*** Maybe strange for all the viewers of this topic, but I have heard recently that all the remixes which Tijs Verwest did produced under his name from 1998 till spring 2005 has been engineerd by Dennis Waakop Reijers and Hans Willem Mallon.

All the (re)mixes, yes inclusive Silence, Surreal, more than 68 remixes and all his 3 artist albums have been remixed and produced and engineerd by those two guys,

Tiesto only paid the bills............................. eureka! idea

Please correct my if I am wrong, but Tiesto ever made any remix himself from 1998 till 2005, due to his schedule of touring, he has not much time for producing anything, keeps the fact that he is a briljant DJ and very good preformer ***

Those two former friends, who made music together for more than 10 years, have now been separated, due to some major problems about the production credits of all the tracks, which they claimed all about having the production credits for themself. whistling

How this has happens, I can't tell you, because I don't know, I only can tell here what I've heard recently
angry smilie
If you will compare the sound from those two producers, you can listen to the track binary star, release Black Hole recordings (99), composed and arranged and produced by those two brilliant producers, who did have done all the heavy work of mixing, producing and mainly all parts of tiesto's artist albums ***


I don't know who engineers the majority of Tiesto tracks. I know someone who does, but they wont tell me.

*** I would like to know, who has told you, because what I have heard from inside BH Recordings, that it is a very hugh secret that has to be kept under any circumstances *** holy smilie


I think some of the recent stuff, for example the Parade of the Athletes album, had a strong influence from Montana, and I know Cor Fijneman engineered for Tijs on Sparkles and Theme From Norfjell but I really don't think either of those guys are good enough producers to have made the likes of the Silence remix, the Surreal/Goldenscan remixes etc... Those tracks really are the work of a fabulous engineer.

*** Recent stuff ?? sleepy, the complete shit has been recorded in the early months of 2004, so even Adagio for Strings is very good but ancient as my grand Pa's chair.... shy .

As I mentioned above, neither Cor Fijneman or Montana did have anything to do with the productions all over the years, Fijneman did work together till spring 2005, with or Dennis or Hw for his own career, but I am not shure, even Ronald van Gelderen did nothing more then delivering the remix parts, but due to the fact that the remix was better than the original, Tiesto kept the remix for his own work. cheers Montana has been out of sight since ........... lol blahblah

Also there has been produced a vocal (re)mix of Urban Train, vocals supported by Kirshty H, the've changed the name of the track, she originaly sung, Urban Train and not (S)uburban Train... , after this disput, the've skipped the vocals and leave the melody for the main theme, very innovated................. sad smilie ***

well, as i said.. geert huinink is my guess. He (and alco lammers) are behind Photon Project.. and Enlightnemnt and illumination are both powerful tracks so they sure know how to make powerful music

*** Geert Huinink and Alco Lammers, have been never ( seriously ) nerdy involved with the prodcution of the (re)mixes under the name DJ Tiesto,....during the working progress which have been recorded on the commercial CD's or DVD's.

They have released some remixes for Magic Music, but all very poor of innovation and they never reached the level of quality of it's original from DJ tiesto, in other words, the Hammond brothers are nice, but far from the quality from those two guys I mentioned before..... nerdy

The reason that Geert Huinink has some composing credits, is that he provided Tiesto with some well known classical compositions, like e.g Bach, Rachmaninov and Mozart all those elements has been constructed in the songs those two guys produced for Tiesto in the year 2004.

In Tiesto's mind of view, Geert Huinink is capable of reproducing classical theme's and playing the first two strokes of my first piano player..........

Mostly all those tracks has been used on the album, parade of the athletes and for the tracks like e.g., Forever today, listen careful to the compositions and you will notify all different classical influences, nice but composed by anyone, than those classical composers from the past. *** cool wow

HAHA!

for the record, Hw mallon was one of the producers (along with Dennis Reijers) who was responsible for Tijs' production success in '98-04

Let the great TA summerslam begin

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Originally posted by Col However, EDM seems to be political for some people - it's not about the music itself but it's about what the music symbolises, where the music came from, who spins it and how obscure it is.

lol

i'd like to see someone defend tiesto intelligently. but not by slinging mud at Mallon.

(EddieZilker?)

let the rage out

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Originally posted by pozz i'd like to see someone defend tiesto intelligently. but not by slinging mud at Mallon. (EddieZilker?)

