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would this be of interest to anyone??

basically my studio partner and myself are looking into hiring some serious equipment. looking at getting something like a manley massive passive EQ and a really nice limiter, other brands we're looking into are cranesong and lavry. maybe a few other toys as well, still working out the details of the best possible mastering chain but its gonna be really good!

essentially the purpose would be to hire it for a week and line up lots of tracks to be mastered with it to make the hire worthwhile because it wont be cheap... some of you guys have used me for mastering before and seemed very happy with the results so would you or anyone else be tempted to send some new tracks my way so i can master them but this time running it through about �15,000 of mastering gear. so in theory it should sound far and away better than the immediate competition. the best thing is that i will still only charge a standard price of �25 per track.

any thoughts and ideas for this?? it wont be for a few months until we hire the gear...

I think if you have a good time mastering other people's work and they are satisfied with the results this can only make those results better. Especially since you seem like you know what you're doing with the gear not just renting it to try to make something shit sound better which it won't.

very true, however i dont get enough mastering work at the moment to justify a lot of money spent on gear to hire for a week or 2. mainly because i dont promote myself that much but thats another story!! so planning on lining up lots of tracks at once to make it work, pointless me doing it to only master 3 or 4 tracks through it or summat...

id be interested

sounds interesting yeah. i havent experienced your mastering skill though, would love to see what u could do with one of my problem tracks. would u like tracks in separate channels or one wav?

Like i said before Iain, i'll try and find some time to pop down

tracks in one full wav, 24 bit 44.1 is best format for me really. yes, RY get yourself to manchester!

I've been told that limiting is best done in digital. And I don't think you'll get results out of gear you've only owned for a few days. It takes months to learn the ins and outs on digital gear, let alone analogue gear with its sweet spots and what have you.

I think tis a waste of your time and money.

not sure about that... limiters and EQs are simple to use when youy know what your doing regardless of them being hardware or digital. and i've used some hardware eq/comps before so i know my round them.

who told you digital limiting is better?? just curious as i've not come across that before!

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Originally posted by palm sounds interesting yeah. i havent experienced your mastering skill though, would love to see what u could do with one of my problem tracks. would u like tracks in separate channels or one wav?

send me the full wav and i'll send you a free sample will have to charge you for the full track of course .

upload it to sendspace or summat and PM me on here, or add me on myspace.

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Originally posted by kitphillips And I don't think you'll get results out of gear you've only owned for a few days. It takes months to learn the ins and outs on digital gear, let alone analogue gear with its sweet spots and what have you.

I'd have to agree with this. Yeah, you'll be able to run sounds through the gear and improve them, but in the space of a couple of weeks you'll likely not get as much out of them compared with if you'd owned and used the gear for a year.

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Originally posted by studiobob not sure about that... limiters and EQs are simple to use when youy know what your doing regardless of them being hardware or digital. and i've used some hardware eq/comps before so i know my round them. who told you digital limiting is better?? just curious as i've not come across that before!

I've come across it a few times, most recently on the ableton forum ALDJ but also I think on gearslutz a few times, so I'd say its credible.

I never paid much attention, but I think the reasons were mainly about digital having look ahead functions, being cleaner, having more features etc.

I've never heard theres any point to using analogue limiting. Compression and EQ is a different matter obviously, but I'd say that unless you're doing stem mastering, the benefits will be quite minimal, even if you owned the gear and knew it inside out.

Generally, people use analogue EQ and compression to add character, and I'm guessing you'll only have one set of analogue EQs and one set of analogue compressors, which means you won't be able to select the best one for the task. Analogue gear isn't as versatile as digital generally, so that'll be a problem, and even if you had a couple of different pieces, you'd need more than a week to learn their individual idiosyncracies.

Honestly, I think most mastering engineers view analogue gear more as a marketing tool than a practical sound device these days, if you're producing good results then you don't need to prove anything to anyone by running masters through analogue gear.

interesting points, will definitly research into that a bit more... maybe an analogue limiter is not the answer, maybe a neve summing mixer might be better employed along a tasty mastering EQ...and just the limiters on the liquid mix or waves or summat...hmmm decisions decisions!

Most engineers on Gearslutz use Voxengo Elephant3 or waves l3

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Originally posted by Ry Thomas Most engineers on Gearslutz use Voxengo Elephant3 or waves l3

Don't use waves L3 for mastering. It's really bad.

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Originally posted by studiobob interesting points, will definitly research into that a bit more... maybe an analogue limiter is not the answer, maybe a neve summing mixer might be better employed along a tasty mastering EQ...and just the limiters on the liquid mix or waves or summat...hmmm decisions decisions!

Well, if you're going to use a summing mixer then you'll need all the stems, and you'll need to rely on your clients not to do any summing at all before they send you the work... But I guess theres not much to learn on a summing mixer, so maybe its a good option in that sense.

But yeah, I think Waves limiters are what you want in this instance... Again, I think theres very little point to the exercise, but it might be a good experiment and could provide an interesting experience I guess.

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Originally posted by Timothy Don't use waves L3 for mastering. It's really bad.

Justify?

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Originally posted by kitphillips Well, if you're going to use a summing mixer then you'll need all the stems, and you'll need to rely on your clients not to do any summing at all before they send you the work... But I guess theres not much to learn on a summing mixer, so maybe its a good option in that sense. But yeah, I think Waves limiters are what you want in this instance... Again, I think theres very little point to the exercise, but it might be a good experiment and could provide an interesting experience I guess. Justify?

Just do some simple test. You'll hear it yourself. It's not really transparant and it can screw up your mix. You can use it if you want, but there are better mastering limiters that give a better end result to your mastering

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Originally posted by Timothy Just do some simple test. You'll hear it yourself. It's not really transparant and it can screw up your mix. You can use it if you want, but there are better mastering limiters that give a better end result to your mastering

well dont leave us in suspense mate give us a clue at least!

Yeah was about to ask myself. But TBH I'm happy with waves so don't really care.

what type of discount would you charge for an album? (two discs - about 150 total minutes of audio - the tracks have actually already been mastered and I don't have access to their raw forms so keep that in mind. i'm going to track the recording at -5 dB or so.)

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