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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If you don't believe in God it's bullshit by default, but even if you do believe in God it's complete bullshit. Have you not lived on this planet for long enough to realise that perfectly good people are struck down with horrible illnesses they've done nothing to deserve? My mother is almost completely physically disabled by advanced multiple sclerosis, which has also given her dementia. She's never done anything evil in her life, and yet mass murderers like Vladimir Putin walk around in strapping good health at the same age. The idea that your health, wealth or wellbeing are any kind of reward or punishment from God for your sins is a child's understanding of the world.

I'm sorry to hear about your mom. My father passed away earlier this year, suddenly, at 64 years old.

We don't know why there is suffering in this world, and ostensibly bad things happen to good people. Perhaps one day we will. But there is definitely also Divine reward and punishment, both in this world and for our souls, once they're separated from our bodies.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred I wonder if the breathing issues were caused by my relatively heavy smoking habbit

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred We don't know why there is suffering in this world, and ostensibly bad things happen to good people.

Come on, man.

Smoking may itself be a sin, as it may be causing harm to my body.

Another thing I wanted to say is that what we may consider as bad may actually be Divine good/mercy. We don't know G-d's ways.

We do know though. It's called entropy.

Yeah, finally you got it. You had breathing problems during Covid not because heavy smoking fucks up your throat and lungs but because smoking is a sin, and Yahweh was punishing you. It's a game of indulgentia. You're familiar with remission, yes? A donation to a local synagogue never hurt any good Yehudi.

Lmao. Great thread. Didn't see this coming, but I should have.

The fact that heavy smoking may mess up one's lungs doesn't contradict that it may be a sin, as well. I don't think you understood me correctly. Obviously if I'm putting garbage down my throat, it may adversely affect my health, whether I'm sinning or not.

My breathing problems during Covid may have been a result of my smoking or perhaps on account of an altogether different sin/sins.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred My breathing problems during Covid may have been a result of my smoking or perhaps on account of an altogether different sin/sins.

Well, yeah, duh!! ATONE!!

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred The fact that heavy smoking may mess up one's lungs doesn't contradict that it may be a sin, as well. I don't think you understood me correctly. Obviously if I'm putting garbage down my throat, it may adversely affect my health, whether I'm sinning or not. My breathing problems during Covid may have been a result of my smoking or perhaps on account of an altogether different sin/sins.

Very good possibility it's because you're gay.

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson Very good possibility it's because you're gay.

G-d wouldn't punish me for being gay, only if I'd act upon it.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If you don't believe in God it's bullshit by default, but even if you do believe in God it's complete bullshit. Have you not lived on this planet for long enough to realise that perfectly good people are struck down with horrible illnesses they've done nothing to deserve? My mother is almost completely physically disabled by advanced multiple sclerosis, which has also given her dementia. She's never done anything evil in her life, and yet mass murderers like Vladimir Putin walk around in strapping good health at the same age. The idea that your health, wealth or wellbeing are any kind of reward or punishment from God for your sins is a child's understanding of the world.

Even Jesus was mocked, spit on and crucified by Roman soldiers for no other reason than being a good dude who healed others. There's no proof of an afterlife, but I would want your mom to be rewarded for how she lived her life here.