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough to speak in his defense or for that matter, against him. I've been reading little bits of ghost-producer-gossip surrounding Tiesto (& Oakenfold & Armin & SHM & et al) for a very long time but I've never really been convinced A) that it was that big of a deal and B) how much of a part ghost-production played in the end result. (If B=100%, see A.) I can't even be sure to what degree Tiesto's actually been "owned". (Is there really that much "bad blood" or is it just friendly jest?) I've also never been a huge fan of his, but not because I actively dislike him.

Tiesto is first and foremost, a performer. He got his start DJ'ing and the production aspect to his career is secondary. He's not an anomaly, either. It seems to be a part of the now standard marketing practices of the industry; the commodification of the performer regardless of artistic integrity. (Again, See A.)

If I can say anything that comes close to anyone's defense it is that I genuinely dislike these threads where the sole purpose is to slam a performer/DJ/Producer because of some tidbit of salacious gossip. While the tweet seems to rank on Tiesto for his lack of ability and unseemly lifestyle choices, it's small potatoes when you start looking at how the whole of the industry functions. Even that can only be discerned in small glimpses.

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my old stuff, not quite up to snuff - but I still dig it - UPDATED 9/23/2012

right on.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker

You're better than frostdude, LOL.

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Originally posted by Col However, EDM seems to be political for some people - it's not about the music itself but it's about what the music symbolises, where the music came from, who spins it and how obscure it is.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough to speak in his defense or for that matter, against him. I've been reading little bits of ghost-producer-gossip surrounding Tiesto (& Oakenfold & Armin & SHM & et al) for a very long time but I've never really been convinced A) that it was that big of a deal and B) how much of a part ghost-production played in the end result. (If B=100%, see A.) I can't even be sure to what degree Tiesto's actually been "owned". (Is there really that much "bad blood" or is it just friendly jest?) I've also never been a huge fan of his, but not because I actively dislike him. Tiesto is first and foremost, a performer. He got his start DJ'ing and the production aspect to his career is secondary. He's not an anomaly, either. It seems to be a part of the now standard marketing practices of the industry; the commodification of the performer regardless of artistic integrity. (Again, See A.) If I can say anything that comes close to anyone's defense it is that I genuinely dislike these threads where the sole purpose is to slam a performer/DJ/Producer because of some tidbit of salacious gossip. While the tweet seems to rank on Tiesto for his lack of ability and unseemly lifestyle choices, it's small potatoes when you start looking at how the whole of the industry functions. Even that can only be discerned in small glimpses.

WTF? This guy serious?

You should be glad Tiesto got slammed by that remark. How would you feel if you were once glorious for what you were doing... making great Trance, and setting a foundation that was never reached before, and (probably) never reached again? And then, all of a sudden, as soon as you hit fame, you chose to drink 8 shots of scotch, have your dog lick your ass while you make noises and vomit on your casio, sample it, sell that nasty sorry ass excuse of music on the mainstream, and believe that any of those f*ckers (like you) still buy it?

Anyways, I'm glad he got hit with that remark. Really though, what he is doing is really unacceptable. How can he come from releasing tracks like Suburban Train... to cheesy ass tracks like "Escape Me" ? I don't get it... was he pretending to like his tracks back in 98-02 ? I mean, if he used to create solid, productive, and high quality Trance tracks, how can he not notice the cookie cutter shit he has been releasing? Whatever, we'll never know. Silly Tijs.

On a side note, about H.W. Mallon... what specifically was he responsible for Tiesto's success? Was it sound engineering? Creating tracks? Just curious. Not poking here.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose On a side note, about H.W. Mallon... what specifically was he responsible for Tiesto's success? Was it sound engineering? Creating tracks? Just curious. Not poking here.

He was working heavily with Dennis Reijers-Fraaj during '98-04, and the duo is 99.9% responsible for tracks like "Silence" remix, Flight 643, Lethal Industry and pretty much every successful track under the "DJ/Tiesto" brand.
They're not working together anymore, but I got information that Waakop-Reijers is still in 'da house' making crap tracks with/for Tiesto.

read this

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Originally posted by Col However, EDM seems to be political for some people - it's not about the music itself but it's about what the music symbolises, where the music came from, who spins it and how obscure it is.

So HW Willem and Waakop-Reijers were probably responsible for:

Flesh
Sunrise (Goldenscan)
Willow (Aria)

??

