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Going Live!

If some one asked u to perform live at a club or a party for 1 hr how would u go about it?

Also if u did not have a computer could u still make music?

Just want it to asked y'all!

Re: Going Live!

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 Also if u did not have a computer could u still make music?

No. Music did not exist before computers.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles No. Music did not exist before computers.

Okay if u did not have a computer could u bang out tracks?

Yes. Although I have no hardware effects units, so they would sound pretty dry. :-)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Yes. Although I have no hardware effects units, so they would sound pretty dry. :-)

What hardware Sequencer do u have?

Re: Going Live!

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 If some one asked u to perform live at a club or a party for 1 hr how would u go about it? Just want it to asked y'all!

Would some of y'all burn tracks u made on to cd and dj?

Sorry i had a few beers and when i have a few beers i act a fool on hear!

Hell yes, link a couple of electribes together and away you go!

You could just do one rs7000 but that fucker, although powerful and very good, takes fucking ages to master.

I would post link to vids of live sets in simple setups but that doesn't work here (*hint hint diginuts)

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I would post link to vids of live sets in simple setups but that doesn't work here (*hint hint diginuts)

http://flashsucks.org/

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Hell yes, link a couple of electribes together and away you go! You could just do one rs7000 but that fucker, although powerful and very good, takes fucking ages to master. I would post link to vids of live sets in simple setups but that doesn't work here (*hint hint diginuts)

I feel u i have a Roland d2 groovebox! (it has all of the mc-505 sounds)
Check out this guy!
Trance track made with a roland mc-303 and a yamaha djx less is more with this guy!
I;m trying to master my D2 like this guy did the 303!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQwQSKe-Fw

Really, though, I hate how Flash and other bandwidth-heavy stuff gets used so indiscriminately these days. Players and video embeds dumped all over social networking sites, MySpace Music being one of the worst examples. Threads on boards, including this one, made enormously long by dozens of YouTube videos being posted. People have forgotten the virtues of efficiency and clean design on the web. This little forum is immune to this stupid trend right now, and I hope it stays that way.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN takes fucking ages to master.

How is that a problem? Instant gratification is not part of learning to make music.

There are tons of great hardware sequencers out there. I use a genoQs Octopus for most of my MIDI sequencing, and a few different analog sequencers with CV and gate inputs and outputs for modulars and a few other things with voltage control. Beyond that, I use an Atari Mega ST here and there, and Numerology with some custom templates set up to work with my multi-channel MIDI-CV units.

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Originally posted by hexadecimal How is that a problem? Instant gratification is not part of learning to make music.

No a "problem" as such, just that the RS7000 is a groovebox, drum machine, sampler, sequencer, mixer (with fx and complex routing) and synth in one. If you have tracks that you want to play out with, then getting them in to the RS7000 will take months of programming.

IF you made the tracks in the RS7000, then that's a different thing, and it's a joy to use, but seriously, I know people who gig with them (professionally) and it took them 3 years to fully master it, and these are the same guys that can sit in front of a new sequencer such as logic or cubase and have it all down in a couple of days.

@jive - I hear you about the flash vids, but seriously, there's no other way currently to embed ok video with sound. I hate youtube vids for their quality in the same way I hate low bitrate mp3's but they serve a purpose and until there's a change in infrastructure like mass bandwidth speed increases or advancements in file compression technology, flash vids are going to stay around and be popular.

My problem is not the lack of quality, my problem is that once you enable embeds, people feel it is okay to dump twenty videos in a thread, making it ridiculously long and slowing the loading time. Why is it not sufficient to just link the video?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I know people who gig with them (professionally) and it took them 3 years to fully master it, and these are the same guys that can sit in front of a new sequencer such as logic or cubase and have it all down in a couple of days.

I'm assuming these people had never used a hardware sequencer or "groove box" before? It's really not all that complicated.

It's a bunch of basic concepts put in one box. The only thing to figure out is the interface, provided you already know what you need to do.

I'm assuming "3 years" was an exaggeration?

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Originally posted by hexadecimal I'm assuming these people had never used a hardware sequencer or "groove box" before? It's really not all that complicated. It's a bunch of basic concepts put in one box. The only thing to figure out is the interface, provided you already know what you need to do. I'm assuming "3 years" was an exaggeration?

