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Posted by Syntonic on Mar-02-2018 23:51:

Post your remastered/re-released tracks here...

Posted by Midlothian on Mar-03-2018 02:24:

Re: Post your remastered/re-released tracks here...

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Originally posted by Syntonic

Raff & Freddy - Deep Progress

https://www.beatport.com/release/deep-progress/2173116

Lemon8 - Lose Control

https://www.beatport.com/release/lose-control/1895654

I grabbed that Lemon8 recently. I wonder, though, what is the deal with it being a "re-release" on Basic Beat (which I don't believe is really active anymore?) The cat. no. BBBED30 presumably is for Basic Beat plus its original Bedrock cat. no BED 30. I expected the original release to be amongst the many other Bedrock releases up on Beatport.

Also wtf is the point of a re-release of the original mix of Deep Progress only, considering it was originally released on a CD EP and on a 12" (along w/ "The Voice") on Pschent back in '99 and with a bunch of remixes on Avantgarde in '00-'01? Although apparently that version now up on Beatport is 12:20 whereas the older releases listed on discogs are shorter.
Did you get it off Beatport? I assume it must be the old original mix.

Posted by Syntonic on Mar-04-2018 17:04:

Re: Re: Post your remastered/re-released tracks here...

Not sure how it got released on Basic Beat, but I was happy to find this track finally due to an error on this release which made me think the track was Fitalic - Synchronic.

https://www.discogs.com/John-Digwee...release/1727733

About the Raff n Freddy track, I plan on making a beatport purchase soon and will let you know how the versions differ. I also noticed the runtime is longer too.

Posted by Midlothian on Mar-05-2018 12:51:

Much appreciated - if it's a proper original version of the track my wish to get it might be stronger than my antipathy re the rerelease

Posted by Syntonic on Mar-12-2018 22:09:

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Originally posted by Midlothian
Much appreciated - if it's a proper original version of the track my wish to get it might be stronger than my antipathy re the rerelease

The 12 minute version I picked up has an intro and outro now. The older versions could have edited it out back in the day or could've been added on this release, who knows.

I would say it's the definitive version though.

Posted by Syntonic on Mar-12-2018 22:42:

Jamez Presents Tatoine ‎� Music

https://www.beatport.com/track/musi...al-mix/10281459

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Mar-13-2018 00:02:

There's quite a lot out there now, from some more obscure labels. I need to sit down and remember it all though.

Posted by Midlothian on Mar-13-2018 14:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Syntonic
The 12 minute version I picked up has an intro and outro now. The older versions could have edited it out back in the day or could've been added on this release, who knows.

I would say it's the definitive version though.

Thanks!

There's a different(?) release up on junodownload that has the 12min version and a 2018 remix by Raffen, on Toto Recordings (Manuscript being its parent label). I'm looking to ask Vincent Inc about what is the dealio here.

We're proper keeping TA alive here doing music investigations.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Apr-07-2018 16:20:

It really, really fucks me off that a lot of Bedrock's old catalogue is there, hanging tantalisingly in cyberspace before my eyes, but has been uploaded in ultra-quiet, useless mono. Fuck you, John Digweed.

Posted by Midlothian on Apr-07-2018 16:28:

Ah for fuck's sake. Glad I only bought one old BED release just a while ago, but that explains something... facepalm emoticon

Posted by Woony on Apr-07-2018 18:08:

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It really, really fucks me off that a lot of Bedrock's old catalogue is there, hanging tantalisingly in cyberspace before my eyes, but has been uploaded in ultra-quiet, useless mono. Fuck you, John Digweed.

A lot of older releases on Beatport that were uploaded in the mid 2000s are absolute garbage quality for whatever reason.

Posted by Syntonic on Apr-08-2018 02:15:

<a href="http://eatstatic.bandcamp.com/album/hybrid-ep">Hybrid EP by EAT STATIC</a>

Pretty nice lineup of names on this EP, but the PFM and Yum Yum remixes are the standouts for me.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Apr-09-2018 12:21:

I just found out today that Choo Choo seem to have put a lot of their catalogue online over at Juno Download: https://www.junodownload.com/labels/Choo+Choo

You can also find most of Distinctive, Hope, Whoop, Vapour, Basic Beat, Combined Forces, Baroque, Superfly, Plastica and quite a few other old labels on Beatport.

Posted by Midlothian on Apr-09-2018 13:10:

Thanks for pointing that out SJ - that's brilliant news after the BP Bedrock mono debacle the other day. That's going to be a basket full of Gilbey materials

Posted by Lews on Apr-09-2018 15:25:

I seem to recall that the quality of the Whoop releases was also highly disappointing, so buyer beware.

Posted by AlphaStarred on Apr-09-2018 16:06:

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You can also find most of Distinctive, Hope, Whoop, Vapour, Basic Beat, Combined Forces, Baroque, Superfly, Plastica and quite a few other old labels on Beatport.

