hi Kit,

you're going to want to familiarize yourself with the loop editor in kontakt. first click on the mapping editor. select the range of keys you are talking about (c3-c6 for exapmle)... or select one individual cell if its a large kit(i just got the joke that your names kit?) and under loop mode select what you need.

Anthony

Will, that work to get the sustain always on for the pianos? Will try it out, thanks!

I've spent another few hours burrowing around in the interface and I think it might have to do with the group edit window, theres a group there which says sustain and another one saying pedal. Trouble is, I've set the trigger on them to "always" but they still won't come on! Anyway if anyone has any ideas I'd be glad to hear them...

if the samples themselves don't have a high sustain, no module in kontakt will give you the effect you're looking for.

yeah, the intstrument's built to be able to do sustain when you hit the sustain pedal, trouble is, I don't have a sustain pedal! I'm just trying to figure a way of getting sustain without a pedal, there must be some way to send the same midi message from Live right? even if there isnt a button in kontakt somewhere.

I worked it out finally, for any other people who use live and aren't too smart heres what you do: down the bottom of the midi editor when you open a clip is a little group of three buttons its on the lower left hand side. click the one with "e" on it then find the midi cc you want (to find out hat cc you want you may have to read the manual of the plugin for its midi implementation) and arrange the envelope to suit. Easy!

huh? you asked about sustain not about envelope automation...

Yeah, sorry I didn't make myself clear, I didn't really know what I was talking about. In piano terms, they usually call the right pedal the sustain pedal, I was trying to work out how to access the virtual sustain pedal in the kontakt pianos without buying a midi sustain pedal. So how to manipulate the envelope for the sustain pedal I guess... If I had put it that way to start I probably would have got my answer ages ago! Thanks for your help though, it actually put me on the right track in a way, rather than trying to get my keyboard to do it i started looking at my laptop instead!

The sustain CC should be the same regardless of plugin, since it's part of the GM2 spec.

There are some plugins which flagrantly disobey that standard (z3ta+ comes to mind) but samplers generally follow the rules.

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Ah Ok thanks for the info. I think akoustic piano might be another one which disregards the rule, I'm using that rather than kontakt now, I like the sounds better.