Have you ever used an RS7000? I can't think of any one piece of kit that does all of what it does. You have to do it all through a LCD (non colour) display smaller than most digital cameras have these days. To truly master that thing takes a serious amount of dedication and time. Yeah, 3 years is a bit of an exaggeration, but not much in all honesty. Don't forget you can connect SCSI devices to it as well such as other samplers and CD rom drives for samples which adds another layer of functionality. You can also sync several of them together (what my mates do for the live act) which means even more functionality. I forgot to mention it's also an audio editor, external midi sequencer and midi keyboard. They know what they're doing - it's just that thing is damn complex.


My last surviving piece of hardware is my beloved Electribe, easy to program and a ton of fun.

Yes, I have owned and used one. I've also owned an RM1X in the past, among many other all-in-one type boxes. The last one I had was a Radikal Spectralis (look it up).

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saying it's really not nearly as difficult as you're making it out to be.

I'm not sure how the ability to connect external devices for storage (a basic feature of most professional samplers) adds any complexity?

Synchronizing multiple things together is a normal part of using hardware, as is MIDI sequencing, so that doesn't explain why you think it's so complex, either.

Most musical instruments take some dedication to learn. I have no idea what the size of the display has to do with anything (and actually, in terms of hardware sequencers, it's a pretty large display). Most displays on synths, samplers, and sequencers lack color as well.

Basically it seems like you're just naming things that people rarely have to think about while working "in the box" as reasons why the RS7000 is incredibly complex and difficult to learn.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I forgot to mention it's also an audio editor

I meant to comment on this as well.

It's not really an audio editor so much as it just has basic sample editing capabilities, as many hardware samplers do.

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Originally posted by hexadecimal I meant to comment on this as well. It's not really an audio editor so much as it just has basic sample editing capabilities, as many hardware samplers do.

No, you can record audio in to it and then edit audio as a waveform, therefore it is an audio editor. Basic, but still an audio editor.

I totally get what you're saying but I think you point about a musical instrument taking time is very valid in this instance.

It is a sampler. That takes time to learn.
it is a synth. That takes time to learn.
It is a drum machine. That takes time to learn.
It is a Sequencer. That takes time to learn.
It is has FX. That takes time to learn.
It had built in mixing capabilities. That takes time to learn.

I could go on but I think you get the point. It's not that any of these are hard to learn in themselves but they are complex when put in one box and used simultaneously. I don't think I've ever met anyone that has owned one that has said the learning curve isn't steep on them. I also found it not to be too intuitive, at least to me.

How did you like the spectralis - was eyeing one of theses a while back?

The Spectralis sounds great, but the buggy ass software and missing features (which were listed in the specs) eventually killed it for me, so I sold it. They have finally updated the software, but I still won't go back.

...and if the RS7000 took someone 3 years to figure out, the Spectralis would take 6.

Here are my 2 eurocents as I have been touring in the past with a "live set"...

I honestly think that rm, rs, grooveboxes et al are GREAT machines for going "live", except when you play keyboards. And most of the time they lack a single feature that makes a world of difference.

I've been looking for months here as I was on the hunt for something that might replace all of my broken keyboards, my master keyboard at home, my desperate trigger finger that still worked, with eventually a soundcard so I could use it as a combo audio/midi through a single usb cable, and some synth features.

I got to test the Roland Fantom G6 out. It has everything I wanted, and at least it's rock-solid.

Good thing is that you can't program it groovebox-style but you can play on it that way, like musicians would do normally. And with RAM expansion up to 1gb now, you should be able to put a 1-hour live set together in WAV format.

To be honest, this is probably the most stunning synthesizer workstation I've seen, and the GUI is just like using a computer that never crashes. And now I discovered that it is also a DECENT synth and not just a Sample player.

I really wouldn't know what to do with so much horsepower.

... and still it is in some cases cheaper than a virus Ti keyboard or polar.

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Originally posted by palm how bout using Elektron Machinedrum for drums and samples and MonoMachine for synthlines? If i win some money soon im getting that! Synced with ableton you can pretty much do anything without being afraid of crashes and computer shit (using ableton for only minor things).

Elektron Machinedrum and MonoMachine are nice but some reason it kinda
sounds cold to me!
I played with one at the music store and it was fun!
To me i rather use redrum and some good roland tr-808/tr-909 samples, make my loops and used them on a Roland sp-555 for live use!
Also i can't find any Elektron videos on youtube that made me go wow i want one!

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