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SSD in new MPB's
pros/cons for production?
concerned about the cost/space ratio and the fact that from what i understand it is difficult to clear them entirely and free up space should you run out.
pros: faster
cons: less space
whats most important to you?
no cons. You need space. Get a thunderbolt external. You have more potential space at a faster rate than any tower. I suppose the con is that it isn't poor friendly.
No cons at all.
I just whacked a Samsung SSD in to my ageing imac (update to that thread coming) and it's like having a new computer.
25 seconds from pushing the power button to actually working on it.
Icons in the dock don't even get a full bounce before they open.
Downloading/my internet is faster due to lack of bottleneck on the drive as the file cached.
None of those little latencies of the program itself working within logic (i.e. pressing start, or enable recording etc)- it's like having a hardware desk.
large projects open in seconds (that used to take minutes) and my overall CPU usage has plummeted.
Get a 256gb as your OS then a large thunderbolt external drive.
No excuse
get 4 G drive thunderbolt 4 TB each. Thunderbolt is just so tits. And the imacs with 2 thunderbolt ports. I have 10 of them. They rock.
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney get 4 G drive thunderbolt 4 TB each. Thunderbolt is just so tits. And the imacs with 2 thunderbolt ports. I have 10 of them. They rock. |
Depends how much cash you have. If you have about 1k to burn, you can get the OWC Mercury Pro 3G 960GB SSD, which gives you both speed and space. Mind you, it's only SATA2, yes, but on a MacBook Pro, the difference between SATA2 and SATA3 is absolutely miniscule. Otherwise, get a Samsung SSD. Samsung uses their own controllers, which provide high-class performance and reliability.
Responding to L4C, an external drive defeats the purpose of a laptop. You need something built-in, not lug around an external hard drive, even if it's in a 2.5" form factor. I carry around a small USB3 WD My Passport, and I'm getting quite pissed at having to move around with a stupid chunk of plastic and aluminum. Unless you plan on keeping your laptop at the desk 90% of the time, in which case an external Thunderbolt drive is perfect, I suggest something internal.
why the fuck would you need a portable system with that much space. Get 2 256 drives. Done. I have a smaller TB drive that is 2 TB that is about the size of a coke can.
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney why the fuck would you need a portable system with that much space. Get 2 256 drives. Done. I have a smaller TB drive that is 2 TB that is about the size of a coke can. |
then he has a backup i imagine. Which sort of destroys the no external.
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney why the fuck would you need a portable system with that much space. Get 2 256 drives. Done. I have a smaller TB drive that is 2 TB that is about the size of a coke can. |
So you have 4 possible combinations. I'm sure you can figure this one out.
Hang on, this isn't making any sense.
That OWC drive is absolutely horrendous value and even if you;re travelling ever weekend, you don't need a 1tb drive. 256gb will be fine until you get to your time machine backup.
Don't forget 1gb is just under two full hours of 24b/96k uncompressed wav.
So taking in to account your OS (approx 60gb with all programs installed on the primary) a 256gb drive would have 195gb left. So you never want to go above 90% of that so you've got say 170gb of space on your primary drive.
That means 340 hours of recording at 24bit/96k or roughly two full weeks of non stop recording.
So as long as you get to you backup/archive drive at least once every two weeks (of course assuming that your laptop is recording 24/7) you'll have enough space.
See what i'm getting at?
But then again, you have to be a muppet not to have a backup drive (at least USB thumb drive) with you if you're travelling so much.
