without a kick, can a song still be called trance?

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Posted by Peter K on Aug-31-2003 03:15:

without a kick, can a song still be called trance?

eg..AVB- Burend with Desire

Posted by EriK_V on Aug-31-2003 03:17:

i say yes

Posted by Psionic on Aug-31-2003 03:33:

I'd say the original is sorta chill-out. Rising Star Mix is definitely trance.

Posted by capricorn15 on Aug-31-2003 03:37:

Re: without a kick, can a song still be called trance?

quote:
Originally posted by teknoking
eg..AVB- Burend with Desire

thats not trance, but i guess you can call it whatever you want

Posted by Elmo-On-XTC on Aug-31-2003 04:01:

I'd say it can.

if it has a 4/4 than it could be melodic/epic/dark etc trance
if it has a breakbeat @ 120-140 bpm then it could be trancey breaks
if it has a breakbeat @ 150+ it could be liquid dnb (trance & bass) trance
if it has no beat at all...i dont think it would be the same trance that we know and love here because trance is a dance genre...but doesn't mean it can't be trancy

note: there obvoiusly has to be a trance melody/synth in order for those to apply

Posted by venomdx on Aug-31-2003 04:23:

Junk Project - Composure (Original)

Is this not trance?

Posted by J-LoOks on Aug-31-2003 05:48:

eemmm.... i think its emotional melodic trance but thats my opinion i dunno if you can call it pure trance though but all in all its a FARKEN WIKID tune.

"but you left me in the rain " amazing!!!

Posted by capricorn15 on Aug-31-2003 05:49:

quote:
Originally posted by venomdx
Junk Project - Composure (Original)

Is this not trance?

yes it is not trance

Posted by j�c� on Aug-31-2003 06:37:

of course
there are no set rules to what trance is

Posted by TranceGiant on Aug-31-2003 09:25:

Ambient is the word you're looking for.

Posted by capricorn15 on Aug-31-2003 09:30:

quote:
Originally posted by j�c�
of course
there are no set rules to what trance is

haha

Posted by Psionic on Aug-31-2003 12:56:

Well you can't consider it trance just because the producer generally spins trance.

Posted by m0sh on Aug-31-2003 13:00:

It all based on a 4/4 beat so ... NO

Cheers ,

/m0sh

Posted by Peter K on Sep-13-2003 08:54:

yeh

Posted by Robert on Sep-13-2003 10:05:

quote:
Originally posted by MoSH_MaN
It all based on a 4/4 beat so ... NO

Cheers ,

/m0sh

what about a 3/3 beat?

Posted by TOR on Sep-13-2003 10:15:

3/3 is a measure that does not exist

Posted by Nightflowers on Sep-13-2003 10:24:

quote:
Originally posted by tor8024
3/3 is a measure that does not exist

I think he means 3/4 like Hypetraxx - The darkside

Posted by Robert on Sep-13-2003 10:27:

3/3 BEAT RECORD by ATTACK
Attack is a production by L-Vee together with his friend Patrick Scaillet. Stepping away from the classic 4/4 beat this is a 3/3 beat or triplet beat record. A hardtrance club stomper.

www.bonzaimusic.com

Posted by TOR on Sep-13-2003 10:29:

^^ noticed that too, it is not correct..

Posted by Cobalt on Sep-13-2003 11:29:

I don't think that Composure (Original) and Burned With Desire (Original) qualify as trance. More like chilled electronica.

Posted by netw3rkd on Sep-13-2003 14:53:

Yes it can. There is no written 'rule' that says trance songs MUST have a kick to be classified in that genre. Take the word trance, what does it mean? It means the following:

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Detachment from one's physical surroundings, as in contemplation or daydreaming.
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Now, if a song can put you into a trance, why not classify it as that? Other songs use kicks, but they aren't classified as trance. Trance is NOT based on a 4/4 based kick. If it were, it would be quite boring wouldnt it? Hearing the same 4/4 kick in every tune. Think chill out / ambient, its a type of trance music, even though some may not agree. So basically, a tune can have no kick, and still be considered trance music, even though the majority would consider it chill out or ambient music.

Posted by starglider on Sep-13-2003 15:03:

quote:
Originally posted by netw3rkd
Yes it can. There is no written 'rule' that says trance songs MUST have a kick to be classified in that genre. Take the word trance, what does it mean? It means the following:

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Detachment from one's physical surroundings, as in contemplation or daydreaming.
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Now, if a song can put you into a trance, why not classify it as that? Other songs use kicks, but they aren't classified as trance. Trance is NOT based on a 4/4 based kick. If it were, it would be quite boring wouldnt it? Hearing the same 4/4 kick in every tune. Think chill out / ambient, its a type of trance music, even though some may not agree. So basically, a tune can have no kick, and still be considered trance music, even though the majority would consider it chill out or ambient music.

Yes, and the word house means "A structure serving as a dwelling for one or more persons, especially for a family." So is that what house music sounds like? What relevance does that have? Absolutely none. Having said that, I think there is some largely beatless music you could classify as trance for lack of a better term. Lots of "chillout" is based on trance tunes and thus doesn't really fall under any other category. Call it ambient trance if you like? Still, most stuff we call chillout has breakbeat components and should probably be called breaks before anything else. Also, "chillout" is not equivalent to ambient and real ambient is most definitely not trance.

Posted by netw3rkd on Sep-13-2003 15:50:

Yes, but the word house music has a whole different meaning. Read some music history then post when you find out what the house music genre is about.

Posted by Fast Turtle on Sep-13-2003 15:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Robert
3/3 BEAT RECORD by ATTACK
Attack is a production by L-Vee together with his friend Patrick Scaillet. Stepping away from the classic 4/4 beat this is a 3/3 beat or triplet beat record. A hardtrance club stomper.

www.bonzaimusic.com

Three beats per measure with each note being 1/3? Huh? I think they meant 3/4. And I think it's only considered a triplet if you use 3/4 notes in the context of a 4/4 song.

Yes, you need kicks every quarter note at some point in the song to be trance. That's pretty much the only rule there is, as well as a standard bpm of roughly 130-150 bpm.

It's like if you produce rock music without guitars and drums, is it really considered rock music anymore...? It is most likely within another different genre/generalization.

Posted by starglider on Sep-13-2003 17:05:

quote:
Originally posted by netw3rkd
Yes, but the word house music has a whole different meaning. Read some music history then post when you find out what the house music genre is about.

Music history has nothing to do with it. Music that puts you into a trance, ie, a "detachment from one's physical surroundings, as in contemplation or daydreaming" is not trance music by definition. Any music can detach one from one's physical surroundings.

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