I would not discount the use of 1210s just yet, there is a resurgence going on in the vinyl industry, its coming back and with Pioneer having brought out the PLX 1000,



Clubs and DJs are actually investing in vinyl and vinyl decks again, my local club has just installed 2 of the PLX 1000's and I am seriously thinking of getting a pair to.

As far as I know there is no news of Pioneer releasing a new CDJ unit to replace the CDJ 2000 Nexus, but why do you need a 2000 when a 900 Nexus is almost as good for a lot less money?
Save some money on the 2000's and get the 900s, add a few quid to that saved money and get a DJM 900 Nexus mixer and that's money well spent!
The 900s still hook up to serato / traktor / rekordbox with no problem, they play from usb / mem sticks and also play audio cd/dvd - data cd/dvd.


If going totally digital then as far as I am concerned there are 2 options, the new Pioneer XDJ-RX



or the Native Instruments Traktor S8



2 very different systems of digital controller but both small enough and portable enough to take to a club, the main difference in the two is that you still need a laptop with the S8 but I believe you can use the pioneer unit as stand alone (reading files of a mem / usb stick)

I would totally ignore the Pioneer XDJ 1000, waste of time and money in my opinion.

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To be honest I've never used a CDJ but I like the idea of a separate unit that plugs into a mixer, as opposed to the whole thing combined.

Have to say I'm shocked about vinyl! As I said I've been off doing other things for the last ten years, I thought the two tonnes of vinyl packed away in my attic would never see the light of day again.

awesome ive been looking everywhere for exactly two tons of vinyl to sample

What kinds of records do you have, out of curiosity?

Also, I'd suggest even going one model below and getting the 850s. No link and a more basic screen but it does everything else just as well.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.

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Originally posted by henke To be honest I've never used a CDJ but I like the idea of a separate unit that plugs into a mixer, as opposed to the whole thing combined. Have to say I'm shocked about vinyl! As I said I've been off doing other things for the last ten years, I thought the two tonnes of vinyl packed away in my attic would never see the light of day again.

Just to point out, that the two combined units are digital only, the Pioneer XDJ-RX and NI S8 do not take cd/dvd however both have additional phono inputs at the rear so you can plug either CDJs or vinyl decks into them and use the mixer section on the controller to mix between those decks (cdj/vinyl) and the built in digital decks.

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Thanks for the input guys it's much appreciated. And it's clear a lot more thought and research is needed before I jump in.

And my vinyl... I started buying house in '96 although I didn't have anything to play them on for a couple of years. By that time trance had taken over my life and every spare £ went on vinyl for about the next 6 or 7 years. There's some hard house, quite a bit of global underground style prog house and even some old school rave tunes. Maybe 8-10,000 records in all but I've never counted.

Don't get me wrong I probably only a paid for about half of them but at maybe £6 a go it was a lot of money for what was essentially worthless (to anyone else) a few years later. The other half were given to me, mostly promo stuff sent out to friends on mailing lists.

And when I said two tonnes I was only partly joking. I had these stackable boxes made from mdf at one point, sixty of them taking up much of one wall in the dining room of my old house. Each box held around 140 records and they were sturdy as hell too, but I heard the floor groaning one day and had to redistribute the weight.

Anyways, I've just had a good read of the Beatport thread and I'm about to open an account!

Welcome back Henke!

Tbh, Vinyl is killing off CDJ's again (go figure). Soon, there won't be CD drives in er, CDJ's, they will all be technically UDJ's (USB DJ's).

But there's really not point buying the 850/900/2000's if you already have that vinyl.

Just get a Digital Vinyl System like serato or traktor for about £400 and that means you can play all your new digital tracks via your technics and your own vinyl at the same time.

The only downside is that you need some kind of computer to cue up the track but other than that, it's rock solid.

Most clubs I know have Turntables as an option (if not the primary option) but don't rush out and buy those silly Pioneer decks; there's basically no difference between them and Technics apart from a lisghtly heavier base, some vibration technology (neither of which have been proven to make any difference as yet) and a toy looking round pioneer button instead of the square technics start stop button.

If you've got techs, you have to be a muppet to swap them for the pioneer kockoffs

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Originally posted by DJ RANN If you've got techs, you have to be a muppet to swap them for the pioneer kockoffs

I agree, if you have a pair of Technics, then no way should you get the Pioneer PLX 1000s

They may be a 'knock off' but the Pioneers are incredibly good decks, I have used them a few times at my local club and they feel just like the Techs of old, the toy round button is of course there to help distinguish it as a Pioneer Deck as of course their CDJs use the round button.
I like the fact that they now have connections at the back for power and phono instead of the Techs of old which were of course hardwired into the depths of the deck making replacing them a pain in the arse.
The small updates to the deck are good updates.

Even though I still have a Technics 1210 M3D kicking about (I sold one of the pair when vinyl took a backwards step and kept one for playing/ripping my numerous vinyl collection) I am still interested in buying a pair of the Pioneer Decks for my home set up

Note - I am currently refurbing my 1210 M3D as it got into quite a sorry state over the years of dragging the pair of them from club to house parites to home to the club etc etc, I may even do a separate thread in here for it.

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Yeah, I know the Pioneers are decent decks deep down; they basically bought the parts / patents from Technics so they are really just technics with a couple of changes. I get they changed the button to the same one, so as to not have to manage a different part for the button across their devices.

I don't quite get what all the fuss is all about for having connections at the back though; Sure, if you're lugging them to clubs every weekend or you're a sound and light rental place, it's a welcome change but I haven't plugged/unplugged my MK5G's more than 10 times in 7 years. It would make absolutely no difference to me.

If you need help with the refurb of the M3D, please feel free to hit me up; I used to be a Technics qualified service engineer and I fully serviced my own M3D's back in the early 00's before I flogged them to leave for the states.