Exactly what I said in the other thread. If prices are low, the average Joe is perfectly happy with who's in charge.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Exactly what I said in the other thread. If prices are low, the average Joe is perfectly happy with who's in charge.

That's a rather simplistic way of looking at things, but I won't object to it. There are other things happening in this country such as extreme wokeism, identity politics, and unfettered illegal immigration which also nudged the pendulum further to the right of this country, but the economy remains a top issue.

Since JEO has made it clear what he thinks about my particular class, let me make it clear back to you fuck face. You turn your back on the working class, the working class turns its back on you. And I didn't have to spend 7 years in a university to figure that out. Without a working class you wouldn't have truck drivers supplying goods throughout, or a plumber to fix that clog in your sink, or the car mechanic to replace the brake drums on your car. But without such enlightened scholars such as yourself, we wouldn't have the next generation believing that men could be women or vice versa, or why toxic white men should be cast off and shunned. It's pretentious twats like you that got society in the shape that it is now. And that's why MAGA won this year.

As for you System-J, I only have one question for you. Are yorkshire puddings really that tasty? I know you Brits have a fondness for Sunday roasts in which yorkshire puddings are normally served. Which is strange to me because puddings in the US are uhm, less soluble? Not really liquid but not really doughy? It's not like biscuits and gravy in the south right? How would you describe the gravy on the bread? Flavorful, runny? Or just basically a puddle of mud wrapped in some dough? I don't get to travel much, being working class and all.

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Originally posted by Zharen Since JEO has made it clear what he thinks about my particular class

With my original comment about your lack of college education I actually tried to refer to an old post of yours I remember, in which you mocked a college girl for not knowing how to use a coffee machine. It had an air of contempt towards education in general. Your "class" seems to be what it is largely because you don't see any value in education, but I can't deny the fact that the system you champion has failed you, too. I'm pretty sure she's learned how to use a coffee machine by now, while you've degraded into an even more simple-minded, "class-conscious" lunatic. I come from a working class family myself � and that's actual working class, not the American version of it. My parents have, in total, less years of education than I have. I have received a world-class basic education, business-oriented secondary education, and years of university-level education in applied sciences, all seemingly for free. And guess what? I'm not working class anymore. Our gasoline is more expensive than yours, and we pay more taxes, yes. That's something I'm willing to "sacrifice" for a system that at least tries to guarantee a level playing field for all children regardless of their financial background, making this sort of social mobility possible. But keep voting Trump and bashing Sanders's politics and keep half of your country dumb.

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Originally posted by Zharen Must suck for you even more that us uneducated voters beat your candidate to the ground.

I don't think I've ever in my adult years held the notion that democracy would always be the perfect system where the "objectively" best road forward is taken 100% of the time. It barely works well around half of the time in my country, and half of us aren't mining-helmet-wearing oafs like it is over there. The fact that you and your compatriots succeeded in electing Trump as president for a second time is proof of democracy's "flaws". It feels like you're more concerned about the price of gasoline than you are about USA's role in the world, and the relative peace it has kept. If that hegemony is lost, you won't get it back overnight. Right now, as a concequence of Trump's win, Russia is quickly preparing for a meatgrinder push as far west in Ukraine as it can before Trump, sometime after his inauguration, forces a peace in Ukraine with Ukraine having to cede all Russian-occupied areas, and possibly more, to Russia. Not to even mention that he will probably try to force Ukraine to postpone any dreams of their Nato membership enough for Russia to regain for another war in Ukraine. But at least you owned the libs.

And before you say something about liberal tears or "libtards", I'm not really a diehard liberal, and personally probably less liberal in some subjects than you are, but I still wouldn't have voted for Trump. You really should try to see the big picture and Trump's role in it. He is an eroding force to the relatively peaceful Western order of things, and you gave him that power.

And oh:

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Originally posted by Zharen Without a working class you wouldn't have truck drivers supplying goods throughout, or a plumber to fix that clog in your sink, or the car mechanic to replace the brake drums on your car.

I'm a homeowner, and like the majority of Finnish homeowners, I'm perfectly capable of handling such trivial tasks like fixing a fucking "clog in the sink" myself. We've also always taken pride in maintaining and fixing our cars ourselves, as my dad worked as a mechanic for years. If these are your examples of irreplaceable working class jobs, I'm starting to suspect you work some cozy office job yourself. Truck drivers are of course a good example, but I haven't turned my back on the working class in any way, and neither has Finland. Finnish truck drivers, along with most industrial workers, have some of the best benefits in the world. Still, the kind of working class paradise this country has grown into in the last 80 or so years is probably far too "liberal" or "socialist" for you.

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Originally posted by Zharen That's a rather simplistic way of looking at things

Well yes. That's rather the point. I can say a lot of complex things about American politics but they ultimately have little relevance to most voters, even if they affect people's lives more than they actually realise.

