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Armin Acolyte



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Originally posted by atbell
^^^

More good stuff. Where do you get those wonderful toys?


It's a general interest I still have when I was actually in the market to buy.

I've since bought with the best guess that Canada wouldn't be too effected by the States in this area.
The local Real Estate market was predicting if anything, the market would simply flatten or have a slight decline - one year later - they were right and I'm better off for it (thankfully).
In fact, my area is one of the hottest regions in Toronto for those looking to sell.

I trip across these articles once in a while cause I like to remind myself I did the right thing and or course share the info with you guys since we all have some interest in it.


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I just heard a GREAT term, on the Clark Howard Show, describing Americans who carry a VERY heavy credit load as a "Walking Junk Bond"

I believe the term was coined by Jonathan Clements, of The Wall Street Journal. It seems like a very accurate description of the "pickle" that we Americans are in.


Link to show notes:http://clarkhoward.com/shownotes/2008/04/24/13485/

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Here's a good quote from a newsletter I just finished reading.


quote:
...Well, I've watched what has developed over the last 50 years and, to me now, if I think of a word to describe American culture, it isn't "self-reliant." It is "entitlement." That is not a positive word. You're entitled to something. You're entitled to health care. You're entitled to Social Security. No, you're entitled to them as long as you can work and provide the necessary resources to cover them--without sending the next generation and the generation after that and the next generation after that into bankruptcy. This generation is stealing from future generations and that is not morally correct. What I'm getting at is that, as we expand these entitlements, as we expand the socialization of risk and the acceptance of moral hazards, we don't make the system stronger. We weaken the system. We give it crutches that eventually cannot support the weight of the responsibilities that are being put upon them. When those break, the penalties will be far more severe. So I don't know if the Bear Stearns bailout ends the story. I believe that the credit crisis is still severe. That the likelihood is that the type of economic recovery we have, coming out of this period of recession or slowdown, will be materially slower than what it was like when we came out of the 2002 recession. You won't have the benefit of the expansion of the structured finance arena. It's going to be far more constrained and more vanilla. There's going to be far more credit that's going to have to be retained on portfolio. That requires more capital and more reserves for loan losses...

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Armin Acolyte



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by zookeeper
I just heard a GREAT term, on the Clark Howard Show, describing Americans who carry a VERY heavy credit load as a "Walking Junk Bond"

I believe the term was coined by Jonathan Clements, of The Wall Street Journal. It seems like a very accurate description of the "pickle" that we Americans are in.


Link to show notes:http://clarkhoward.com/shownotes/2008/04/24/13485/


Walking Junk Bond haha....how apt indeed!


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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Lilith
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lol... this is kind of an eye opener in a lot of ways.

'R' word looms as US awaits release of official figures
Official figures are expected to confirm that the world's biggest economy has contracted in the first three months of this year, and if that is the case, the US would be just one set of negative numbers away from being officially in recession.

Throughout the year, US President George W Bush has been trying to convince Americans that a recession can be avoided. But his latest attempt at reassurance took on a less certain tone.

"If there's a magic wand to wave, I'd be waving it of course," Mr Bush said.

The US President was fending off increasingly tense questions about the health of the world's biggest economy, as he braced himself for confirmation of what many economists agree is inevitable.

Not surprisingly, Mr Bush was guarded, going nowhere near the 'r' word.

"The words on how to define the economy don't reflect the anxiety the American feel," he said.

"The average person doesn't really care what we call it, the average person wants to know whether or not we know that they're paying higher gasoline prices and that they're worried about staying in their homes, and I do understand that."

Pessimism rules

Mr Bush will have an acute understanding late Wednesday night (Australian time), when the first quarter national accounts are released.

They are expected to show the US economy contracted in the first three months of this year or at best, flat-lined.

But a second successive quarter of negative growth would constitute a technical recession, not that many Americans would be surprised.

Lynn Franco is director of consumer research at the Conference Board, which today released its latest gauge of American consumer confidence, now at its lowest level since 2003.

"I think consumers are sort of getting hit from all angles," she said.

"Right now consumers are extremely pessimistic, extremely cautious. We saw our inflation expectations soar to a level we've not seen since following Hurricane Katrina, in a combination of both prices at the pump and prices at the grocery store."

