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dannyc
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cubase sx problems pulling my hair out please help???

hi guys i'm just getting into using cubase sx lately. and i keep getting this annoying problem. every time i load up a vst for example atmosphere as soon as i press play i get this static sound going on over the midi pads. its basically crackling static so i press stop. then second time i play it, it tends to be gone. but with some of the patches i choose in the vst the static sound remains no matter how many times i stop and start. anyone know what this is due too?? please explain in detail if its to do with settings or something.

i recently upgraded my RAM from 256 to 768RAM because i was getting this problem with 256 but its still there.

another major problem is i have a number of audio files in a project which i imported from a song in reason. i wanted to master each individual track in cubase so i converted them to audio. there is about 40 tracks in total i've tried to play a few so far but i keep getting delays and skipping and evenually no sound. does this mean my computer cant handle this many audio tracks at once, how much RAM would i need in that case, or is it some other problem i'm missing. has anyone else tried to play this amount of audio files in cubase sx at once??? is it possible??

please help i've been dying to finish my next track for 2weeks now and i cant because of these problems.

my computer is 2.5Ghz, 40G harddrive with as i said 768RAM.

Old Post Oct-05-2004 15:38  Ireland
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which ASIO driver are u using? (I would recommend the FULL DUPLEX driver) check ur soundcard settings... and, check the CPU meter in Cubase..


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dannyc
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yes thats the one i'm using asio full duplex. do i check cpu in cubase by using task manager, what should i look for??

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DJDIRTY
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What audio card are You using? It looks like it's an audio card problem, not the ram, casue you have plenty. Have you tried adjusting the latency of your audio card? Stuff that you complain about ussually happens when the audio card can't keep up with the audio in cubase, and that's when the delay, skipping, and noise comes from... Check the asio driver for your card, download latest drivers..

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Dj Thy
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quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
which ASIO driver are u using? (I would recommend the FULL DUPLEX driver) check ur soundcard settings... and, check the CPU meter in Cubase..


Depends what soundcard you have. If you have a decent soundcard with dedicated ASIO drivers you should choose those drivers. Typically they'll be shown as ASIO "name or model of the audio device"

Soundcards which don't have dedicated ASIO will use ASIO wrappers, first the DirectX one (DirectX full duplex) and if that fails, the MME one.

There are basically two things : cpu consumption and hard drive speed.
With lots of software synths/effects and low latency, you'll likely to max out your cpu. With lots of audio tracks, it's very much possible that your harddisk can't keep up (any modern harddisk is generally believed to be able to cope with 40+ tracks (this means continuous data), but that's far from the truth.

There is a dedicated meter in Cubase to check this (although it isn't 100% accurate, it'll basically show you the main problems).
One bargraph will show the cpu power you are using, the other the harddisk throughput. For the harddisk one, it's ok to shortly peak in the red when playing from a stop, but it should remain in the green when playing continuously. If it even goes slightly in the red on continuous play, it means your harddrives are maxed out.

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Re: cubase sx problems pulling my hair out please help???

quote:
Originally posted by dannyc
hi guys i'm just getting into using cubase sx lately. and i keep getting this annoying problem. every time i load up a vst for example atmosphere as soon as i press play i get this static sound going on over the midi pads. its basically crackling static so i press stop. then second time i play it, it tends to be gone. but with some of the patches i choose in the vst the static sound remains no matter how many times i stop and start. anyone know what this is due too?? please explain in detail if its to do with settings or something.

i recently upgraded my RAM from 256 to 768RAM because i was getting this problem with 256 but its still there.



This sounds like your sound card latency is too low

Go to device settings, VST setup...make sure your using the asio drivers and click on 'control panel' underneath. Check the latency

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Timothy
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Increase the buffersize

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dannyc
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ok i've moved number of buffers up to maximum of 12 and increased the buffer size up to max of 256. still getting same problem.
under control panel i dont know what i'm suppose to be changing all i can see is device name: soundmax digital audio and ia list of figures beside it including buffer size (samples) but no drop-down menu what am i suppose to change in here and to what??? for th asio driver menu i choose asio directx full duplex. is this my soundcard??

where do i check my soundcard and soundcard settings outside of cubase, i think this is where the problem is since i've tried everything in cubase????

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Yeah, buffer underrun will give you that staticky sound. CPU overload will also make that sound on the VST instrument.

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for the VST problem: you might wanna try setting "old host behaviour" for this plugin.

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Dj Thy
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quote:
Originally posted by dannyc
ok i've moved number of buffers up to maximum of 12 and increased the buffer size up to max of 256. still getting same problem.
under control panel i dont know what i'm suppose to be changing all i can see is device name: soundmax digital audio and ia list of figures beside it including buffer size (samples) but no drop-down menu what am i suppose to change in here and to what??? for th asio driver menu i choose asio directx full duplex. is this my soundcard??

where do i check my soundcard and soundcard settings outside of cubase, i think this is where the problem is since i've tried everything in cubase????


Hmm this sounds to me you are changing the buffers that you find in the VST Multitrack window in SX. Am I right (default was 4 buffers of 128 kb, if it's the settings I refer to). If yes, these are not the soundcard buffers, but disk buffers, and they are indeed not likely to solve the problem much.

Usually the buffers in question have to be set in the control panel of the soundcard itself (which you can bring up with the Control Panel button in that VST Multitrack window). It's possible that the buffers settings are locked as long as a program is using it, so you might try going to that control panel without having SX run in the background. How to access the control panel here depends on your soundcard. Some have a little icon in the system tray. Probably you'll find an instance of it in the start menu or the windows control panel...

But now that I think of it, I see you state a Soundmax soundcard. Again, if I'm not mistaken, these are some of the soundchips used on motherboards. Is it possible your "soundcard" is an integrated one on your motherboard?
Those devices usually don't have dedicated ASIO drivers (and like I said the ASIO DirectX Full Duplex one isn't the best). But no worry, some people have programmed generic ASIO drivers, which a lot of users are pretty happy with. They give low latency and low cpu consumption for most soundcards on the market.

Here are two of them:
http://www.asio4all.com/
http://www.asio2ks.com/

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dannyc
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thanx dj thy you the man

i think you nailed it basically. they were the 2 problems indeed. my friend in college said i should up-grade my sound card to a creative labs sound blaster audigy 2 for example, as the one i have is built into motherboard and is not very good. so i'm gonna purchase one of those soon.

i downloaded that asio4all driver, i've only tried it with 1 audio track so far but it worked beautifully, hopefully it be the same for all 40 audio tracks i'm trying to playback at once, then i may not even need new soundcard.

thanks again dj thy

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