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| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Eh? Four TV stations (including RCTV) participated and helped plan the military overthrow of a democratically elected government - which part of that don't you understand? Or is that a perfectly reasonable course of action?
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Wait., once again I�ll ask the same question I posed before � you originally said that they staged the coup. After I asked you to confirm that, you changed your answer to that they participated in the coup. Now are you saying that a free speech endorsement of the opposition equivocates to a complicit, planed military overthrow of the government?
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Do you even know what replaced RCTV on the channel 2 frequency?
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Yes. I�ve known for months.
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Broadcast battles
Jul 19th 2007 | CARACAS
From The Economist print edition
Rebirth of a television station
JUST seven weeks after disappearing from Venezuelans' television screens when the government refused to renew its broadcasting licence, RCTV is back. But the station, whose opposition politics and �capitalist� programmes aroused the ire of Hugo Ch�vez, the country's leftist president, is now available only to the roughly two-fifths of households that have access to cable or satellite television.
The station's reappearance, says the government, proves that international criticism of the curtailing of freedom of expression in Venezuela was a storm in a teacup. Officials say RCTV could have switched immediately to become a subscription channel, and that it went off the air only to make a political point. But RCTV counters that it had to rejig its business model to fit lower revenues.
It is not clear how depriving most of the poor, who lack cable and satellite, of what was their favourite channel amounts to �democratisation of the air-waves�, as the government claims. TVes, the new state-run channel which now occupies RCTV's Channel 2 slot, has struggled to reach a tenth of its predecessor's rating. TVes is supposedly a public-service station. But it has swiftly scrapped the newscasts it had commissioned from an independent producer. They were of poor quality, but the reason given by Lil Rodr�guez, the channel's director, was that: �The editorial line must be determined by the company.�
Perhaps foreseeing increased take-up of cable and satellite, the information minister suggested that these channels may soon be obliged to carry the (frequent and interminable) speeches to the nation of Mr Ch�vez, which all free-to-air television and radio stations must broadcast.
The RCTV affair has cost Mr Ch�vez some international goodwill, and has stirred up fresh opposition at home, notably from a new student movement now preparing to wage a separate battle in defence of university autonomy. Some opinion polls, such as one by Hinterlaces, suggest that Mr Ch�vez's popularity with Venezuelans has suffered over RCTV. Another equally reputable pollster, F�lix Seijas, found that the president's approval rating remains steady at around 70%.
The main potential beneficiary of RCTV's problems is Gustavo Cisneros, who owns its biggest commercial rival, Venevisi�n. Mr Cisneros, once an opposition supporter, has faced accusations that his channel's anodyne news output is the result of a deal with Mr Ch�vez. In an editorial broadcast on his own channel, he accused �certain government figures� of wanting only news that was favourable to the regime. But he also said that it was not the role of television to take sides in a political conflict. A fine sentiment, but one that seems unlikely to catch on in Mr Ch�vez's Venezuela.
http://www.economist.com/world/la/d...tory_id=9517231
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What�s your point?
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Who said anything about journalists? I've said all along that the owners of the TV stations would be charged with treason in the US. You're the one inventing arguments up in your head, not me.
Tell me what would happen to someone in America that helped organise and took part in a military overthrow of the democratically elected government?
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Ohhh So Bush would only EXECUTE TV station owners not journalists! That completely SUBSTANTIATES your entire argument! My bad!
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Then post it again and tell me exactly what you want me to comment on because iirc I've replied twice to that post and have no intention of repeating myself if you're not going to tell me what you're on about
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1999 - Chavez forces private radio and TV stations to broadcast his hours-long speeches, blocking regular programming with political announcements or political commentary.
2001 - Chavez warns media following reports of military corruption, telling news channel Globovision "I should remind you that I could revoke that concession at any moment."
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With political rivals either discredited as part of the old guard or unable to offer the majority poor a credible alternative to "El Comandante," the media had been the president's main opposition.
But, dependent on the government for advertising revenue, major private stations have changed their editorial line to favor a president whose brief ouster they had openly supported in 2002.
The lone hold-out was RCTV.
The ex-colonel pulled the plug on the 53-year-old station by refusing to renew its concession license on the grounds it backed the putsch.
Chavez, 52, granted other channels an extension but changed their contracts so that their licenses come up for renewal again a few months before he faces re-election in 2012.
The one Venezuelan station that avoids self-censorship and remains staunchly opposed to Chavez is only seen in limited areas across the South American nation of Amazon jungle, Andean mountains and Caribbean coastline.
Chavez, who rules by decree, has publicly warned the station he will close it if he deems it has gone too far.
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You implied that I would justify anything Chavez has done simply because he is Chavez. That's not true by a long shot. What I have done consistently through this thread is to look for the truth behind the media fabrications - media censorship, undemocratic elections, undemocratic rule, etc etc - pretty much everything Chavez has been accused of by corporate America has been lies. He won the election fair and square - fucking deal with it
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Huh? Trust me I can �deal with it�. Hehe besides from me having no idea what you�re talking about (but it is easy to lump all your opposition into one bucket isn�t eh?) to me you have justified everything Chavez has done because you haven�t related to any of us what EXACTLY it is that you have criticized??? Can you correct that preconceived notion? I asked you to provide examples and once again I was disappointed because you didn�t attempt to answer my question �.
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Would any of you know where to point to Venezuela on a map if Chavez had not re-nationalised the oil industry?
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Yes. Please tell me this is not an argument you are legitimately trying to make?
| quote: | | This is the source of all the accusations about Chavez, nobody would care about him had he not posed a direct threat to corporate America, and your culture is so twisted that you have been conditioned to equate freedom to economic freedom (when the truth is economic freedom equates to a total loss of freedom for the vast majority). The only FACT about Chavez is that he nationalised the oil industry - nothing wrong with that whatsoever - yet in your culture that equals dictatorship |
There�s nothing wrong with nationalizing the oil industry � if it�s done for the right reasons, namely the market externalities prevent efficient operations in the private sector. Be absolutely clear with me how Chavez�s actions are conducive to the Venezuelan economy???
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