That is on top of the genesis of the current mess in the US - the meltdown of the subprime mortgage sector which has pushed housing foreclosures to record levels.

Rick Sharga is from housing research group RealtyTrac, and says housing prices have fallen by 13 per cent in America's top 20 market, and there is still no sign that the worst is over.

"Forty-six of the 50 states and 90 of the 100 largest metropolitan areas have seen increases in the past quarter," he said.

"Arizona, Connecticut and Massachusetts have shown a fair amount of recent growth.

"Almost 650,000 households received some sort of foreclosure notice in the first quarter, which works out to being about one in every 194 US households receiving a foreclosure filing during that period."


And many Americans who are struggling to buy life's basics - let alone pay a mortgage - are lining up for financial advice.

Atlanta consumer credit counsellor, Scott Scredon, has some hard advice for families battening down budgets, now that the boom days of easy credit are coming to an end.

"The golden rule is to live beneath your means, obviously spend less money than you make," he said.

"Do you need cable television and if so, do you need 250 channels? If you have children, especially if they're 12 years old or older, do you need three, four, five cell phones in the household?"

Awaiting Fed action

While US consumers are looking for direction, economists are expecting more action from the US Federal Reserve overnight. It has already cut official interest rates by a total of three percentage points since September.

The betting is that Fed chairman Ben Bernanke will cut once again.

Roger Bootle, like most economists, expects the benchmark rate to fall to 2 per cent.

"I think they'll probably cut by a quarter, but I don't think that's going to be the end of it," he said.

"The market seemed to think that there'll be some sort of pause afterwards and that may well be right."

He thinks they could fall even further, but that the US central bank will now start debating the balance between dealing with a recession, and fighting off inflation.

"There are two camps really on the Fed board. Two intellectual camps in general - all those that are worried more about inflationary risks, and those that are more worried about the downside risks of the real economy," he said.

"We will have quite a few rate cuts and as it were, this could then sort of hold the balance between these two opposing views.

"I guess the hope would be that further news would emerge over the next couple of months to make it clear which way things were going, and my own view is that the economy is going to be proved to be pretty soft.

"I'm hopeful that inflationary pressures will subside as the year moves on, but I still think myself that US rates are coming a lot further down."

The uncertainty in the United States continues to be reflected in Europe, where Germany's Deutsche Bank has posted its first quarterly loss in five years.

The outlook is so foggy that the bank will not give a forecast for its full year profit result because of the unprecedented financial circumstances.

The bank says it simply cannot see that far ahead.

ABC News Australia




Magic wands, banks that refuse to forecast...

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quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
Magic wands, banks that refuse to forecast...


To quote the Seinfeld episode, with the "low-flow showerheads"...

Kramer: "I don't like the sound of that!"

I think all I can do now is laugh or else I'll cry....and I just put $72.00 worth of gas in my car. Even my English friends are saying that I'm paying alot for gas.

on the bright side...I'm using my bike more than I have in years

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Armin Acolyte



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quote:
Originally posted by zookeeper
To quote the Seinfeld episode, with the "low-flow showerheads"...

Kramer: "I don't like the sound of that!"

I think all I can do now is laugh or else I'll cry....and I just put $72.00 worth of gas in my car. Even my English friends are saying that I'm paying alot for gas.

on the bright side...I'm using my bike more than I have in years


I've also started to bike to work...

/lord knows I need it...


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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Lilith
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But the magic wand guys!
It'll work for sure, heck oil was $20 a barrel 10 years ago, now its magically $120 which means its doing something doesn't it... if you're in the oil business or have friends there.

Full tank for me is about $120 in the big car, needless to say, the little 4cyl banger is getting a lot more use.

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WRAPUP 3-U.S. growth surprises but consumers stressed
Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:23pm EDT

(Adds Fed action, details on support from inventories, paragraph 9, updates market reaction)

By Glenn Somerville

WASHINGTON, April 30 (Reuters) - A buildup in inventories kept the U.S. economy afloat in the first quarter despite the weakest consumer spending since 2001 and reduced business investment, a government report on Wednesday showed.

Gross domestic product grew at a 0.6 percent annual rate in the first quarter, the Commerce Department said. That matched the fourth quarter's advance and topped forecasts for 0.2 percent growth, but did not end a debate on whether the country was sliding into recession.

The Federal Reserve weighed in later with another small cut in official interest rates to counter what policy-makers characterized as weak economic activity.