I know Geert must have been behind the classical intro of Willow though.

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*** Maybe strange for all the viewers of this topic, but I have heard recently that all the remixes which Tijs Verwest did produced under his name from 1998 till spring 2005 has been engineerd by Dennis Waakop Reijers and Hans Willem Mallon. All the (re)mixes, yes inclusive Silence, Surreal, more than 68 remixes and all his 3 artist albums have been remixed and produced and engineerd by those two guys, Tiesto only paid the bills............................. eureka! idea Please correct my if I am wrong, but Tiesto ever made any remix himself from 1998 till 2005, due to his schedule of touring, he has not much time for producing anything, keeps the fact that he is a briljant DJ and very good preformer *** Those two former friends, who made music together for more than 10 years, have now been separated, due to some major problems about the production credits of all the tracks, which they claimed all about having the production credits for themself. whistling How this has happens, I can't tell you, because I don't know, I only can tell here what I've heard recently angry smilie If you will compare the sound from those two producers, you can listen to the track binary star, release Black Hole recordings (99), composed and arranged and produced by those two brilliant producers, who did have done all the heavy work of mixing, producing and mainly all parts of tiesto's artist albums *** I don't know who engineers the majority of Tiesto tracks. I know someone who does, but they wont tell me. *** I would like to know, who has told you, because what I have heard from inside BH Recordings, that it is a very hugh secret that has to be kept under any circumstances *** holy smilie I think some of the recent stuff, for example the Parade of the Athletes album, had a strong influence from Montana, and I know Cor Fijneman engineered for Tijs on Sparkles and Theme From Norfjell but I really don't think either of those guys are good enough producers to have made the likes of the Silence remix, the Surreal/Goldenscan remixes etc... Those tracks really are the work of a fabulous engineer. *** Recent stuff ?? sleepy, the complete shit has been recorded in the early months of 2004, so even Adagio for Strings is very good but ancient as my grand Pa's chair.... shy . As I mentioned above, neither Cor Fijneman or Montana did have anything to do with the productions all over the years, Fijneman did work together till spring 2005, with or Dennis or Hw for his own career, but I am not shure, even Ronald van Gelderen did nothing more then delivering the remix parts, but due to the fact that the remix was better than the original, Tiesto kept the remix for his own work. cheers Montana has been out of sight since ........... lol blahblah Also there has been produced a vocal (re)mix of Urban Train, vocals supported by Kirshty H, the've changed the name of the track, she originaly sung, Urban Train and not (S)uburban Train... , after this disput, the've skipped the vocals and leave the melody for the main theme, very innovated................. sad smilie *** well, as i said.. geert huinink is my guess. He (and alco lammers) are behind Photon Project.. and Enlightnemnt and illumination are both powerful tracks so they sure know how to make powerful music *** Geert Huinink and Alco Lammers, have been never ( seriously ) nerdy involved with the prodcution of the (re)mixes under the name DJ Tiesto,....during the working progress which have been recorded on the commercial CD's or DVD's. They have released some remixes for Magic Music, but all very poor of innovation and they never reached the level of quality of it's original from DJ tiesto, in other words, the Hammond brothers are nice, but far from the quality from those two guys I mentioned before..... nerdy The reason that Geert Huinink has some composing credits, is that he provided Tiesto with some well known classical compositions, like e.g Bach, Rachmaninov and Mozart all those elements has been constructed in the songs those two guys produced for Tiesto in the year 2004. In Tiesto's mind of view, Geert Huinink is capable of reproducing classical theme's and playing the first two strokes of my first piano player.......... Mostly all those tracks has been used on the album, parade of the athletes and for the tracks like e.g., Forever today, listen careful to the compositions and you will notify all different classical influences, nice but composed by anyone, than those classical composers from the past. *** cool wow

For nut brains

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose So HW Willem and Waakop-Reijers were probably responsible for: Flesh Sunrise (Goldenscan) Willow (Aria) ?? I know Geert must have been behind the classical intro of Willow though.

That is correct, they are 100% responsible for those tunes. @Rodri Santos has sorted out the essentials from t.nu thread, but there's still some info there

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Originally posted by Col However, EDM seems to be political for some people - it's not about the music itself but it's about what the music symbolises, where the music came from, who spins it and how obscure it is.