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what do you think about ai generated music going forward?

and how does it affect you, or the circles it releases in.


is it ai? or some large language model, whatever.


the quality is accelerating greatly, when will it match or generate something extremely worthy, im not sure.

is it similar to the beatsync button controversy when it appeared only to be accepted in eventuality. will it give rise to people who only dreamed of producing a piece of music, now doing it effortlessly?



ultimately will it have no affect for small circles and niches of gathering, perhaps create some more technocratic circles to displace the displeased? will live-acts seem more interesting?

do you care? what if it generates something that makes you happy, but a human didn't make it, do you care? do you care enough to have a piece of music verified to not be ai?

do you have an example?

In music that's more meant to "serve a purpose" (well yes, arguably all music serves a purpose), like dance music, I feel like it won't matter to many people. In dance music it's 50/50 for me too. I don't feel as invested in dance music as I used to, so I don't care as much as I did before, although on a general level I quite strongly oppose the whole idea of AI-generated music. I can't even imagine how little the average music consumer cares. There are loads of people to whom the artist might as well be a neural network churning out an endless stream of their favorite genre, and they'd be fine with it. They just simply wouldn't notice. If music is simply a utility to you, why would you care?

In my favorite genres, ambient and many subgenres of metal, I care much more. It's quite normal for me to "research" an artist and possibly their views for hours on end. That would obviously be quite a different thing in e.g. AI-generated black metal. One of the main tropes of the whole subgenre is misanthropy, but I can kind of feel that for at least 95% of BM listeners the music has to be human-made.

To me music, and all art, is about human expression. I tend to look at the person behind the art right after the art itself. Art is, and I hope will continue to be, an extension of the human(s) behind it.

in a way its not fair to knock the technology advancement, people have been making music based on programming languages for decades, what is another layer? It is quite impressive what programmers can do.

at the end of the day, music is made to be enjoyed and ultimately its up to the enjoyer to decide as such. Its just interesting to try to forecast cultural implications if there even are any.

I don't know. I don't like it. I hope the BM scene will see its first murder in a while after some doofus tries to enter the scene with a Suno production.

I think eventually it will be illegal to hate on anything AI//LLM related. the money is there. you will be sent to the gulag or stripped of your remaining humanity.

i heard some pop trash the other day. it was utter shit you hear on tiktoks.

I maintain it's this era's muzak: cheap imitation knock-off music intended for consumption of those who only listen to music as background fodder.

my opinion is that of Jermaine Dupri's

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Originally posted by JEO To me music, and all art, is about human expression. I tend to look at the person behind the art right after the art itself. Art is, and I hope will continue to be, an extension of the human(s) behind it.

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Originally posted by JEO Art is, and I hope will continue to be, an extension of the human(s) behind it.

Irony being that AI "art" is precisely that - an extension of the hoomans behind it.

This isn't directed at you, but I am so fucking weary of hearing about AI, AI, AI. I was at a work event last week and all every stiff in a suit talked about was about how AI is imminently going to change every aspect of what we do for the better and we should all embrace it.

We've been living in this AI era for almost three years now and all AI has really done is flood the Internet with some stupid images and lots of cookie-cutter chirpy social media posts. If it's going to change the world for the better, it needs to get the fuck on with it, because at the moment nothing has really happened and investors are already starting to notice that the economic outputs aren't matching the levels of funding.

It's the same with music. AI is going to change how we make and listen to music forever? Get on with it, then. Show me the results that aren't sat in the uncanny valley of blandness.

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Originally posted by Swamper 100%

what does that quote mean to you specifically im just wondering. when im reading the quote it seems open to interpretation.

extension of a human, what does that mean to you, and how does it relate to creating music, I wonder how you yourself are breaking it down. how it differs to what I'd break down that quote to.

sorry if I seem if im targeting you, my brain feels numb atm.

Some fun facts from Deezer, who have an AI-detection programme that they claim has a 99.8% accuracy rating:

• 28% of all music now uploaded to Deezer is AI generated.
  
• That 28% accumulates just 0.5% of all the streams on Deezer.
  
• Up to 70% of those 0.5% of streams are fraudulent - IE: bots streaming bot-generated music to try to generate royalty payments.
  

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Originally posted by Midlothian Irony being that AI "art" is precisely that - an extension of the hoomans behind it.

