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Perceived Loudness

what are you peeps using to measure perceived loudness of your tracks? Or do you care?

Im using MP3gain, an old program thats been around for ages, just wondering about other alternatives?

thanks

ears work good lol

peak to rms ratio is really the best number feed back. But calibrated system and your ears. That is the best way.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney ears work good lol peak to rms ratio is really the best number feed back. But calibrated system and your ears. That is the best way.

yes you are correct about ears, i just dont trust them sometimes and like my computer to give me a second opinion

I have the Flux Pure Analyzer system with the Metering option. It reports pretty much every standard, including EBU-R128 for perceived loudness. I don't pay too much attention to it tbh since I tend to work on the minus side of the loudness war. But, it's useful for comparing my loudness values to reference tracks.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I have the Flux Pure Analyzer system with the Metering option. It reports pretty much every standard, including EBU-R128 for perceived loudness. I don't pay too much attention to it tbh since I tend to work on the minus side of the loudness war. But, it's useful for comparing my loudness values to reference tracks.

looks interesting but i think u need a dongle for that, thanks

Yes, it does require an iLok.

Before I bought it, I compared it to the Waves WLM, which was also very nice, a bit cheaper, doesn't require a dongle, and also reports both short-term and long-term perceived loudness. I'm sure there are even cheaper (maybe even free) perceived loudness meters available, but accuracy/precision may be a concern.

there is a free tool by sonalksis ? someone help me out. But ya, it does all that. Free. At the height of the loudness war and bobkats started crying and they released that thing

Re: Perceived Loudness

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Originally posted by evo8 Im using MP3gain, an old program thats been around for ages

Lol, I still used that program (albeit for making large numbers of tracks all similar volume). It's actually pretty damn good but it has virtually nothing in the way of reporting / analysis.

no applause for Bob crying ?

anyone ?

its too loud. Were is my ball. No but seriously. oh. ya he is the kinda guy that will ruin an orgy.

Melda's meter is good and its free.

http://www.meldaproduction.com/plug...oudnessAnalyzer

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney there is a free tool by sonalksis ? someone help me out.

FreeG?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney no applause for Bob crying ? anyone ? its too loud. Were is my ball. No but seriously. oh. ya he is the kinda guy that will ruin an orgy.

So much talent but it's wasted on bad delivery. I mean the punctuation is all wrong and there's even wrong words in there.

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i make big decisions.

i listen to other popular dance tracks in the genre. like on juno or soundlcoud

listen to the classics too. keep current but man are there some shitty mixes

Depending on what type of music, you can always try mixing it into another track you think represents the "loudness" level you're looking for.

I guess I don't trust software analysis, as visual waveforms won't tell you, and I'm suspect on what measurements are being made.

I admit to having no qualified experience in this regard. I have rejected the software I tried to do this with originally.

I like the concept however, seems efficient.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney listen to the classics too. keep current but man are there some shitty mixes

what are the classics?

95-2000

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney 95-2000

I'm confused what do u mean measure perceived loudness ? Isn't that a psychoaccoustic phenomina when you add compression or saturation for example to a signal adding some sort of effect but keeping the original db range ?

add something 10dB more intense sounds twice as loud. So something 20dB louder is 100 times more intense in terms of actual intensity but perceived as 4 times as loud.

Your ear is not linear or flat.

It's very simple: 0dBFS is your absolute ceiling, there is nothing more beyond that.
You can squeeze in all you like, but spillovers WILL be dealt with in unpleasant ways at the ceiling AND tracks start sounding really shitty beyond -5RMS 0dBFS scale

I tend to deliver most tracks around -9rms at the moment, though in Deephouse and Nu disco/dub techno more and more customers even start to prefer -12, go figure.......
IMHO is the loudness war over. There are some artifacts left in progressive beatport top 100 (vengeance / Pryda snare stuff) territory, but the more developed genres start to appreciate dynamics again. Which IMHO is a good thing.

I use Wavelab 8.5, but if you don't http://www.toneboosters.com/tb-ebuloudness/ is good metering too

Render from daw with a limiter shaving of 1dB or less a few times during the track then you should be good. Leave your master fader at unity though, that's your loudness and dynamics compas

it isn't always being triggered. Only catching a few peaks here and there.

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Originally posted by LoveHate I'm confused what do u mean measure perceived loudness ? Isn't that a psychoaccoustic phenomina when you add compression or saturation for example to a signal adding some sort of effect but keeping the original db range ?

You could have 2 tracks...first track measures -7db RMS and the second comes in at -10db RMS

Its possible that despite the first track being louder RMS wise that second track could actually sound louder to our ears than the first one

Its usually down to the mid-range content of the track and maybe how much space is in the track also

fletcher munson tells you all about our sensitivity curves

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