The back catalogues of Bonzai Records, DiKi Records, Warp Records, Peacefrog Records, Soma Records, R&S Records and Djax-Up-Beats are also available, among other labels and artists. I should also warn that many of the older releases, especially on Djax-Up-Beats, are recorded pretty horribly - on the quiet side.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Apr-09-2018 16:44:

Yes, I Shazam'd something yesterday from a Silicone Soul set from 2001 and was surprised to see it ID'd. Turned out it was on Soma, and available on Beatport.

Let us also not forget the twin pillars of post-95 trance, Platipus and Hooj Choons, are both largely digitised, although some of the Hooj releases are in pretty poor quality. Andy Ling - Fixation is also in ultra-quiet mono, for reasons unknown. Was there some cowboy distribution company in the mid-00s that offered to do all this for these labels?

Posted by AlphaStarred on Apr-09-2018 16:58:

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Andy Ling - Fixation is also in ultra-quiet mono, for reasons unknown.

Just last week or so I wanted to purchase the Silvio Ecomo remix and noticed this very problem, which dissuaded me from purchasing. Are some of these recordings actually recorded in mono, or are they just on the quiet side? It's a shame, either way.

Posted by Syntonic on Apr-10-2018 02:14:

Would also recommend going through Deep Records catalogue.

https://www.beatport.com/label/deep-records/5149

Posted by Woony on Apr-10-2018 10:54:

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Was there some cowboy distribution company in the mid-00s that offered to do all this for these labels?

Probably, a lot of older labels were kind of hesitant to get into digital at first. Having some else do the back catalogue probably made it more comfortable for labels. It also seems like most of these old Beatport back catalogues are sourced from vinyl because either they were too lazy to get the DATs or they got lost. Ripping from vinyl is a fickle beast, it's very easy to get crappy results if you don't pay attention to the gear. It can sound great but requires audiophile gear (the usual DJ setup of technics turntable, pioneer/xone mixer and shure/ortofon stylus is mediocre for ripping), attention to the recording process and maybe some post-editing. All of which these "cowboys" probably didn't do. If they did source from DAT (digital tape, the standard recording medium for electronic music until DAWs became popular, which is pretty pristine as far as reproduction goes) there had to besome monumental fuckup along the way, probably some intern that didn't notice that he had the mono switch engaged and was recording at -15db

Posted by Midlothian on Apr-10-2018 11:25:

Am I to expect the exact same problems over at e.g. junodownload?

Posted by Syntonic on May-11-2018 21:20:

DJ Nukem - Music Play

https://www.beatport.com/release/music-play/2208361

Originally released in 2002, comes with a 2018 mix and some remixes. Don't really care for them though.

2002 mix ftw

Posted by Midlothian on May-18-2018 08:37:

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Originally posted by Woony
Probably, a lot of older labels were kind of hesitant to get into digital at first.

I wanted to get a digital copy of an epic unicorn release from back in the day (https://www.discogs.com/Tony-Walker...y/master/189478) only to find that apparently a big player like Tsunami / Purple Eye isn't even on the Beatports and Junoes? Wtf am I supposed to get the music I want to pay for. I will get a 12" copy hopefully sometime soon but it shouldn't be strange in 20 fucking 18 to want to get a high-quality digital copy...

Posted by the-sixth on May-18-2018 12:07:

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Originally posted by Woony
(the usual DJ setup of technics turntable, pioneer/xone mixer and shure/ortofon stylus is mediocre for ripping)

I have to disagree. After 20 years of ripping in my personal experience the most important thing in any rip is the vinyl itself. Then the stylus. Maybe you could make a case for your A2D converter and soundcard. Processing in something like iZotope RX 5 essential also. After that I would argue your gains in sound are down to the individual listener.

I have spent a fortune on some real snake oil crap. You read the reviews with all the big words and fancy language and think this is the thing that will transform my records. No. No it wont. Buying a MINT copy of the record will. Having a stylus that can scoop up all detail will.

The only other addition I would recommend which yields real improvements is an ultrasonic cleaner. It can bring records back from the dead. I have before and after samples I can post as an example from a test pressigng of Atlantis Fiji from 1998.

Fiji Break Before

Fiji Break After

On the stores themselves:

I have emailed both beatport and Juno several times for a refund and I check every purchase with spek to see if there is a frequency cut off on their wav (thus pointing to a re-encoded mp3). One of a few tools I use.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on May-18-2018 12:16:

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Originally posted by Midlothian
Am I to expect the exact same problems over at e.g. junodownload?

I've bought a couple of things from Juno down the years that aren't on Beatport and the quality isn't always great. It's more down to the label than the digital store though. If it sounds crap in the preview sample, it will sound much the same when you buy the file.

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