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN Hang on, this isn't making any sense. That OWC drive is absolutely horrendous value and even if you;re travelling ever weekend, you don't need a 1tb drive. 256gb will be fine until you get to your time machine backup. Don't forget 1gb is just under two full hours of 24b/96k uncompressed wav. So taking in to account your OS (approx 60gb with all programs installed on the primary) a 256gb drive would have 195gb left. So you never want to go above 90% of that so you've got say 170gb of space on your primary drive. That means 340 hours of recording at 24bit/96k or roughly two full weeks of non stop recording. So as long as you get to you backup/archive drive at least once every two weeks (of course assuming that your laptop is recording 24/7) you'll have enough space. See what i'm getting at? But then again, you have to be a muppet not to have a backup drive (at least USB thumb drive) with you if you're travelling so much. |
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| Originally posted by Anakratis For one, I do have a stationary backup drive at home that I plug into, and use a direct backup method of important content and documents using DropBox. Two, a 256GB SSD makes no sense for a full-on producer, sound-designer, graphic designer, and student on the road. I have nearly 500GB worth of samples and content on its own currently on my 750GB stock HDD. As I said earlier, I simply refuse to carry around an external hard drive that I have to plug-in when, for example, I'd like to finish something up in Ableton or After Effects on the train. About the OWC SSD, I did say if you have 1k to burn. A 960GB SSD for one grand isn't a terrible deal at all. Back to the OP, the best bang for your buck right now would be a hybrid HDD/SSD, such as the Seagate Momentus XT 750GB or the upcoming WD hybrid, which they just announced. You don't really need an SSD at all. A 7200RPM hybrid drive works enough wonders, both in speed and space. |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense. Hybrid drives are terrible; you're doubling the chances of drive failure (one part breaks, the drive as a whole stops working) and they are nothing more than a temporary market stop gap between expensive SSD's and cheap HDD's. They will be completely pointless as soon as SSD's become cheaper. They're also only marginally better performance than a normal HDD, and significantly worse than a good SSD. In terms of market pressures right now, it's spend the money and get an SSD or go cheap and buy a good fast HDD. Hyrbids suck on both counts; comparatively expensive to an HDD without the full performance of an SSD. The other reason I saw the OWC is crap value is that in 2 years time a 1tb SSD will be under $400 and they'll be twice as fast as anything available now. If it's about carrying around samples, then get one small SSD for OS and Apps, then a large (2tb) internal HDD. Every daw out there lets you automatically copy used audio files/patches to the working project file which should be on your primary drive anyway. You really don't need all your samples on a primary internal drive (and shouldn't in best practice anyway as if you OS drive fails, you're not losing them or having to copy you're entire sample library back on to a new primary OS drive). Do what you want, but I'm telling you from a pro audio production perspective, you're not thinking about your setup in the right way. |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN I'm sorry, but this is utter nonsense. Hybrid drives are terrible; you're doubling the chances of drive failure (one part breaks, the drive as a whole stops working) and they are nothing more than a temporary market stop gap between expensive SSD's and cheap HDD's. They will be completely pointless as soon as SSD's become cheaper. They're also only marginally better performance than a normal HDD, and significantly worse than a good SSD. In terms of market pressures right now, it's spend the money and get an SSD or go cheap and buy a good fast HDD. Hyrbids suck on both counts; comparatively expensive to an HDD without the full performance of an SSD. The other reason I saw the OWC is crap value is that in 2 years time a 1tb SSD will be under $400 and they'll be twice as fast as anything available now. If it's about carrying around samples, then get one small SSD for OS and Apps, then a large (2tb) internal HDD. Every daw out there lets you automatically copy used audio files/patches to the working project file which should be on your primary drive anyway. You really don't need all your samples on a primary internal drive (and shouldn't in best practice anyway as if you OS drive fails, you're not losing them or having to copy you're entire sample library back on to a new primary OS drive). Do what you want, but I'm telling you from a pro audio production perspective, you're not thinking about your setup in the right way. |
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| Originally posted by Anakratis Ugh. Congrats on your big-headed ideas of pro audio. I'm sure it works well but I didn't ask for your worthless advice for my setup. I'm done having to explain myself for things I didn't ask for. I suggest you focus on the OPs inquiry rather than sassing my "setup". I have yet to have a hybrid drive fail on me and with regular backups you'll be just fine. 90 bucks, 750GB hybrid. Done deal. If you want an external drive, then go with what L4C and RANN have been suggesting. |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN well if you don't want comments about your setup, stop giving shit advice about it then. not starting a fight but I do this shit for a living, and Hybrids only exist because SSD's aren't (yet) cheaper for large drives. They may well fine for you but in the grand scheme of things and anyone setting something up from pro audio, they're really not a great choice. They will be obsolete IMO within 2 years time, replaced with cheap better performing SSD's. I'm just saying for For under $350 you can get Samsung or Intel SSD large enough for all your OS needs and a large (2tb) internal drive for all your projects/samples. Problem solved. No need for hybrids or expensive large SSD's. |
they have a higher failure rate. And you don't have a backup so anything done on that drive, while you are away well i would go with both drives is acceptable to lose.
I don't know. I suppose you need to experience a drive failure to understand how paranoid it will make you. It has nothing to do with how you run it. It is just luck of the draw. Lacie has this really small external thunderbolt with 2 TB. It is small enough for a dj with carry on luggage only. And you can also just keep a double of your system drive in the same pouch.
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