-2009 23:11:

Jilted Love has some umph.

Posted by noonboy on Jul-12-2009 08:58:

Well, all the deep house guys jumped on the profitable minimal-wagon long ago, so the way I see it he simply took a shortcut. Too bad. This sounds to me as a load of harsh, cheap for-profit digital noise.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-12-2009 21:07:

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Originally posted by noonboy
Well, all the deep house guys jumped on the profitable minimal-wagon long ago, so the way I see it he simply took a shortcut. Too bad. This sounds to me as a load of harsh, cheap for-profit digital noise.

That doesn't make sense.

Posted by enydo on Jul-12-2009 21:15:

I love Punch Bowl and Jilted Love is pretty fly too.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Posted by bas on Jul-12-2009 23:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
That doesn't make sense.

The individual sentences make sense, but not when he puts them all together.

Posted by noonboy on Jul-12-2009 23:10:

Haha. Nice turn on the discussion. I simply did not like it. Not my style, and I don't like the fact that what used to be the "deep house bandwagon" is now the "minimal bandwagon".....in my opinion, that is. If that doesn't make sense to you, then I am sorry.

Now that you mention it, though, I could use an English class or two
Enjoy your music, guys!

Posted by enydo on Jul-12-2009 23:28:

You've got it all backwards!

Posted by woscar on Jul-14-2009 03:00:

quote:
Originally posted by enydo
You've got it all backwards!

Posted by Kismet7 on Jul-14-2009 03:25:

quote:
Originally posted by noonboy
Haha. Nice turn on the discussion. I simply did not like it. Not my style, and I don't like the fact that what used to be the "deep house bandwagon" is now the "minimal bandwagon".....in my opinion, that is. If that doesn't make sense to you, then I am sorry.

Now that you mention it, though, I could use an English class or two
Enjoy your music, guys!

Deep House really does not have much of a bandwagon yet, we don't have a buncha marketers and media hyping every single big Deep House release yet, like they did for Minimal, lets wait for that before the bandwagon starts going. Deep House is just existing like it always has, but because some DJs and listeners have gotten bored of Minimal, they've comfortably transitioned to a Deep House sound. But I dont think there is enough noise being made about Deep House for a bandwagon, ie a large % of producers, djs, listeners jumping on to ride Deep House. I think we will continue to see more democratization of the genres, and more eclecticism from DJs and Producers, as education and experience rises about electronic music by all involved, many genres cyclicly get popular and then compress back to place, and fall and rise again, faster than ever. It is great for everyone the way things are going in Electronic Dance Music at the moment and perhaps for the forseeable future.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-14-2009 06:38:

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Originally posted by Kismet7
Deep House is just existing like it always has, but because some DJs and listeners have gotten bored of Minimal, they've comfortably transitioned to a Deep House sound.

Uh everyone and their mother is making "deep house" now, or attempting to, there is a HUGE bandwagon. The number of european producers making house or throwing bongos and rather organic sounding percs into their tracks has skyrocketed.

Pretty easy to see if you shop at beatport regularly.

Anyways I don't mind it, no matter what the genre good music is good music, but I like it when people stick to what they do best instead of just making something to fit in because its popular, and these Henning tracks are a prime example of a guy working his forte with a great result.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-14-2009 06:39:

Posted by Kismet7 on Jul-14-2009 07:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Uh everyone and their mother is making "deep house" now, or attempting to, there is a HUGE bandwagon. The number of european producers making house or throwing bongos and rather organic sounding percs into their tracks has skyrocketed.

Pretty easy to see if you shop at beatport regularly.

Anyways I don't mind it, no matter what the genre good music is good music, but I like it when people stick to what they do best instead of just making something to fit in because its popular, and these Henning tracks are a prime example of a guy working his forte with a great result.

Well I agree that there are more producers doing Deep House, more DJs spinning, and of course more labels signing Deep House than a year ago. But I would not call it a bandwagon yet. It is still too small of a movement. I think what has happened is a decent and natural displacement away from the modern Minimal movement, and some spillover to Deep House, and that initial spillover does create a bandwagon effect or image, but over time I dont think its going to build into a bandwagon genre that Minimal turned into rather quickly and in a rather huge way. Ethnic percussion like Bongo, I would'nt say is distinctive of Deep House, I do implement some, not because i'm trying to make my music more Deep House through them, but because I grew up learning an ethnic percussion, the Tabla, and ethnic percussion is just natural thing for me to add into music. I think other producers are using them more because they simply want percussion sounds that have a bit more life and soul to them, or a live feel. Instead of using the mechanical stuff minimal producers were using. So I don't know if Bongo usage or Ethnic percussions in general are a Deep House phenomenon, rather a move towards organic sounds in general.

Besides the democratization and growing electicism of DJs which I mentioned earlier, another reason why I dont think we will see a big Deep House bandwagon is because a lot of producers will have to learn how to write actual songs, melodies, chords, arrangement, and elements that have more musicality that what Minimal asks of producers, something that might seperate the boys from the men.

Minimal attracted a lot of producers because on the surface level it makes people say "that sounds easy, I can do that." So whether or not Minimal is in fact easy or hard to make in reality, it made a lot of producers with Floops and Reason to at least give it a shot. To add to that, I think Deep House is a harder genre to copycat than Minimal, and is a harder genre for labels to A&R in comparison to Minimal. Because the average producer cant remake a great Deep House track, but they can remake a track that was a huge Minimal hit.

So, I think Minimal allowed producers to make music that is somewhat similar to the last huge Minimal track and get signed, because the parameters, elements, and the levels of discrepency were easy to blur between professionally made minimal track and amateur minimal track. Now, labels have no choice but to be more picky with Deep House, because there will be less to choose from due to the higher talent requirement. So more quality in those less choices, resulting in a lesser amount of music signed and released. Which is great for everyone, we simply had too much music being released during the modern Minimal movement, much of it was clutter.

Much of what I said objective observance, though there could be a debate about whether Deep House requires more talent in comparison to producing Minimal, and i'll be first to argue that the simplicity or complexity of a track, does not dictate the difficulty in creating a great piece of music. But having said that, I think Deep House still asks more from a producer musically. So because of this, fellow amateur producers might question their skills and the quality of their music before submitting it to a label, and again A&R's will have less to work with, yet more meat(bulletpoints) to work with in Deep House music, while deciding whether a track fits their label or is worth releasing.

Posted by Kismet7 on Jul-14-2009 07:53:

^Jeeeez. It came out to that much? lol...did'nt feel that long as I was typing. Ooops

Posted by Clovis on Jul-14-2009 08:07:

Yeah sorry dude, I stopped reading after the first 2 sentences. Deep house/house is a huge bandwagon right now and I think a push away from it has already begun amongst some.

Everything goes in cycles and this will likely repeat itself again in a few years.

Posted by Kismet7 on Jul-14-2009 08:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah sorry dude, I stopped reading after the first 2 sentences. Deep house/house is a huge bandwagon right now and I think a push away from it has already begun amongst some.

Everything goes in cycles and this will likely repeat itself again in a few years.

Cycles will indeed be shorter and faster, and if there is a push away from Deep House, I think that is how electronic music will be like in the future, shorter stints as upfront genres, with faster returns back to the forefront. Which is good for everyone I think, including record /.mp3 collectors of quality music that might buy something that might not be upfront at the moment, yet will be useful again in the future. I don't really mind what becomes the upfront genre.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-14-2009 08:30:

I agree somewhat, I think most good music has a certain timeless quality that makes it transcend what is simply trendy, no matter what that genre du jour might be.