Originally posted by planetaryplayer
Jeff mills answered in some interview that basically non of his peers are worth seeing and he is not interested in their stuff lol
I like a lot of Detroit but I never really liked Jeff mills
Peers as in Detroit producers or Berghain-type of stuff?
Feb-17-2016 22:37
SYSTEM-J
IDKFA.
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester
quote:
Originally posted by Chimney
How so? He seemed like it when speaking in front of the crowd. Stage-fear maybe.
He's famously pompous and self-important, as he's demonstrated in countless interviews. He once plunged a club in Ibiza into silence for 15 minutes until BBC Radio 1 could prove to him they weren't about to record his mix.
And no humble man would attempt to write those silly paragraphs he puts in his album inlays despite apparently lacking a basic understanding of grammar or syntax.
If you enjoy any of these sets and want to hear me live, I'll be playing a 2 hour progressive trance set at Basing House in Shoreditch, London on 11th October.
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Feb-17-2016 22:39
wotyzoid
it's not house
Registered: Apr 2007
Location: New Jersey
quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
He once plunged a club in Ibiza into silence for 15 minutes until BBC Radio 1 could prove to him they weren't about to record his mix.
Originally posted by Chimney
Peers as in Detroit producers or Berghain-type of stuff?
Peers as in all the above, plus other genres.
I think he also claims to be the biggest name of Detroit and possibly most important. He also walked off stage when a flying object from a crowd landed on the stage near him LOL
Feb-17-2016 23:38
Woony
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Berlin
quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
And no humble man would attempt to write those silly paragraphs he puts in his album inlays despite apparently lacking a basic understanding of grammar or syntax.
I have a pair of Axis splipmats. They read "theories and subjects of substance is the elementary element that fuels the minds within our axis". The fuck is that even supposed to mean. Mills' philosophy has always been stoned-highschooler-level but he still managed to hit on some of techno's key concepts by having the right mindset and an endless drive during the right timeframe, records like Cycle 30 still shape the aesthetic core of techno to this day.
There's also so many contradictions about him that people never seem to question. Why does a man that is obsessed with moving forward and the future still play The Bells in every set after over twenty years and refuse to release his back catalog digitally, even after he has publically dismissed vinyl DJs. Why does his "future music" still cling to 50s/60s sci-fi clichees and why does it sound the same as his music from 15 years ago. Why does a man trying to democratize techno and "bring it to the people" do projects with the high art world. And the list just goes on.
Still musically, his 90s material is genius. The stuff he managed to pull out of shitty arcane FM synths is mindboggling.
Originally posted by Woony
Why does his "future music" still cling to 50s/60s sci-fi clichees and why does it sound the same as his music from 15 years ago.
Because futurism is actually old-fashioned now. Depictions of the future invariably tell you more about the era that produced them, and what's striking about modern western culture is how uninterested in the future we are, because we live in it. The modern fetish is with "authenticity" - replication of the past, a thinly-grasped sense of reality before we got lost in the increasingly digital hyperreality of the Internet era. Dance music is far from immune to this trend. Hell, it's the reason you prize analogue, vinyl, etc.
The only compelling visions of the future now are retro.
If you enjoy any of these sets and want to hear me live, I'll be playing a 2 hour progressive trance set at Basing House in Shoreditch, London on 11th October.
I'm also a resident at our bi-monthly party Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/
Feb-18-2016 18:45
Chimney
Low pH
Registered: Oct 2008
Location: Western Block
So deep. Like, deep house. How about one of you answer me if Rodh�d is the way to go or not? Woony, I'm looking specifically at you.
Feb-18-2016 20:15
enydo
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Registered: Jan 2008
Location: NYC
donate the $60 to charity, stay in and read a book
Originally posted by enydo
stay in and read a book
That's what I've been doing for most evenings for the past 20 years of my life.
Feb-19-2016 19:27
Woony
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Berlin
quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Because futurism is actually old-fashioned now. Depictions of the future invariably tell you more about the era that produced them, and what's striking about modern western culture is how uninterested in the future we are, because we live in it. The modern fetish is with "authenticity" - replication of the past, a thinly-grasped sense of reality before we got lost in the increasingly digital hyperreality of the Internet era. Dance music is far from immune to this trend. Hell, it's the reason you prize analogue, vinyl, etc.
The only compelling visions of the future now are retro.
I don't necessarily disagree but I would except at least some degree of self reflection from someone like Mills. Although, while it's obviously not a big theme in the mainstream anymore, I don't think futurism is necessarily dead or old fashioned. It's just that looking into the future from a 21st century perspective is going to require a much more abstract level of thinking than flying saucers and space ships.
Mills pressed this interview on one of his records in 1999, probably one of smarter things he's done. It touches on many topics and concepts that could be used to explore 21st century futurist techno but instead, he's clinging to the same old narratives.
Personally, i've never been very fond of the future. It's scary and uncertain and by all acounts not looking very bright. I once took a course on futurist/technology philosophy and just make out of it really depressed every time. But I do expect some more imagination out of self described futurists.
That sounds so awesome
