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My conspiracy theory for the day: rift between US and Israel is contrived

How many ppl here think that the rift between US and Israel is staged? Follow this wacky logic:

1. Israel doesn't want nuclear Iran, US is on board as well
2. Israel wants to take military action, US is openly against it
3. Behind closed doors, US says: "let's make it look like we're fighting and we're trying to stop you, but you do your thang. We'll play mad that you did and vigorously wag our collective finger."
4. The rest plays out in media: Israel spits in Biden's face, US acts all upset, Iran gives everyone the finger again, and now Israel is getting ready to strike Iran.

I know it may be a bit far-fetched but it kinda takes the pressure off US, if you think about it. Now, I personally think it would be dumb as shit to attack Iran and I am definitely against it. But I figure should shit hit the fan, there would be lots of covert players interested in getting their punch in. Look for Sudi Arabia, China, Russia, and US duking it out behind the curtains, while Israel is being used as a scape goat and a punching bag.

So, what do you think?

I think the van is already en route to your location as we speak. And don't bother listening for the helicopters - they're stealth!@

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I think the van is already en route to your location as we speak. And don't bother listening for the helicopters - they're stealth!@

zomg! I KNEW IT!!!

Re: My conspiracy theory for the day: rift between US and Israel is contrived

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Originally posted by emc^2 How many ppl here think that the rift between US and Israel is staged? Follow this wacky logic: 1. Israel doesn't want nuclear Iran, US is on board as well 2. Israel wants to take military action, US is openly against it 3. Behind closed doors, US says: "let's make it look like we're fighting and we're trying to stop you, but you do your thang. We'll play mad that you did and vigorously wag our collective finger." 4. The rest plays out in media: Israel spits in Biden's face, US acts all upset, Iran gives everyone the finger again, and now Israel is getting ready to strike Iran. I know it may be a bit far-fetched but it kinda takes the pressure off US, if you think about it. Now, I personally think it would be dumb as shit to attack Iran and I am definitely against it. But I figure should shit hit the fan, there would be lots of covert players interested in getting their punch in. Look for Sudi Arabia, China, Russia, and US duking it out behind the curtains, while Israel is being used as a scape goat and a punching bag. So, what do you think?

You are probably right on this theory. The U.S. just simply doesn't want to get it's hands dirty and Obama doesnt want to come off as another Bush Jr. However one way or another if Isreal does stike Iran you can bet your ass the U.S will get involved one way or another simply because Iran will probably start striking at the American troops in Iraq or even Afhgnaistan.

I doubt Obama can afford to get entangled in another conflict. Given the economy slowly returning to some positive territory, I think opening another front would be an enormously expensive proposition, all other factors aside. Besides, there's a growing domestic discontent within Iran, starting some shit would quickly shift moderates to hard-liners. Nuclear Iran is an inevitable reality - we better get used to it. The only sensible thing for Israel to do at this point is to open their cards and declare their nuclear capability as well. This way there's some counterballance in GOOD OL' MAD.

Now, that will probably result in the rest of the region arming itself, which will create some serious "Mexican stand-off" sort of situation. So, grab yourself some popcorn folks - looks like we got front row seats to the Armageddon (not the shitty movie).

Iran wants conflict with the west, particularly Israel and United States. The theocratic military oligarchy needs an outside enemy to stay in power.

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin Iran wants conflict with the west, particularly Israel and United States. The theocratic military oligarchy needs an outside enemy to stay in power.

yeah but this is a very dumb gamble for Iran. I doubt they think that they can take on Israel AND US, should Israelis start the shit. But they are banking on the fact that US is militarily stretched, in no small part thanks to Iran's covert meddling in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Originally posted by aNYthing yeah but this is a very dumb gamble for Iran. I doubt they think that they can take on Israel AND US, should Israelis start the shit. But they are banking on the fact that US is militarily stretched, in no small part thanks to Iran's covert meddling in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

'yes' and 'no' on this - iran is trying to become the regional hegemon in the middle east and nuclear arms is the only way to it. what exactly do you think would happen if iran would have a nuclear bomb? even with the recent agreement obama signed with russia for nuclear arms reduction, the united states is still fully stocked. the fact is, iran is still about 10 years away from developing an actual nuclear bomb, and in that respect, its difficult to say what will happen to iran with russia and china on the rise. russia, after all, has the largest natural gas reserve in the world, and there is more push for drilling in siberia and the arctic regions. china and russia are building an oil pipeline between each other which is slated to be complete by 2011. since about 1/3 of europe is dependent on russian energy, i think the more likely position iran will take is aligning itself with russia. russia is openly anti-us foreign policy and actively working on introducing a new global reserve currency to replace the dollar: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...his-pocket.html

at the same time, israel is too deeply rooted in united states foreign policy. i honestly can't see how the action of one will NOT influence the action of the other. iran is not a threat to the united states, but it can be a threat to israel. sure, obama might be making a few more aggressive political moves towards israel, but fiscally israel is still getting tons of cash from congress, and that hasn't changed since he became president. so, in short, obama might not buy into some of the bullshit israel is pulling, but the white house is still friends with israel: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comme...co_talk_remnick

this is a bit dated, but an interesting article on the cost of israel to united states tax payers: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat..._of_israel.html

of course it is, who benefits the most from our war on the muslim world? israel. the us is their attack dog, its pretty simple.

Show's over, guys. Max Thompson has it all figured out and it's pretty simple. Everyone go home, things here are handled.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Show's over, guys. Max Thompson has it all figured out and it's pretty simple. Everyone go home, things here are handled.

Those fucking big nosed Jews!! I knew it was them all along!