I guess AI is not the death of human art, only the artist.

Really, my position of "no AI art" is quite indefensible. There's no logic to it, but I don't have a problem trying to defend it anyway. I'll continue to discourage AI use in all forms of art, even if my only argument is that I will shut my eyes and ears from anything I know is AI-generated. Maybe even AI dance music.

Years ago a younger coworker of mine asked me if I've considered eating our cats after they die. I replied negatively, and immediately from a neighboring cubicle a chorus of weird, faux-utilitarian disposable economic units chimed in about hypocrisy, totem-animals, optimization, yak yak. These guys are giddy about the possibilities of AI music. The current abundance of music is not enough for some. I've never been closer to ditching the whole software world and becoming a storage worker again.

(And when I mention AI, I specifically mean generative AI, not simple machine learning tools.)

In the USA, an AI generated song has now topped the country music charts. Granted, it is the USA, and it is country music.

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Originally posted by Hyperborean In the USA, an AI generated song has now topped the country music charts. Granted, it is the USA, and it is country music.

Nashville country music is already some of the most canned, assembly-line mass produced generic genres in existence. That a computer could easily replicate and chart it is entirely expected.

Incidentally, I'm glad that, though not outright banning it, Deezer's at least making efforts to let listeners know what is A.I. on their streaming services, unlike some of the other major platforms who seem to do all they can to actively promote the slop. Gives me some peace that I made the right choice switching to them after ditching Spotify.

I think that majority of the people dont really care how the music they consume is done. Same as with ultra processed food. For them music produced from a 3 sentence suno prompt gets the job done and helps them through the day.

For me, I couldnt be bothered to listen to such slop. I think I need a human being at the controls to make the creative decisions and make the small mistakes that make music interesting. Im totally fine with using AI tools in music production as long as its done by a human producer with a sense of direction. As soon as a machine takes that role over, I suddenly stop caring about the sound.

I think its a bit like the first few times when I saw well created AI images depicting interesting or funny scenes and I felt excited about it, but nowadays I really dont care. The same with excessive CGI action in movies. Superhero action scenes are about as interesting as watching paint dry. Or closer to our scene, back in the day I was super excited about beatmatching music and I revered dj's that could hold a transition for minutes. Nowadays with sync, the skill is obsolete, I really dont care how long the transition is as long as it makes musically sense and takes the set somewhere, which is a totally different (artistic) skill than the (purely mechanical) skill of beatmaching.

Im pretty sure that in the future AI produced music will reach a point where I cant tell by listening alone, but I will figure out what to do once that happens.

good analogy on processed foods, seems very applicable.
I guess im starting to think about the dehumanization of art and media consumption in general but, art and media have always been getting more automated. I guess its the potential length of leap is what is significant. to what extent is it dehumanizing culture, or is it at all?
idk ill think about it a bit more, I only have so many brain cells left.

AI music is shit. Writing is not.

I'm an editor and use AI writing. When I write, I think of my work as so much more inferior. Weird perspective thing or something. I know my writing isn't bad, but AI's is so good. Especially when it comes to simple shit with the right prompts I feed it. And so fast.

Music, meh. Everything I've heard so far just doesn't do it for me.

I'll always carry a novel around in my mind. Prob work on it soon with what's happening. AI can't touch that form of writing yet. I'm def thinking how to pivot and fast.

How can a man capable of such elegant formulations as "so much more inferior" have anything to fear?

Sounds good in a rap though.

On that note

Fuck AI music

Man, I have around 100 CDs of rap sitting behind me in a shit Ikea shelf, just rotting away. If I promised it'll make your writing even better, would you be willing to buy the collection for 500 euros? I'll mail it to you. You're a millionaire. Please, just buy it all. Each record has been played once or twice (if ripping one counts as playing).

Also, post your favorite non-afrofuturist, non-five-percenter, non-black-supremacist, normal-people rap music for me to hear.





(I hear this guy's from Toronto.)

Rap was the biggest thing to me as a kid, but I've put no thought as to how AI will affect rap. Not that there's much rap I'd listen to nowadays anyway, but I genuinely can't even start to guess whether I'd like AI-rap, and I will NOT Google it. Has anyone been brave enough to try?

Anything to make my writing more better.

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