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As for you System-J, I only have one question for you. Are yorkshire puddings really that tasty? I know you Brits have a fondness for Sunday roasts in which yorkshire puddings are normally served. Which is strange to me because puddings in the US are uhm, less soluble? Not really liquid but not really doughy? It's not like biscuits and gravy in the south right? How would you describe the gravy on the bread? Flavorful, runny? Or just basically a puddle of mud wrapped in some dough? I don't get to travel much, being working class and all.

I'm not really sure what you're asking here. Yorkshire puddings aren't "soluble" at all. A Yorkshire pudding is basically the same batter you use to make pancakes but cooked in a shaped tray that makes them rise up into a bowl shape. A good Yorkshire pudding should retain some of the pancake softness in the base of the "bowl" to give it a rich, creamy taste. Too often these days in gentrified pubs they are overcooked into these gigantic hollow balls of over-crispy batter which implode upon first inspection with a knife and seem designed primarily to create an illusion of more food on your plate. You pour gravy on them like you pour gravy over everything on the plate - again, never as much as I like when I eat them in a pub these days. Give me a choice and my Sunday roast will look like it's been rescued from an oil spill.

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Originally posted by Zharen ... Didn't become MAGA until about 2018, right around the time when gas prices were low, energy costs were reasonable and jobs were plentiful. Doesn't take a genius to see that Trump was actually doing a good job. I actually voted third party in 2016, as I was uncertain about Trump's performance then. At which point I was mocked, told that I had wasted my vote away and yet somehow also decided the election for Trump. Those CA liberals are very unhappy people, mentally deranged. So of course, I voted differently in 2020...

This is actually good insight. I have (a few) friends that are Republicans that have shared why they vote the way they vote through civil conversations. Based on this, I understand where both they and you come from. I wouldn't necessarily agree but at least we listened.

It sounds like you weren't happy with the 2 candidates in 2016, were mocked for your vote, but were happy with the status quo. I can see why you voted the way you did in 2020 and 2024. All good. This comment best sums it up:

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Exactly what I said in the other thread. If prices are low, the average Joe is perfectly happy with who's in charge.

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The part of this equation that doesn't add up for me is the part where Trump blatantly, nakedly tried to overturn the 2020 election on completely frivolous grounds. A mob literally stormed the seat of the American government and tried to overrule democracy. How the fuck do you overlook that just because you don't like cancel culture and it costs you more to fill your car up?

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> Back To Deep [Deep Trippy House]
> Terra Nova [Modern Progressive Trance]

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The part of this equation that doesn't add up for me is the part where Trump blatantly, nakedly tried to overturn the 2020 election on completely frivolous grounds. A mob literally stormed the seat of the American government and tried to overrule democracy. How the fuck do you overlook that just because you don't like cancel culture and it costs you more to fill your car up?

Ooh! Ooh! I know this one.

Americans are really, really, really fucking stupid.

It's already happening:

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Originally posted by Zharen Trump never started any new wars either, where even Obama was still ordering drone strikes in Libya, Yemen and Syria.

Trump carried out far more drone strikes than Obama:

https://truthout.org/articles/trump...the-crosshairs/

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Originally posted by ziptnf Ooh! Ooh! I know this one. Americans are really, really, really fucking stupid. It's already happening:

Lololol. CNN displayed some poll data showing that the least important thing to Trump voters was if a leader cared about people like them. They WANT to vote against their own interests!!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The part of this equation that doesn't add up for me is the part where Trump blatantly, nakedly tried to overturn the 2020 election on completely frivolous grounds. A mob literally stormed the seat of the American government and tried to overrule democracy. How the fuck do you overlook that just because you don't like cancel culture and it costs you more to fill your car up?

Because the Leftist media, who have truly become the arm of the DNC (with the exception of Fox News), has done nothing but bring this up. Jan 6, Jan 6, they have beat this dead horse to a pulp for the past 3 years. It may have sounded shocking in the headlines, but literally not one single politician was harmed or killed during this event. I believe one police officer was killed, a female protester was also killed, and that was it. The building sustained some damage, but the media makes it sound as if the entire Capitol bldg went up in flames or something. I assure you, it's still there.

Most of the people responsible for actually setting foot in the bldg have already been identified and arrested. Dozens of them have been tried and convicted by both the FBI and DOJ. Perhaps a bit too aggressively, as those prosecutions ended up angering Trump's base. By contrast, you had the BLM riots from 2020, where the same media practically dismissed all of the violence and burglarized businesses happening in the liberal cities. They called them mostly peaceful protests, which they were not. For those of us on the right, we find that hypocritical. I suppose if the Jan 6 event had happened 6 months before the election, this would have been a bigger issue. But after 3 years of constantly being beaten over the head by it, most of us don't care anymore. Like Kamala said, it's time to turn the page.