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***rave Act Passed***
i dont know if you heard...but the rave act passed. it was tagged with Amber Act. it passed congress on thursday. its on its way to the senate
well i dont know if you want to take this seriously. but i am offended! i am still young 18...and if i dont get to spin @ clubs, and wmc i am going to be pissed. i want djs to rock my tunes + and 1 day i want to hear them @ clubs all over the world. if this bill passes then...say good bye to my dreams!
please sign this and send it to your friends!
(write your email address)
http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/...tep=2&item=1581
That sucks but don't give up hope just yet, at least some of the vague wording was removed but still...
goddamn fucking bullshit
if this goes down, Im moving to Holland so I can fucking spin at clubs
People Still Go To Raves
Anyone care to explain to an outsider what this act will do?
In Sweden we have this police. Its called the "ravecommision", a
police specially created to go to parties, drag ppl out of there and
test them for drugs. A big Swedish newspaper (a trustworthy one, not a tabloid)
had a good article about em 2 years ago, apparentlty they are employing
some rather nasty techniques.
Leaving people in what can more be described as storage rooms then
cells, with no possibility to sit, lie down or even use a toilet.
They leave them there for hours in a time, without notifing them
about what they might be under suspicion for, often they are just
released a few hours later.
Its so sick.
Re: ***rave Act Passed***
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| Originally posted by amit well i dont know if you want to take this seriously. but i am offended! i am still young 18...and if i dont get to spin @ clubs, and wmc i am going to be pissed. i want djs to rock my tunes + and 1 day i want to hear them @ clubs all over the world. if this bill passes then...say good bye to my dreams! |
...this is a sad day though...this really sux...no ones bustin on the hip hop/rap or rock stuff...y electronic>?
Don't move here all at the same time. We're just a small country you know 
I just want to get something clear that I'm not quite understanding. Is this law going to do away with clubs in the US??? Cause if it is, I honestly think this is virtually impossible. I live in Austin, and I was wondering what the fuck would happen to 6th street if this happened. There would be no 6th street, perhaps. This shit isn't going to happen in my opinion, there is no way. Someone inform how this is going to work, cause I dunno!
peace,
Steve
Here's a letter from the Drug Policy Alliance:
Dear Members, Subscribers and Friends,
I do not normally use our alert channel to send a personal message.
However, I wanted to let you know that the Illicit Drug Anti-
Proliferation Act (also called the "RAVE Act"), which was attached to
the AMBER Alert bill, passed both the House and Senate late yesterday
(April 10).
The RAVE Act threatens free speech and musical expression while
placing at risk any hotel/motel owner, concert promoter, event
organizer, nightclub owner or arena/stadium owner for the drug
violations of 3rd parties - real or alleged - even if the event
promoter and/or property owner made a good-faith effort to keep their
event drug-free. It applies not just to electronic-music parties,
but to any type of public gathering, including theatrical
productions, rock concerts, DJ nights at local bars, and potentially
even political rallies. It gives heightened powers and discretion to
prosecutors, who may use it to target events they personally don't
like - such as Hip-Hop events and gay and lesbian fundraisers.
Sadly, the RAVE Act was added to the AMBER Alert bill conference
report at the very last minute by Senator Biden (D-DE), its original
sponsor. The AMBER Alert bill creates a system for responding to
child abduction. It has nothing to do with drug policy. The RAVE
Act had not passed even a single committee in the House or Senate
this year. One senator's pet issue made a mockery of the Democratic
process - becoming law without any public hearing or opportunity for
input whatsoever.
You should be aware that your letters and faxes clearly had an
effect. (FYI - you sent Congress 13,000 faxes this week alone!!)
For example, the word "rave" was removed from the version of the bill
that passed. Eliminating such blatant discrimination is a victory
for our continued freedom of speech. Also, the original bill
suggested that prosecutors should view the sale of water and the
presence of glowsticks or massage oil as evidence of drug use. These
ludicrous "findings" were completely removed thanks to you.
President Bush will sign this child abduction bill, which means the
RAVE Act will become law as well. We will be working with the
legislators who opposed this provision - such as Senators Durbin,
Kennedy and Leahy and Representatives Conyers and Scott - for its
repeal. In the meantime, however, it is up to all of us to be the
watchdogs of its enforcement.
