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Track length Issue - And labels length Criteria (Added final Edit)

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This is the final track that i managed to squeeze to ~8min
It's more to the point less missing around...
And the ending is really about power, i struggled with it for a while
and i think it came out pretty good




I'm facing this more than often,
Lately I tend to make longer tracks than usual
9,10 minutes long tracks
And i find it more tough to get those signed or accepted
I've been told more that once to edit them, make them shorter
Generally I have no problem with that , specially if nothing is happening in the tracks or if it feels repetitive/boring , but there are tracks that have a story and are not complete without the whole thing

for example this remix i did recently
I'm bit frustrated as i poured my self into it but essentially it was turned down

It seems like there might have been a communication problem when you were discussing what the expectations were. I understand your frustration though as they ultimately asked you to remix it and give your interpretation, and you made an artistic decision about how you felt the track should best be remixed and they rejected your vision more than the quality.

Still, I think any EDM label, even the most popular radio oriented labels, should be OK with at least one of the remixes being a long progressive structured track though.

reason i put the link above is because for that particular track i really feel that any edit is out of the question
question is , does it feel too long , does it feel that it's dragging

you can easily condense the first 2.5 min into 1 min and shave another 2 mins off the end. it will probably make the track marginally better.
but yes, your entire arrangement is a bit bizzarre.

I honestly don't have a problem with length, in a song, and often wonder whether the people who do make an issue of it aren't simply doing so because it veers from their conventional beliefs about what a song should be. Honestly, given the quality of this (although some of the mid-highs/highs are a little pronounced for my taste - particularly the noise-ish percussion), I think you could have done a lot worse. I quite enjoy the tune.

Thanks for making it downloadable. Will definitely be listening to it, again.

6 minutes max. If you need more time, do an extended mix.

That track is fine. Some people can't hear potential. You just need to condense the arrangement. Should take you 2 hours. I wouldn't be discouraged. I would not of rejected it, i would of given you a a chance to fix the loose ends although if i asked for a remix, I would of paid you before hand and stated in the contract the requirements i expect. When doing remixes, get as much detail as you can.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I quite enjoy the tune. Thanks for making it downloadable. Will definitely be listening to it, again.

my pleasure

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney You just need to condense the arrangement. Should take you 2 hours.

man 2 hours , i'v been staring at it for two days
I will try at it again in a day or two , right now its buzzing in my head

don't change it. Just edit. You just have to take out.

On this genre i have no worries about lenght i'll still prefer ~7min tracks than 9-10 minute ones but it's ok.

If you plan to release on labels where djs fill their crate often be aware that djs hate long tracks, the standard is 64 bars for intro, 64 for outro, this is roughly 1-1 minutes, then 4 minutes or even 3 minutes of "track" is enough, this is what works best on dancefloors and labels know it.

But for any progressive style i think that at least 7 minutes are mandatory if you want something happening.

too much high end for the cymbals and stuff? Blah. It sounds pretty tight to me eq wise. It's very crisp and clear and I'm using shitty speakers. As far as length goes is it required for it to be in the 7 minute range?

What software are you using just out of curiosity?

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Originally posted by Leg0nd What software are you using just out of curiosity?

Ableton for the whole production and mixing phase
Cubase for Mastering

Anyone in marketing knows the consumers attention span is reducing, afterall people are now bombarded with messages all vying for attention.

Nice track but is I think too baggy, in the way some films are. Browsing beatport we get a small segway of a track and tend to base a buying decision on that, so I guess labels think an overlong track could put most buyers off as they won't know what the other 8 mins is all about.

Labels are really struggling so it's no wonder they are being careful about what they get involved with now.

If you want the track to retain the artistic integrity you envisaged, then maybe just give it away / release yourself, if the art is your MOST important consideration.

Passenger 10 - Turkish Delight (Original Mix) by Passenger10

Storyteller posted this track a while back. It's recent and I believe very relevant. After Storytella posted it I heard it on one of the major dance music radio shows.

I think there will always be a market in EDM for long progressive structured tracks. If you have a release with an original and 3 remixes, I don't see why one of them can't be a long progressive structured remix. I am not saying to release tons of long songs, but a few here and there seems ideal.

honestly think the arrangement is bloated and just lacks focus. Same with the original one posted.You take too long to say so little. It is just poor writing. The form is not elaborate enough to warrant the length. I don't think there is a wrong or right length, but most of these tracks that are 10 minutes are just structurally weak.

think ive said this a few times before:

* 128bpm
* 8 sections a 32bars/1min (intro,part1,2,3,1,2,3,outro) = 8min track

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Originally posted by Richard Butler so I guess labels think an overlong track could put most buyers off as they won't know what the other 8 mins is all about. Labels are really struggling so it's no wonder they are being careful about what they get involved with now.

Oh come on, it's electronic dance music. You hear 10 seconds, you've heard the track. In like 98% of cases it hardly matters if the track is 5 minutes or 10 minutes.

With pretty much every track I've seen posted on the production forum here, you could cut off the first and last 30-90 seconds and it would only make the track better.

well the last 30 seconds are meant to be simple as fuck to help djs mixing , you've radio edits for listening purpose but i hate the trend in progressive house tracks of cuting the bass and nearly every noticeable element on the outro, i like to keep the exiting track playing for some bars and with this kind of outros you've to make rough transitions.

By the way, in all fairness trance specially uplifting is boring right now, the intro until breakdown is something that bery few people put effort in that, as a result you most times skip to the breakdown which can be generic and if the melody is lackluster isn't interesting either. So in a 8 minute track you get 2-3 listeneable minutes.

Added final edit in the first post

I really enjoyed this track, great job!

It is a little long thou, best is to give it to someone you trust to shorten it who isn't attached to the track.

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Originally posted by Julz best is to give it to someone you trust to shorten it who isn't attached to the track.

probably should have done that :P

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