Some economists said the GDP report suggested the U.S. economy was on a bit firmer ground than had been thought, but others braced for worse times ahead as businesses ratchet back production further to try to sell off inventories.

"There are some very troubling signs in this report," said economist Paul Ashworth of Capital Economics Ltd in London. "The GDP figure is being flattered by the strength of demand abroad and an involuntary inventory accumulation."

Stock prices were higher in mid-afternoon in volatile trading. Stocks had a positive tone from early trading, buoyed by hopes that employment will hold up. ADP Employer Services said it found private-sector companies added 10,000 jobs in April, a sharp contrast to forecasts that they would cut jobs.

The government is set to issue its report on April employment this Friday and forecasts are that 80,000 more jobs will be cut. Jobs were lost in each of the first three months this year.

HOUSING STILL WEIGHS

The economy is burdened by a crisis-stricken housing sector that has dimmed consumer optimism and fueled worry that spending will shrivel in coming months, raising risks of a recession.

Businesses whittled down inventories in the fourth quarter but they were rebuilt in the first quarter. Without the positive 0.8 percentage point contribution from inventories, the economy would have contracted in the first quarter.

The GDP report showed that final sales to domestic purchasers weakened in the first three months this year at the steepest rate in 16 years, which raises odds that businesses will have to lower output to sell those inventories off.

Some companies, like General Motors Corp. (GM.N: Quote, Profile, Research) have already announced cuts in production. GM said earlier this month it will cut 2008 truck production by 138,000 vehicles.

"We expect that the coming inventory correction will send growth into negative territory, save a truly heroic effort by the U.S. consumer to spend their way out of the current malaise with their $600 rebates," said Joseph Brusuelas, U.S. chief economist at IDEAglobal in New York.

Tax rebates that are part of a government economic stimulus program began to flow this week to upwards of 100 million Americans.

While the Fed's policy-setting Federal Open market Committee lowered rates as expected, it also indicated it now wants to pause in its rate-cutting campaign. It said that it has put in place a "substantial easing of monetary policy" that should support moderate growth ahead.

The Fed has cut its benchmark federal funds rate by 3-1/4 percentage points since mid-September to 2 percent to shore up the economy and calm unsettled financial markets.

UNSETTLING PRICE RISES

The Fed specifically noted that energy and commodity prices were rising and inflation expectations were up -- all reasons to avoid reducing rates again unless forced to do so.

GDP is the broadest measure of total economic activity within U.S. borders. Many of the first-quarter report's details implied weakening that analysts fear will lead to a recession.

The GDP figures are an initial measure of first-quarter performance and will be revised twice in coming months.

Consumer spending that fuels two-thirds of economic activity through consumption of goods and services, grew at the weakest rate since the second quarter of 2001, when the economy was last in recession.

The weakening in an already distressed housing sector was even more striking. Spending on residential construction plunged at a 26.7 percent rate, the biggest quarterly drop since the end of 1981.

A separate report suggested the weakening labor market was keeping labor costs under wraps. The Labor Department said U.S. employment costs grew at a 0.7 percent annual rate in the first quarter, marking a slight slowdown from the fourth quarter.

Figures from the Mortgage Bankers Association on Wednesday suggested the housing market was far from recovery.

The MBA said its index of mortgage application activity dropped 11.1 percent last week to its lowest level since late December. (Additional reporting by Mark Felsenthal and Lisa Lambert in Washington and Burton Frierson, Al Yoon and Richard Leong in New York; Editing by Andrea Ricci)

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Yet, more gloomy predictions for our neighbours down South from The Economist...

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America's house prices are falling even faster than during the Great Depression

AS HOUSE prices in America continue their rapid descent, market-watchers are having to cast back ever further for gloomy comparisons. The latest S&P/Case-Shiller national house-price index, published this week, showed a slump of 14.1% in the year to the first quarter, the worst since the index began 20 years ago. Now Robert Shiller, an economist at Yale University and co-inventor of the index, has compiled a version that stretches back over a century. This shows that the latest fall in nominal prices is already much bigger than the 10.5% drop in 1932, the worst point of the Depression. And things are even worse than they look. In the deflationary 1930s house prices declined less in real terms. Today inflation is running at a brisk pace, so property prices have fallen by a staggering 18% in real terms over the past year.