Attorney General John Ashcroft will have to make decisions about its
enforcement priority among the many public safety issues the
Department of Justice handles. He must be held responsible when he
implements this scheme. We want him to know that he is not free to
shut down our dance clubs, our festivals and our freedoms. We will
be watching the activities of law enforcement and prosecutors, and we
will act when our rights are violated. You can help us by faxing
Attorney General Ashcroft here.
http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/...tep=2&item=1581
We thank our many partners in this effort for your hard work: EMEF,
ROAR, Buzzlife Productions, Davey D., electronic dance and music
organizations throughout the U.S., club owners, hotel organizations,
beverage and licensing groups, the ACLU and many, many others. But
most of all, I want to say thank you personally to our members and
supporters.
You truly deserve credit for reacting so quickly and so forcefully.
It has really been amazing. When Bill McColl, our Director of
National Affairs, told me about this issue last June he said that he
thought the RAVE Act would pass in about 2 weeks. You proved us
wrong. It took 10 months, a change in control of the Senate,
backroom maneuverings and substantial changes to the bill. I'm
proud of the hard work of our members, friends and our coalition.
Rest assured we will continue to work together to mobilize opposition
and advocate to fix this dangerous law.
Sincerely,
Ethan Nadelmann
Executive Director
Drug Policy Alliance
3 words: Bullsh$t! Bullsh$t! Bullsh$t!
now how will they call it ???
Operation Liberation of Young electronic music lovers 
poor USAs
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| Originally posted by RnakR now how will they call it ??? Operation Liberation of Young electronic music lovers poor USAs |
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| Originally posted by Trance_A_Holik so tru. so when does this bullshit go under affect? |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 As soon as Bush signs it, which I surmise he'll do so within the next few days or so. The Amber Alert Bill gave it so much weight that it was going to be easily passed. The question now is how will each state enforce this law? Potentially speaking, they could easily shut down every single dance club and/or RAVE across the country with the language of the Bill. My guess is it will have some impact on organized raves, but not so much on clubs. They will likely target clubs that are suspect and/or may be having problems in other areas like neighborhood disturbances, disorderly conducts, drinking and driving accidents, etc. But for the most part, I don't think it will effect too many clubs, provided they keep their shit clean. Harder security checks will take place, and better pat-downs will be more prevalent. Besides, there's still room for lawsuits from ACLU and other organizations when a wrongful shutdown and arrest occurs (and there most certainly will be one). Here's to hoping for the best. |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Illicit Drug Anti-
Proliferation Act (also called the "RAVE Act"), which was attached to
the AMBER Alert bill, passed both the House and Senate late yesterday
(April 10).
T.
Sadly, the RAVE Act was added to the AMBER Alert bill conference
report at the very last minute by Senator Biden (D-DE), its original
sponsor. The AMBER Alert bill creates a system for responding to
child abduction. It has nothing to do with drug policy. The RAVE
Act had not passed even a single committee in the House or Senate
this year. One senator's pet issue made a mockery of the Democratic
process - becoming law without any public hearing or opportunity for
input whatsoever.
[QOUTE]
what is this Amber alert. Is it the one were you see alerts on the highways in order to get citizens to keep their eyes open for possible criminals.
it seems that's the only reason it(rave act) was passed. since it was attached to this other bill. those tricky old bastards!!
damn their hides
holy shit.......i dont know what to do now HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLP!
From my local scene:
TO THE FRIENDS OF 1015 FOLSOM:
You may have seen a press release, issued by the ABC on
April 11, 2003, under the headline "ABC to Shut Down Well Known S.F.
Nightclub." The headline is false. Here is the reality of the situation.
THE ABC HAS NO ABILITY TO SHUT DOWN 1015 AND NO PRESENT ABILITY TO REVOKE OR
SUSPEND 1015'S LIQUOR LICENSE.
The ABC has simply filed an accusation in which it alleges
that 1015 engaged in certain actions which, if proven at a hearing before an
administrative law judge, could allow the judge, at most, to revoke or
suspend 1015's liquor license. 1015 believes it will receive a favorable
decision from the administrative law judge, or from the court of appeal
should an appeal become necessary.
