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Posted by Innocence Lost on Jan-19-2015 23:48:

Question for the Pro's (Levels determing and Setup)

When setting up your monitors and sound card do you set your speakers to 0db than adjust with your dac (interface)appropriately? or vice versa? or inbetween. Which is best for even balance?

Srry if its an easy one but its something I been pondering about and want to get right.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jan-20-2015 01:21:

Nope.

You calibrate monitors to a certain set level. Most pop/commercial music is made on calibrated systems to 14DBFS and score is usally -18DBFS, reason being that pop wants itself to be louder and score should have more dynamics.


Personally, I wish everyone with calibrate to at least -18DBFS and hecne why my fabulous tutorial form a few years back only tells you how to to calibrate to that:

http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...99#.VL2tPmTF9M4

The first part actually tells you what 0db actually means, then a tutorial tells you how to calibrate.


Posted by Innocence Lost on Jan-20-2015 01:25:

Thank you Rann, will look more into detail on that. I knew me ears were telling something is wrong.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jan-20-2015 01:32:

Anytime

Honestly, anyone with decent monitors should be calibrating their system, especailly so if you've got monitors like yours.


Posted by Innocence Lost on Jan-20-2015 03:09:

Hmm no wonder the standard consumer setup sounded better than mine at guitar center. I know some kind of sorcery was involved.


thanks again/


Posted by tehlord on Jan-20-2015 13:45:

I turn mine up when I want them louder and I turn them down when I want them quieter.

I didn't realise I was doing it wrong


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-20-2015 16:35:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
I turn mine up when I want them louder and I turn them down when I want them quieter.

I didn't realise I was doing it wrong

The only option now is to delete every single project file you have and start from scratch, since it's all been done wrong.


Posted by TranceLover007 on Jan-20-2015 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
The only option now is to delete every single project file you have and start from scratch, since it's all been done wrong.


F**k it, count me in - I knew something was wrong with all my tracks

Darek


Posted by Kthought on Jan-21-2015 04:41:

Careful deleting everything like that, it gets easier every time.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jan-21-2015 23:54:

Well, now that you know everything is wrong, you could always calibrate your system, the re-mix every track you ever wrote.

Shouldn't take too long


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jan-22-2015 20:46:

he meant -14dbfs

when you see positive dbfs, they meant dbu and it is usually +4 and it is a reference to 0dbfs and used because hardware and digital are a little different

these systems only really matter when music isn't the only thing that will be present in the final product. For a track, it is largely irrelevant.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-22-2015 23:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
these systems only really matter when music isn't the only thing that will be present in the final product. For a track, it is largely irrelevant.

Well, shit. I already deleted everything.


Posted by Kthought on Jan-22-2015 23:30:

told ya.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jan-23-2015 01:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
he meant -14dbfs



Thanks, and sorry for the typo palm, but you should have worked it out from the reference to -18dbfs in the first place

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
when you see positive dbfs, they meant dbu and it is usually +4 and it is a reference to 0dbfs and used because hardware and digital are a little different

these systems only really matter when music isn't the only thing that will be present in the final product. For a track, it is largely irrelevant.


Not quite actually. Nearly every digital mixer or control surface actually has positive DBFS range because (and kind of the entire point of the thread I earlier linked to) it is a figure of reference for the actual level of the signal, like a ratio is to quantities.

In fact most professional mixers or control surfaces with faders go to +12 dbfs. If they didn't, then you'd never be able to attenuate quieter sounds to relatively louder sounds.


Posted by Innocence Lost on Jan-23-2015 03:34:

Whats with this talk of project deleting and redoing,

LOL.


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jan-25-2015 02:46:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Thanks, and sorry for the typo palm, but you should have worked it out from the reference to -18dbfs in the first place



Not quite actually. Nearly every digital mixer or control surface actually has positive DBFS range because (and kind of the entire point of the thread I earlier linked to) it is a figure of reference for the actual level of the signal, like a ratio is to quantities.

In fact most professional mixers or control surfaces with faders go to +12 dbfs. If they didn't, then you'd never be able to attenuate quieter sounds to relatively louder sounds.


they have positive values but it wont say dbfs. At least the SSLs, the euphonix i'm pretty sure you were using go to 0. Anyways semantics. I suppose you meant numbers above aren't converted analog values which makes no sense.

but you can't go higher than 0. If you do, there are 10 acousticians that just got the black lung.


Posted by Innocence Lost on Jan-25-2015 07:32:

I don't intend to start a flame war so take this with grain of salt. I asked ran about my levels and recalibration with my soundcard and monitors. I was more comfortable with they everything sounded in windows for some reason and now after levels ran told me me to put, i re checked it and went back to apple logic and everything sounded transparent (compared to before) So i'm good now.



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