>>Source<<

Good gawd....it's a free fall!


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...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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While you where all mindlessly distracted watching the black guy and the retarded cheerleader duke it out like some demented, 2nd rate sideshow act for fun and amusement on televisions over the last however many months (make it stop!), the rest of the world has been rolling along just... well rolling downhill really.

Shares plummet, oil hits record
June 8, 2008 - 12:23AM

US SHARES plunged yesterday, making it the worst day in 15 months for the Dow Jones Industrial Average. The Dow slumped after the US Government said the May unemployment rate had reached its highest level in 22 years, and oil prices shot to another record, renewing fears that the US economy faces 1970s-style stagflation.

The one-two punch of those catalysts sent investors fleeing from stocks to the safety of government bonds, worried that corporate profits will be under siege for longer than forecast.

The benchmark S&P 500 fell 2.6percent for the week to close near a two-month low.

US crude's dramatic leap of $US10.75 to $US138.54 - its biggest one-day rise in dollar terms - fuelled concerns about inflation and consumers' spending power, a key driver of economic growth. Helped along by the US dollar's weakness and tensions in the Middle East, oil thundered past the high hit in late May.

General Electric (GE) and other economic bellwethers slid after a Labor Department report showed the unemployment rate in the US rose in May to 5.5percent, its highest level since October 2004 and an increase from April's jobless rate of 5percent. The report also showed the economy shed jobs for a fifth straight month.

SMH

*clunk*
A little more from The Guardian on specifics...

Bond prices moved sharply higher as expectations of any near-term increase in interest rates subsided. Gold futures jumped 2%, to $891 an ounce as investors, taking fright, sought a safe haven.

There were substantial job losses last month in construction industries, where 34,000 cuts were made, in manufacturing, where 26,000 jobs were lost, and among providers of professional services, where 39,000 jobs went.

"The overall trend is clearly weakening, with the unemployment rate having increased by a full percentage point over the past 12 months," said James Knightley, an economist at ING Financial Markets. "This will continue to depress consumer spending - the fiscal package is being fully swallowed by higher gasoline prices - and will, in our view, help to keep activity depressed for longer than financial markets are currently discounting."

Nigel Gault, chief economist at Global Insight, said: "The rise in unemployment throws some cold water on the idea that the Fed will soon raise interest rates to prop up the dollar and rein in inflation. The Fed is in a difficult spot with first-half growth not far above zero, but inflation climbing. We believe that the economy is too fragile for a rate hike before 2009."


So if you're one of the lucky ones out there with a job, if you work in aforementioned industries and considering a career move, now might be a good time to do it.
I still wouldn't touch the stock market with a 10ft pole and neither should anyone who considers themselves a 'amateur speculator' (well by 'amateur speculator' I mean, 'average idiot' who thinks they know what they're doing) as you're going to end up broke-ass, in tears and probably wondering why you didn't bet on horses with your spare pennies.
If you do have some spare pennies, hang onto them.
If you don't have some spare pennies, get some.
Currency trading is still probably the safer bet if you're looking to do some short term, no-brain forecasting in that area as opposed to shares and commodities, though if oil dips suddenly in the next few weeks you could probably do worse than buy up in it as its likely to spike again as soon as someone so much as looks cross-eyed at Iran.

In other news from The White House as to why the US is a wreck at the moment...

*crickets*

Yep, no surprise there as there's 'a really, really serious war on damn it' and George Bush is still looking for his magic wand. Soon as he finds it or his god tells him to bomb someone for their oil, I'm sure he'll let you all know about it.

In other news from the maximum security twilight home for cats as to why the US is a wreck at the moment.
If you think its pretty bad right now and don't think it can get much worse you'd be DEAD wrong! Save some money, be really wary at having anything to do with real estate, try to minimise debt and take out some income insurance to keep you in cat biscuits if things go wrong if you have a job that is in one of the above mentioned sources of employment and keep your ear to the ground where you work for mentions of any lay-offs.

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Armin Acolyte



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Yep, no surprise there as there's 'a really, really serious war on damn it' and George Bush is still looking for his magic wand. Soon as he finds it or his god tells him to bomb someone for their oil, I'm sure he'll let you all know about it.


Wars are what normally pull the U.S. out of their flunk however (and definitely) not this time 'round...


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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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