THE ABC'S ALLEGATIONS AGAINST 1015 ARE FALSE.
The ABC first alleges five incidents in which its
investigators were supposedly able to purchase ecstasy from employees of
1015. The five incidents involve only two persons, neither of whom has ever
been an employee or agent of 1015 or of any of the promoters that put on
events at 1015.
The ABC next alleges six incidents in which 1015 bartenders
supposedly "permitted" ecstasy sales at the club. What did the bartenders
actually do? According to the ABC's own report, an investigator would
approach a bartender and say "Do you know where I can get some ecstasy?" In
every case, the bartender said "No." The investigator would then disappear
into the crowd and seek to purchase a tablet of ecstasy from a customer. If
he succeeded, he would come back to the bartender -- who, the ABC admits,
had not witnessed the purchase -- and say "Well, I was able to get some
ecstasy." Apparently, the ABC is contending that the bartender can be
deemed to have "permitted" the ecstasy purchase because he did not have the
ABC investigator arrested in response to the investigator's statements.
That is simply not the law.
SAFETY PROCEDURES EMPLOYED AT 1015 ARE MANDATED BY COURT ORDER AND CANNOT BE
DEEMED EVIDENCE THAT 1015 ENCOURAGES OR ACCEPTS DRUG USE AT THE CLUB.
Finally, the ABC suggests that certain safety procedures
employed by 1015 -- EMT's on site, free water, a cool-down room -- are
"evidence" that 1015 encourages or accepts drug use at the club. The ABC
ignores the fact that all of those procedures are mandated by court order,
in accordance with a stipulated injunction entered into by 1015 and the City
and County of San Francisco three years ago. The City and County of San
Francisco insisted on those procedures, and 1015 agreed to them, because
they understood -- as the ABC apparently does not -- that even the most
rigorous procedures to keep drugs out of a club cannot totally eliminate the
possibility that some patrons may experience medical problems, whether
related to drug use or to the mere fact of dancing for hours in a crowded
room. It is sadly ironic that the very steps taken by 1015 to protect its
patrons and to comply with the law are now being cited by the ABC as
"evidence" that 1015 -- the only club in San Francisco that carries out
rigorous patron searches and that arrests anyone found with drugs -- is
somehow encouraging or accepting drug use at the club.
1015 WILL FIGHT THESE SPECIOUS CHARGES AND ASKS FOR YOUR CONTINUING
PATRONAGE AND SUPPORT.
1015 will do everything it can, at the administrative level
and, if necessary, at the judicial level, to show that the ABC's charges are
completely specious and that no discipline should be imposed against 1015's
liquor license. We ask that you continue to support 1015 by coming to the
club to dance -- we will be open, at the usual times, for the indefinite
future -- and by letting people know that you oppose the ABC's efforts to
drive 1015 out of business.
Thank you.
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| Originally posted by deejay2002 holy shit.......i dont know what to do now HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLP! |
Fucked up.
RAVE Act = .... no wait... not enuff...
watching our freedoms crumble
This bill is one stain, among many, as of late, of our countries civil rights record. It is scary, as it leaves the gov't to single out *edit* and */edit* discriminate against activities it does not care for, and in this case apparently, "raves".
The way this bill passed is bullshit and it makes our 'system' look like one big joke, it was shot down last time with fierce opposition, so the plan now??? put it on as a rider on some 'unbreakable' bill such as "amber-alert" that piece of shit Senator Biden should rot in hell for this... overreacting ??? maybe, justified? definetely
Man that sux, whats the next course of action to fight it?
getting it repealed, i am not aware of the steps unfortunately. but DPA says they are going to start a repeal campaign very soon IIRC from the msg they sent everyone that is registered there
alot of you here don't seem to know what you are talking about.
Why don't you 
Read the bill so you know what the hell your talking about. If the bill gets all the drug dealers out of the venues, I'll be happy.
uhh, this isn't going to move the pushers anywhere, it might increase their risk, but i don't think it will stop them, however, it does put blame on the OWNER of the venue if people are found with drugs there, how messed is that?
Just goes to show how the government trys to control shit.
Dose this mean no more WMC ?? 
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