It's always them! I can't believe you ever let your guard down.

Re: My conspiracy theory for the day: rift between US and Israel is contrived

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Originally posted by emc^2 How many ppl here think that the rift between US and Israel is staged? Follow this wacky logic: 1. Israel doesn't want nuclear Iran, US is on board as well 2. Israel wants to take military action, US is openly against it 3. Behind closed doors, US says: "let's make it look like we're fighting and we're trying to stop you, but you do your thang. We'll play mad that you did and vigorously wag our collective finger." 4. The rest plays out in media: Israel spits in Biden's face, US acts all upset, Iran gives everyone the finger again, and now Israel is getting ready to strike Iran. I know it may be a bit far-fetched but it kinda takes the pressure off US, if you think about it. Now, I personally think it would be dumb as shit to attack Iran and I am definitely against it. But I figure should shit hit the fan, there would be lots of covert players interested in getting their punch in. Look for Sudi Arabia, China, Russia, and US duking it out behind the curtains, while Israel is being used as a scape goat and a punching bag. So, what do you think?

I agree, but I still think Obama has been the worst thing that has happened to Israel and the great United States of America. I call it the 'kool-aid fever'-- he's making Carter look like a hero! Well done.

Obama's health care takes care of immediate family members in my household, but with time I'll be able to afford something better. I'm convinced a nanny state (and a trillion dollar debt) is the least thing I want my grandkids to experience or inherit.

g-d bless.

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Originally posted by noah I agree, but I still think Obama has been the worst thing that has happened to Israel and the great United States of America. I call it the 'kool-aid fever'-- he's making Carter look like a hero! Well done. Obama's health care takes care of immediate family members in my household, but with time I'll be able to afford something better. I'm convinced a nanny state (and a trillion dollar debt) is the least thing I want my grandkids to experience or inherit. g-d bless.

If Obama is the worst thing to have happened to America, what was George W Bush?

who cares - no nukes, no war, no boom.

irans getting shit on, write out otherwise potential regional power on amicable ties with US's business partners china and russia.

They can't compete with iran so they strangle them, same deal with iraq 20 years ago.

The US and Israel are not beneath murder and destruction of their opponents. Even if the opponent hasn't acted against them.

IE both will strike on the beleif rather than the act. It isn't FEAR OF DESTRUCTION - it is fear of someone elses success they are despot states. They both trace their histories to theft of others land by force.

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Originally posted by ******** who cares - no nukes, no war, no boom. irans getting shit on, write out otherwise potential regional power on amicable ties with US's business partners china and russia. They can't compete with iran so they strangle them, same deal with iraq 20 years ago. The US and Israel are not beneath murder and destruction of their opponents. Even if the opponent hasn't acted against them. IE both will strike on the beleif rather than the act. It isn't FEAR OF DESTRUCTION - it is fear of someone elses success they are despot states. They both trace their histories to theft of others land by force.

Listening to you like being bukkaked with stupid.

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Originally posted by Chairman Meow If Obama is the worst thing to have happened to America, what was George W Bush?

GW Bush was the best thing that ever happend for Israel.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Listening to you like being bukkaked with stupid.

Did your slideshow leave town without you?


I bet your mother has a loud fart! Afterall her ass fit you through it.

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Originally posted by noah I agree, but I still think Obama has been the worst thing that has happened to Israel and the great United States of America. I call it the 'kool-aid fever'-- he's making Carter look like a hero! Well done.

So is he a bad president because for the first time in years he is actually criticizing Israel's actions?. How is that a bad thing exactly? you really believe that Israel is so perfect that it shouldn't be criticized by the U.S. president?

no he is a bad president because he let his citizens abduct and hold me for a month against my wishes, then threatened me in that if I come back I would be forced to stay for 10 years.


Its nice to visit or traverse the US now and then but lets get real there is something called "overkill"

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Originally posted by ******** no he is a bad president because he let his citizens abduct and hold me for a month against my wishes, then threatened me in that if I come back I would be forced to stay for 10 years.

vote 1 obama.

Why should a rogue non-state like Israel be allowed to have nuclear weapons while Iran can't? Israel is a much bigger menace and threat to its neighbors than Iran is.

Nobody "allowed" Israel to obtain nuclear weapons. They just did. And 90% of the world's countries recognize the Israeli state. Get with the times man. It's not 1948 anymore.

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin Nobody "allowed" Israel to obtain nuclear weapons. They just did. And 90% of the world's countries recognize the Israeli state. Get with the times man. It's not 1948 anymore.

Maybe I'll get with the times when "Israel" gets with the times and:

* Ends the mass oppression of the Palestinian people.
* Stops having a government that favors people based on their religious background and grant equal rights to all.
* End the "law of return" and stop importing people from abroad in order to maintain a retarded constitutional ideology that's counter to democracy.

Israel for years has been one of the biggest threats to world peace and the main dividing line between the west and the Arab world.

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Originally posted by Scratchula Maybe I'll get with the times when "Israel" gets with the times and: * Ends the mass oppression of the Palestinian people.

Agreed. But bellicose rhetoric denying the existence of a nation-state recognized by 90% of world isn't going to solve anything.

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* Stops having a government that favors people based on their religious background and grant equal rights to all. * End the "law of return" and stop importing people from abroad in order to maintain a retarded constitutional ideology that's counter to democracy.

If you're for a fair compromise, that surely isn't going to happen.

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Israel for years has been one of the biggest threats to world peace and the main dividing line between the west and the Arab world.

How so? By attacking those who attack them? How is that threatening world peace? If you said North Korea was a threat to world peace, I'd have to agree, but Israel? No.

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